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Micronations
Topic Started: Nov 12 2007, 05:32 PM (222 Views)
Quaon
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Anyone have any micro-nations within their nation? Any Sealands? Vague seccesionist movements in a town with a population of twenty? Internet fads?

If so, post here, because I'm curious.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Nope. Nag Ehgoeg has always espoused strong (democractically elected) local government - to the point that certain Government Sectors in Nag Ehgoeg are run by Muslim extremists ready to put you to death for promiscuity whereas most of Nag Ehgoeg is a "moralless hovel of filth and depravity".

Because of this strong local government (who basically have free reign to rule how they see fit as long as they remain part of Nag Ehgoeg) there's no need for any town to seek seccesion. And because if the Sectors did try to secceed it'd be the end of Nag Ehgoeg, attempting to form a micro-nation or the like is counted as treason and dealt with appropriately.

And all this coming from me: player of NationStates, citizen of The Kingdom of Lovely.
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Kasnyia
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Cologne obviously has special status as both an autonomous/semi-independant territory as well as status as a key Kasnyian province.

Some within Kasnyia (who knows, maybe OOC as well) consider Alexanderhaven to be a glorified micronational secessionist movement of the old school Royalists.

Casinstadt, the former Royal capital of Kasnyia, is often a target of sesessionist movements, though none ever come to fruition due to its proximity to Guranburg.

The ZEMEI Jupiter Reactor Complex and Zanzibar Gun in the East Ziyer District (the only one actually in Kasnyian territory) along with the adjacent town, are under ZEMEI jurisdiction by charter of the Emperor, which only applies to Jupiter Complex. The other complexes, being in other countries, are subject to local law as well as considered Kasnyian national property for diplomatic reasons.

Some fear Warden Schausberg's personality cult in the Sao Tome Prison to be the early beginnings of some sort of secessionist movement, though its due more to the fear of Schausberg amongst locals in Ziyer than any real reason.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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At this stage I'm wondering if UK and US definitions of micronation are the same...

'Cause over here there's a subtle difference between secessionists and micronations. The understanding I have of micronations is that they're (basically) not real: as in, "nations" which exist but have no international recognition. That is to say, if I declared myself Regent Supremus of Nag Ehgoeg IRL and claimed my bedroom as the Soveriegn territory of Nag Ehgoeg then that would be a micronation.

Secessionist movements are altogether more serious. Like how Scotland and Qubec would love to be independant (but don't have the cojoles to seperate from the motherland). Secessionistism is a long, drawn out, lego-poltical process.

Forming a micronation is something any idiot can do with half an hour's work.

So... Quebec - not a micronation. Kingdom of Lovely - micronation.

Of course, I could be wrong here. It's Quaon's thread, so I guess he defines.
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Paradise
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Indeed. Quebec is a stateless nation, not a micronation.
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Quaon
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Nag Ehgoeg
Nov 12 2007, 08:18 PM
At this stage I'm wondering if UK and US definitions of micronation are the same...

'Cause over here there's a subtle difference between secessionists and micronations. The understanding I have of micronations is that they're (basically) not real: as in, "nations" which exist but have no international recognition. That is to say, if I declared myself Regent Supremus of Nag Ehgoeg IRL and claimed my bedroom as the Soveriegn territory of Nag Ehgoeg then that would be a micronation.

Secessionist movements are altogether more serious. Like how Scotland and Qubec would love to be independant (but don't have the cojoles to seperate from the motherland). Secessionistism is a long, drawn out, lego-poltical process.

Forming a micronation is something any idiot can do with half an hour's work.

So... Quebec - not a micronation. Kingdom of Lovely - micronation.

Of course, I could be wrong here. It's Quaon's thread, so I guess he defines.

I'm reffering to a micro-nation as in the Kingdom of Lovely, or, in a realer sense, Hutt River Province or Sealand.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Quaon
Nov 12 2007, 08:22 PM
I'm reffering to a micro-nation as in the Kingdom of Lovely, or, in a realer sense, Hutt River Province or Sealand.

In my opinion, Lovely is more real than Sealand (seriously, you'd have to be mad to recognise that as a real nation - it was for SALE last I heard). I don't know anything about the Hutt River Province.

So I guess I stand by my previous post.

Real sucession and independant states are a very different things to micronations.
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Kasnyia
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Closest thing I have to that then would be the many attempts to establish a new nation in the ruins of Casinstadt.
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lebowski2123
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The Teutonic Knights hold complete control over a region of western Germany, officially sponsored by the state.
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lebowski2123
Nov 12 2007, 09:41 PM
The Teutonic Knights hold complete control over a region of western Germany, officially sponsored by the state.

That's just pragmatic, and wait till we get a real pope again. :lol: :lol:
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Comrade Queen
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For some time during the period of Krildahd Voramix and Jorzo Mafil, Western Scythirus was something of a micro-nation. That was all changed when Hirak-Al Voramix was able to seize the throne and everything became more unified.

As it stands, the only micro-nation I have is Diablo Mountain in El Dejarbo.
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NRE
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Well technically, each state of the Seceded South is in it's own right, a micronation. The only reason they support an recognized the national government, is for the purpose of defense but that's about it. They could seceded and become their own nation if they wished since each is governed by it's own legislative body body.
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Kasnyia
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Thats more like an autonomous province then no? :huh:
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Kasnyia
Nov 17 2007, 09:43 AM
Thats more like an autonomous province then no? :huh:

Not really. An autonomous province has a high degree of self-government that derives from the central authority. In such case the central government is still vested with sovereignty. A confederation like the seceded south is different because sovereignty is vested in the individual member states, who pool their resources and sovereignty together for the purpose of defense. (In theory the USA according to the constitution exists on a similar principle, but with more functions pooled together though still a large number reserved to the states; in reality its quite different)

I think though that the states in the Seceded South are too substantial to be considered micronations.
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Kasnyia
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Hence the point of my post...
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