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| Danubian Union Discussion | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 27 2007, 03:43 PM (449 Views) | |
| lebowski2123 | Nov 27 2007, 03:43 PM Post #1 |
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Recently the treaty recieved this message from a Hungarian representative:
What are the thoughts of both members and observers alike? Germany believes that, although noble in intention, this "Danubian Union" holds little practical power and will only serve as a harmful voice of democracy. Already they have proved themselves belligerent and pompous, two qualities which should be condemned rather then encouraged. However, if the treaty were to reject them in full then they might have no choice but to drift under the protection of such an organization as JAUST, which would greatly endanger the peace in Europe which we wish to uphold. - German Representative Hanz Grobel |
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| Kasnyia | Nov 27 2007, 05:06 PM Post #2 |
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"Even if they were to apply to JAUST, I assure you JAUST would not accept them. There is no need to fear that. However, that said, as an Observer, I must note that if the Treaty does not put them under their wing and teach them the finer attributes of statesmanship, a rogue European power such as Andorra could gain even more influence with them than they already do. I do believe it is something one should consider, especially since the Andorrans are hostile to the Treaty." |
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| Quaon | Nov 27 2007, 06:31 PM Post #3 |
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The Danubian Union is a threat. The Konigsberg Treaty is, at the moment, the European power. We are composed of some of the greatest nations in the world. Together, the powers of western Europe and the powers of Eastern Europe could easily dominate the world. Normally, I would advise simply to ignore the Union. However, the recent rise to prominence of Andorra makes it too hard to ignore. If the Danubian Union does not ally with us, it surely will ally with the Iberian superpowers, and that is unacceptable. We have two choices before us. The first is to crush the Danubian Union in every sense of the word. Its economy must bleed dry. Our armies must control her territories. If we are to pursue that option, we must do so immediately, before the Danubian Union gains real political power. We would have to bury them. Our other option is to bring the Danubian Union under our wing. It is quite likely that we will eventually face a conflict with Andorra unless action is immediately taken to brng ourselves closer to that Iberian state, and by that I mean their anti-monarchist policies must end, by any means neccesary, but I digress. If Danube does not come under our wing, when that war does inevitably come, we will face nothing but adversity from the Union. Iberia is farther west than any of our nation's borders, therefore, we could probably easily isolate that threat in event of war. However, if the Danubian Union were to join with Andorra, they would be able to strike Germany and Quaon with great ease. It is up to us to decide whether we will crush this treaty or befriend it. Personally, I believe that the latter option is much more efficient. Comrade Vladimer Zubkov Ambassador to the Konigsberg Treaty on behalf of the Communist Republic |
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| Rhadamanthus | Nov 27 2007, 06:40 PM Post #4 |
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OOC: As Hispania is an observor in this Treaty Organization, is it really appropriate to cite them as a potential threat in your speech? I mean of course you may do so, but it doesn't seem like a good idea, and I don't want to see you getting caught up in unintended results. |
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| Kasnyia | Nov 27 2007, 06:57 PM Post #5 |
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OOC- Also, Quaon, being communist is against anti-monarchists? :huh: :lol: |
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| Quaon | Nov 27 2007, 07:05 PM Post #6 |
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OOC: Quaon is pro-monarchist insofar as its beneficial to them. They couldn't honestly give a shit about exporting their ideology. And I edited that Hispania related comment. |
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| NRE | Nov 29 2007, 03:29 PM Post #7 |
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Russia shares the concerns of most of the members of this organization however we don't fully believe the level of threat that this Union nor Iberia are said to represent. We agree that Andorra is a nation to be watches as we suggested our allies do during the time of the Andorra-Hispania conflict. However, Russia has gained a new understand with the nation of Hispania and view them as allies or to the very least as a nation to whom we can carry on civilized and rational negotiations with. Due to this new degree of understand, coupled with ourselves operating a military installation in Iberia, we cannot whole believe that Andorra alone can pose such a said threat. Ideology is Andorra's biggest weapon in the eyes of Russia and so long as nations such as ourselves continue to enjoy the majority of the power in Europe, democracy will never pose a threat. As for the Union, they are composed of three nations that Russia does not take lightly but on the same hand, does not believe is a serious threat at this time. Most are geographically disconnected and surrounded by members of this very organization. Should they rise to prominence Russia cannot fathom that they would do so without this organization still possessing the power to subdue any threat they may place on us. In simplest of terms, Russia does not want the policy of this organization to be that of taking any every rogue nation that could pose a threat to us. We cannot become so large that we risk collapsing from the weight of our own power. Should we continue to watch the Union yes, should we risk JAUST taking them under their wing, well what proof do we have that they will? We cannot assume that they will simply fall into JAUST hands or that JAUST will so eagerly accept them. What we suggest is to reject any full admission to this organization and instead encourage member nations to become private allies of the Union nations, ensuring their protection while limiting their rights in this organization's matters. -Russian Delegate Aleksei Antropov |
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| Pascoag | Dec 3 2007, 12:20 AM Post #8 |
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"Pascoag agrees with Comrade Zubkov and the Kasnyian Observer. We should take these young nations under our wing before a rouge power gets to them first. Sure they're democatic now but in time under our teachings they will learn the finer points of the monarchies and will shed the lies of democracy. I say that they be admitted only as observers in need be. - Pascaogian Delegate Rodolph Francisque |
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| Kasnyia | Dec 3 2007, 12:33 AM Post #9 |
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It is unfortunate that they wish no relations with the Treaty, as they have just recently mentioned. It seems they wish to close the door before they have opened it. -Kasnyian Observer |
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| Union | Dec 3 2007, 12:57 PM Post #10 |
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Hispania at this time sees no threat with the Danubian Union. They have no real power, only claims, and we find it unlikely that the Andorran state would delibrately seek an alliance with the Union, as that would only endanger the situation in Iberia, something we feel is of importance to the Andorran people. While the Danubian Union should be observed quietly, real action should be held off until a real threat is determined. A pre-emptive strike would do more harm to good, perhaps catalyzing an alliance between Andorra and the Danubian Union. |
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| Kasnyia | Dec 3 2007, 02:08 PM Post #11 |
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Be wary of Andorra attempting to use such a fate to persuade Iberia. They'e vitriol proves that they are not to be trusted. |
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| Menhad | Dec 4 2007, 06:13 PM Post #12 |
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OOC: I know I not a Member yet but hopefully people will revote once they see this. IC: As well know the nation of Andorra has allways been viewed as a enemy to the Treaty of Konigsberg, and her policies are the destruction of all non-republics in the world. Recently Andorra has signed a treaty with Çerdoné and Harkeburg. We need to increase the size and power of the Treaty of Konigsberg or damage the Madrid Pact as it has been called. Seeing this we believe that the Danubian Union should be brought into alliance with the Treaty of Konigsberg and be allowed to grow under the Treaty of Konigsberg.-Menhadien delagate to the Treaty of Konigsberg, Iain Wallace. |
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| Union | Dec 4 2007, 06:21 PM Post #13 |
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We are all forgetting that the Madrid Pact is a much clearer danger than the Danubian Union. The powers of Andorra and Cerdone have shown they are ideolouges, unwilling to compromise on their radical philosophies. |
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| Kasnyia | Dec 7 2007, 02:52 PM Post #14 |
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OOC- There is another thread for that. Technically because your nation has no status in ToK, it can't speak IC to it...though OOC is of course fine. :) |
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| Kasnyia | Dec 7 2007, 03:01 PM Post #15 |
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Hold on, I'll PM you and help you out...just a sec... |
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| Quaon | Dec 7 2007, 04:06 PM Post #16 |
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It has become clear to the Quaonion government that the Danubian Union must be swiftly put down. Its actions become more ridicolous by the day, and yet it grows in power. We must put the alliance down before it can become a true threat. Comrade Vladimer Zubkov Ambassador to the Treaty of Konigsberg |
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| Kasnyia | Dec 7 2007, 04:22 PM Post #17 |
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A better solution would be to change their leadership rather than fight an otherwise unnecessary war. -The Kasnyian Observer |
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| Polish Federation | Dec 8 2007, 10:46 AM Post #18 |
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" The Prussian Government will support any movements by our Allies, and is naturally in support of any resolution that is made concerning this matter. Should war come, Prussia will assist. Democracy is a needed thing in these times, but the Danubian Union holds no practical power. Radicalism is an enemy we must all defeat, and even though I will support our German Allies in Konigsberg, I suggest we settle to more important issues such as Cerdone and other Radical states instead of the Danubian Union." -- Oskar von Kesselring |
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