Kasnyia

 

Twas another joke, TC. Hence the smiles. Why must you debate something that isn't meant to be any sort of true claim? :rolleyes:  :huh: 

Scythirus

Nov 12 2007, 07:41 PM

He's a Demopublican. Notice how he was right in that clusterfuck? He'll only hold the interests of the Demopublican Party.

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.......Riiiiiiight.

First off, everything I said in my previous post was accurate. The Koran clearly instructs Muslims to either forceably convert or kill anyone not like them. We also wouldn't be forced to "meddle" in their international affairs if they wren't an oppresive, aggresive, Islamic extremist theocracy hell bent on attacking western civilization for the reason I've previously stated.

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None of anything in your post is accurate. And we meddle because we, like TC stated, want their oil. If we cared anything at all about their so-called "oppressive policies," we would have made war on Saudi Arabia a long time ago, because Saudi Arabia treats it people like utter shit. Iran is actually one of the most socially progressive nations in the Middle East. Seriously... oil is the only true reason why the U.S. does anything in that region of the world.

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Hezbollah is based in Lebanon, not Iran. It only follows philosophies of an Iranian Ayatollah.

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And despite all of the U.N. resolutions against Iran, it possesses no actual proof of nuclear arms in Iran. None! If you can some how drag up a physical, existing, and functioning Irani nuke, I will believe you. But as it stands, the official Irani nuclear program only has nuclear power plants on the agenda.

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If you believe us wanting their oil was the only reason we liberated Iraq, you are indeed another tin foil hat wearing liberal, oil was one of many reasons.

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Who's to say we don't plan on liberating Suadi Arabia eventually too? We probably will seeing as they also have alot of oil and habor and fund terrorism.

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The Iranian governments still treats women like shit, bares them from the most basic human rights, and the government still conitnues to imprison or execute all opposition it can get its hands on. You have just proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you know next to nothing about Iran.

Quaon

Dec 2 2007, 03:13 PM

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.......Riiiiiiight.

First off, everything I said in my previous post was accurate. The Koran clearly instructs Muslims to either forceably convert or kill anyone not like them. We also wouldn't be forced to "meddle" in their international affairs if they wren't an oppresive, aggresive, Islamic extremist theocracy hell bent on attacking western civilization for the reason I've previously stated.

The Bible clearly instructs Jews/Christians to stone women who doo not cry out when being raped and Exodus clearly shows God killing non-Jewish children.

Furthermore, your reasoning is circular. Iran was not radical until the Shah, a US backed dictator, was overthrown (and really, civil rights in Iran are pretty good compared to the Saudis). Iraq never was a radical Islamic extremist theocracy; it was a secular military junta that had no reason to attack the US. Afghanistan only radicalized after invasion by the Soviets, and the radical forces, Bin Laden included, were financed by the CIA.

I don't care for everything in Mr. Paul's domestic policy. What I want him to do is exist as an ineffective blocker against wasteful spending, stopping our debt from getting even higher. We cannot afford our Empire, and congress does not understand that or does not care.

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The Bible clearly instructs Jews/Christians to stone women who doo not cry out when being raped and Exodus clearly shows God killing non-Jewish children.

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Furthermore, your reasoning is circular. Iran was not radical until the Shah, a US backed dictator, was overthrown (and really, civil rights in Iran are pretty good compared to the Saudis). Iraq never was a radical Islamic extremist theocracy; it was a secular military junta that had no reason to attack the US. Afghanistan only radicalized after invasion by the Soviets, and the radical forces, Bin Laden included, were financed by the CIA.

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You're right, now do you know what one of the biggest differences between Christianity and Islam is? Christianity has evovled with time and the vast majority of Christians no longer take the Bible literally. Islam has not, and too many Muslims today still try to take the worst parts of the Koran literally.

The Holy Empire of Racaria

Dec 2 2007, 03:40 PM

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None of anything in your post is accurate. And we meddle because we, like TC stated, want their oil. If we cared anything at all about their so-called "oppressive policies," we would have made war on Saudi Arabia a long time ago, because Saudi Arabia treats it people like utter shit. Iran is actually one of the most socially progressive nations in the Middle East. Seriously... oil is the only true reason why the U.S. does anything in that region of the world.

If you believe us wanting their oil was the only reason we liberated Iraq, you are indeed another tin foil hat wearing liberal, oil was one of many reasons. Who's to say we don't plan on liberating Suadi Arabia eventually too? We probably will seeing as they also have alot of oil and habor and fund terrorism. The Iranian governments still treats women like shit, bares them from the most basic human rights, and the government still conitnues to imprison or execute all opposition it can get its hands on. You have just proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you know next to nothing about Iran.

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Hezbollah is based in Lebanon, not Iran. It only follows philosophies of an Iranian Ayatollah.

Again, it has long been proven that the Iranian government is funding, training, and equiping Hezbollah and orgs. like it in their camps in southwest Iran.

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And despite all of the U.N. resolutions against Iran, it possesses no actual proof of nuclear arms in Iran. None! If you can some how drag up a physical, existing, and functioning Irani nuke, I will believe you. But as it stands, the official Irani nuclear program only has nuclear power plants on the agenda.

Wow, you sound just as ingorant and arrogant as a member of the Iranian government themselves. Yet more proof is Iran's constant refusal to allow U.N. weapons inspectors to enter and investigate for themselves. Again, please take the tinfoil hat off, you're embarassing yourself.

You continue to embarass yourself by resorting to name calling because you obviously can't scrape up anymore bullshit facts, just like a typical leftist.

I advise you to just stop this now, you sound like Ahmadinejad when he denies the Holocaust ever happend.

Quaon

Dec 2 2007, 03:58 PM

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You're right, now do you know what one of the biggest differences between Christianity and Islam is? Christianity has evovled with time and the vast majority of Christians no longer take the Bible literally. Islam has not, and too many Muslims today still try to take the worst parts of the Koran literally.

This is not true. The radicalization of Islam has nothing to do with the evolution of Islam, as can be evidenced by the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans were not radical as we would think of today; they did not commit terrorist attacks against non-Muslims (though, they of course did genocide several people, but that really was the nationalist Young Turks' fault, not Islams').

The radicalization of Islam has occured because of Pan-Arabism, which has occured due to western intervention. Islam simply happens to be a cultural mainstay of the Middle East, resulting it in being a rallying cry for the terrorists who wish to target the west. If Christianity was dominant in the Middle East, Osama Bin Laden would be fighting a Crusade.

I am not a terrorist apologist. I fully believe that Osama and his followers are the scum of the Earth who ought to be hunted down. However, I believe that our continued presence in the Middle East will only cause more 9/11s to occur. We cannot have victory in the Middle East. We have to realize this and get the hell out.

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This is not true. The radicalization of Islam has nothing to do with the evolution of Islam, as can be evidenced by the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans were not radical as we would think of today; they did not commit terrorist attacks against non-Muslims (though, they of course did genocide several people, but that really was the nationalist Young Turks' fault, not Islams').

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I am not a terrorist apologist. I fully believe that Osama and his followers are the scum of the Earth who ought to be hunted down. However, I believe that our continued presence in the Middle East will only cause more 9/11s to occur. We cannot have victory in the Middle East. We have to realize this and get the hell out.

The Holy Empire of Racaria

Dec 2 2007, 04:20 PM

Nothing as anything to do with the evolution of Islam as it has not evolved really at all in my opinion.  They still sever hands as a punishment for stealing, still force their women to walk around looking like bee keepers, and giving them near slave status to their husbands.  They did all this back in the 5th century, and they still do it today.

The Holy Empire of Racaria

 

You're right, now do you know what one of the biggest differences between Christianity and Islam is? Christianity has evovled with time and the vast majority of Christians no longer take the Bible literally. Islam has not, and too many Muslims today still try to take the worst parts of the Koran literally.

The Holy Empire of Racaria

 

You're right again.  I question the original reasons why we went into Iraq but we're there now and we must make it work.  If Saddam had cooperated with the U.N. inspections, resolutions, or even President Bush's last minute ultimatum, there wouldn't have been an Iraq conflict. 

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Nothing as anything to do with the evolution of Islam as it has not evolved really at all in my opinion. They still sever hands as a punishment for stealing, still force their women to walk around looking like bee keepers, and giving them near slave status to their husbands. They did all this back in the 5th century, and they still do it today.

Whereas Christians don't stone adulterers, homos, or atheists in public anymore. Some branches of Christianity have embraced fellow Christians who happen to be homo as their brothers and sisters, finally. There are more examples but meh, I think I've made my point.

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You know you just contradicted yourself right. We obviously won't be able to hunt U.B.L. and his ilk down if we run away from the Middle East with our tails between our legs. If we retreat and hide behind our borders, orgs. like Al-Qaida will only continue to arm, equip, and prepare themselves for more attacks against us. What in the world makes you think that isolationism will, in any way, benifit the U.S.A.?

Romanus Diogenes

Dec 2 2007, 05:22 PM

The Holy Empire of Racaria

Dec 2 2007, 04:20 PM

Nothing as anything to do with the evolution of Islam as it has not evolved really at all in my opinion.  They still sever hands as a punishment for stealing, still force their women to walk around looking like bee keepers, and giving them near slave status to their husbands.  They did all this back in the 5th century, and they still do it today.

Who is "they"? Is it the Saudis? The Iranians? The Malaysians? Is it the Sunni? The Shia? The Sufis? Islam isn't a monad.

By the way, I can guarantee that Muslims were not doing that in the fifth century. Islam didn't exist yet.

The Holy Empire of Racaria

Dec 2 2007, 05:27 PM

Romanus Diogenes

Dec 2 2007, 05:22 PM

The Holy Empire of Racaria

Dec 2 2007, 04:20 PM

Nothing as anything to do with the evolution of Islam as it has not evolved really at all in my opinion.  They still sever hands as a punishment for stealing, still force their women to walk around looking like bee keepers, and giving them near slave status to their husbands.  They did all this back in the 5th century, and they still do it today.

Who is "they"? Is it the Saudis? The Iranians? The Malaysians? Is it the Sunni? The Shia? The Sufis? Islam isn't a monad.

By the way, I can guarantee that Muslims were not doing that in the fifth century. Islam didn't exist yet.

Yes I did just throw a century out there that is my bad if that's wrong. My point stands tho that Muslims did that since Islam's inception and some Muslims still do it today. Namely Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Afghanistan.

The Holy Empire of Racaria

Dec 2 2007, 05:20 PM

You know you just contradicted yourself right.  We obviously won't be able to hunt U.B.L. and his ilk down if we run away from the Middle East with our tails between our legs.  If we retreat and hide behind our borders, orgs. like Al-Qaida will only continue to arm, equip, and prepare themselves for more attacks against us.  What in the world makes you think that isolationism will, in any way, benifit the U.S.A.?

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Again you show your blinding ignorance. The reason Saddam was so obsessed with the idea of owning WMDs was because he was afraid of being attacked - by Iran!

The Holy Empire of Racaria

Dec 2 2007, 04:27 PM

Romanus Diogenes

Dec 2 2007, 05:22 PM

The Holy Empire of Racaria

Dec 2 2007, 04:20 PM

Nothing as anything to do with the evolution of Islam as it has not evolved really at all in my opinion.  They still sever hands as a punishment for stealing, still force their women to walk around looking like bee keepers, and giving them near slave status to their husbands.  They did all this back in the 5th century, and they still do it today.

Who is "they"? Is it the Saudis? The Iranians? The Malaysians? Is it the Sunni? The Shia? The Sufis? Islam isn't a monad.

By the way, I can guarantee that Muslims were not doing that in the fifth century. Islam didn't exist yet.

Yes I did just throw a century out there that is my bad if that's wrong. My point stands tho that Muslims did that since Islam's inception and some Muslims still do it today. Namely Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Afghanistan.

Kasnyia

Dec 2 2007, 05:40 PM

We lost our priorities in this war the moment Bush went after Saddam.

The Holy Empire of Racaria

Dec 2 2007, 04:41 PM

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Again you show your blinding ignorance. The reason Saddam was so obsessed with the idea of owning WMDs was because he was afraid of being attacked - by Iran!

This is the only part of that silly post of yours that merits a response. Regardless of who he was trying to protect himself from by developing them, Saddam Hussein's Iraq was an oppresive, rogue state who could obviously not have been trusted with WMDs. The fact remains, we would very likely NOT have gone in if Saddam had agreed to U.N. inspections and obeyed the many U.N. resolutions passed against him.

The U.N. also shares the blame as they are pathetically unable to enforce their own resolutions, don't even get me started.

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We lost our priorities in this war the moment Bush went after Saddam.