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Political survey; Where do you stand?
Topic Started: Nov 9 2007, 11:40 PM (3,114 Views)
The Holy Empire of Racaria
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Tristan da Cunha
Dec 1 2007, 11:40 PM
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Dec 1 2007, 11:25 PM
Tristan da Cunha
Dec 1 2007, 11:19 PM
QUestion for you: why do you think "Islamofascists" and Iran want to attack us? Why do they hate us?

Have you ever heard Imadenamja-whatever his name is talk? Ever? How many "death to America" rallys over there do you need to see?

They have nukes, their president is insane. He's a flaming anti-semite, who is actively funding and equiping the terrorists in Iraq. We're already engaged in a proxy war with Iran.

But to answer your question directly, they hate us because we're not like them, an oppresive, sexist, Islamic theocracy.

Wow, that is horrifically ignorant.

Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and Iran had always hated each other. It would take some horrifically ignorant policies to make three mortal enemies attack the same country at the same time. Lo and behold, the United States succeeded in doing just that.

Please, Racaria, do not contribute to this stupid state of affairs.

The ONLY reason Iran hates us is because we are interfering in the Middle East. They DON'T CARE if we aren't an Islamic theocracy. Even if we became the world's first All-Homosexual, All-Atheist, All-Lesbian country, if we simply pulled out of the Middle East, Iran would not hate us, and they wouldn't be pursuing nukes to defend themselves against us, the United States.

Now, why did we get into Iran in the first place? Because we wanted their oil. A perfectly legitimate reason to be there. But we fucked it up - instead of dealing with their leaders like civilized people, we took over their country, assassinated their Prime Minister, and installed a dictator back in the 1950s. Furthermore we are helping out Israel piss off the Middle East too. Iran has perfect reason to hate the United States! Wouldn't you hate the United States if the good ol' USA took over your country, killed your leaders, and impose a dictator over you?

How can we undo our stupid actions of the past? We can at least make some progress by withdrawing our one-way friendship with Israel, withdrawing from Iraq, and start WORKING with Iran instead threatening to attack them.

LOL there's no way you actually believe that bullshit, I refer you to my most recent post to Scythirus.

They hate us, they want war with us, it only takes a couple minutes of listening to their insane leader to clearly understand this.

Appeasing scum like this isn't the way to go man.
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The Holy Empire of Racaria
Dec 1 2007, 11:50 PM
Tristan da Cunha
Dec 1 2007, 11:40 PM
The Holy Empire of Racaria
Dec 1 2007, 11:25 PM
Tristan da Cunha
Dec 1 2007, 11:19 PM
QUestion for you: why do you think "Islamofascists" and Iran want to attack us? Why do they hate us?

Have you ever heard Imadenamja-whatever his name is talk? Ever? How many "death to America" rallys over there do you need to see?

They have nukes, their president is insane. He's a flaming anti-semite, who is actively funding and equiping the terrorists in Iraq. We're already engaged in a proxy war with Iran.

But to answer your question directly, they hate us because we're not like them, an oppresive, sexist, Islamic theocracy.

Wow, that is horrifically ignorant.

Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and Iran had always hated each other. It would take some horrifically ignorant policies to make three mortal enemies attack the same country at the same time. Lo and behold, the United States succeeded in doing just that.

Please, Racaria, do not contribute to this stupid state of affairs.

The ONLY reason Iran hates us is because we are interfering in the Middle East. They DON'T CARE if we aren't an Islamic theocracy. Even if we became the world's first All-Homosexual, All-Atheist, All-Lesbian country, if we simply pulled out of the Middle East, Iran would not hate us, and they wouldn't be pursuing nukes to defend themselves against us, the United States.

Now, why did we get into Iran in the first place? Because we wanted their oil. A perfectly legitimate reason to be there. But we fucked it up - instead of dealing with their leaders like civilized people, we took over their country, assassinated their Prime Minister, and installed a dictator back in the 1950s. Furthermore we are helping out Israel piss off the Middle East too. Iran has perfect reason to hate the United States! Wouldn't you hate the United States if the good ol' USA took over your country, killed your leaders, and impose a dictator over you?

How can we undo our stupid actions of the past? We can at least make some progress by withdrawing our one-way friendship with Israel, withdrawing from Iraq, and start WORKING with Iran instead threatening to attack them.

LOL there's no way you actually believe that bullshit, I refer you to my most recent post to Scythirus.

They hate us, they want war with us, it only takes a couple minutes of listening to their insane leader to clearly understand this.

Appeasing scum like this isn't the way to go man.

The one who doesn't seem to understand as you.

First off, Ahmadinejad? Not too big a threat. He has no real say over the foriegn policy of Iran, first all. Study their political system. He can say anything he wants, nothing happens.

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Ahmadinejad's anti-Israel rhetoric and staunch stand on Iran's nuclear program are believed to have divided the conservatives who voted him into power. Some conservatives feel Ahmadinejad has spent too much time confronting the West and failed to deal with Iran's struggling economy.


Basically, Ahmadinejad has fucked up Iran, and the people are pissed, the council is pissed, and Komani is at wits end. In the next election cycle, Ahmadinejad is out. O-U-T. He don't mean shit, really.

Iran as a nation doesn't give a shit about the US, if the US would leave it alone. Seriously. They have their own culture, and the only thing they really hate is the American adittude towards their culture - that its worthless, and the best thing to do is open up a Starbucks on the next street corner.

Get out of the Middle East, get out of Israel. That's the best solution. Leave them to fuck themselves. While they do that, America has got to rebuild its economic independence. End globalization, and start bringing industry back to America. That'll give us a leg up in the next century when the US becomes the Chinese USSR.

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The Holy Empire of Racaria
Dec 1 2007, 09:47 PM
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Dec 1 2007, 11:36 PM
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Dec 1 2007, 09:25 PM
Tristan da Cunha
Dec 1 2007, 11:19 PM
QUestion for you: why do you think "Islamofascists" and Iran want to attack us? Why do they hate us?

Have you ever heard Imadenamja-whatever his name is talk? Ever? How many "death to America" rallys over there do you need to see?

They have nukes, their president is insane. He's a flaming anti-semite, who is actively funding and equiping the terrorists in Iraq. We're already engaged in a proxy war with Iran.

But to answer your question directly, they hate us because we're not like them, an oppresive, sexist, Islamic theocracy.

Wrong answers. They hate us because for decades we have meddled in their international affairs. For decades we have built military bases and equipment in their back yard. They hate us because we appear like an Imperialist mega-power that's threatening to stamp out their religion and way of life.

Furthermore, Iran is not funding the terrorists in Iraq. Iran actually supports the new Iraqi government because they utterly loathed Saddam's regime that came before (Iran and Iraq used to be bitter enemies, lest you forget). The terrorists are primarily funded by Saudi nationals, and always have been.

Furthermore, there is no evidence that Iran has nuclear arms. President Ahmadinejad spouts the things he says because he believes that America and Israel and the rest of the West are Imperialists that seek to destroy Islam.

.......Riiiiiiight.

First off, everything I said in my previous post was accurate. The Koran clearly instructs Muslims to either forceably convert or kill anyone not like them. We also wouldn't be forced to "meddle" in their international affairs if they wren't an oppresive, aggresive, Islamic extremist theocracy hell bent on attacking western civilization for the reason I've previously stated.

U.S. forces in Iraq have long since discovered arms from Hezbollah, a well known internationalist militant arm of Iran.

I really doubt there would be mountains of U.N. resolutions and worldwide sanctions long imposed on Iran if it was making its nuclear arsenal up.

Cmon man you don't actually believe that shit.

None of anything in your post is accurate. And we meddle because we, like TC stated, want their oil. If we cared anything at all about their so-called "oppressive policies," we would have made war on Saudi Arabia a long time ago, because Saudi Arabia treats it people like utter shit. Iran is actually one of the most socially progressive nations in the Middle East. Seriously... oil is the only true reason why the U.S. does anything in that region of the world.

Hezbollah is based in Lebanon, not Iran. It only follows philosophies of an Iranian Ayatollah.

And despite all of the U.N. resolutions against Iran, it possesses no actual proof of nuclear arms in Iran. None! If you can some how drag up a physical, existing, and functioning Irani nuke, I will believe you. But as it stands, the official Irani nuclear program only has nuclear power plants on the agenda.

You are quite honestly an ignorant piece of trash.
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And when we talk abotu Iran lets all remember who the ONLY nation in the ENTIRE middle east was that held a candle light vigil for the US after 9/11, not Saudi Arabia (too busy celebrating to hold a vigil), not Israel, not Pakistan, Iran held one.

And there is a lot more about Iran and the US relations over the past ten years that would not be problems if a certain person in the US had bothered to talk to them.
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Dec 1 2007, 11:50 PM
LOL there's no way you actually believe that bullshit, I refer you to my most recent post to Scythirus.

They hate us, they want war with us, it only takes a couple minutes of listening to their insane leader to clearly understand this.

Appeasing scum like this isn't the way to go man.

Looks like you don't know much about the subject, so we'll have to start with the basics. We will help you learn more so you can see the bigger picture instead of simply listening to propaganda.

First:

Why do you think the United States made enemies with Saddam, Iran, and Osama simultaneously, when Saddam fought an 8 year long war with Iran, Iran fought battles against Osama and the Taliban, and Osama called Saddam 'infidel'? Is that the foreign policy of a sane country? Why didn't we play off 3 mortal enemies against each other, instead of make enemies out of all of them? Who is more insane, the United States government or Ahmadenijad?

Also, it is clear you have not yourself ever listened to Ahmadenijad. He hasn't actually threatened to attack anyone. Mistranslators often say Ahmadenijad threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." He never said that. He said something along the lines of "Israel will fade away from history just like Saddam Hussein and the Soviet Union."
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That, and despite the rabid anti-semetism Iran is accused of...

Iran has the largest Jewish population outside Israel in the Middle East...

And they live on... unharmed.

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Dec 1 2007, 11:57 PM
The Holy Empire of Racaria
Dec 1 2007, 11:50 PM
Tristan da Cunha
Dec 1 2007, 11:40 PM
The Holy Empire of Racaria
Dec 1 2007, 11:25 PM
Tristan da Cunha
Dec 1 2007, 11:19 PM
QUestion for you: why do you think "Islamofascists" and Iran want to attack us? Why do they hate us?

Have you ever heard Imadenamja-whatever his name is talk? Ever? How many "death to America" rallys over there do you need to see?

They have nukes, their president is insane. He's a flaming anti-semite, who is actively funding and equiping the terrorists in Iraq. We're already engaged in a proxy war with Iran.

But to answer your question directly, they hate us because we're not like them, an oppresive, sexist, Islamic theocracy.

Wow, that is horrifically ignorant.

Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and Iran had always hated each other. It would take some horrifically ignorant policies to make three mortal enemies attack the same country at the same time. Lo and behold, the United States succeeded in doing just that.

Please, Racaria, do not contribute to this stupid state of affairs.

The ONLY reason Iran hates us is because we are interfering in the Middle East. They DON'T CARE if we aren't an Islamic theocracy. Even if we became the world's first All-Homosexual, All-Atheist, All-Lesbian country, if we simply pulled out of the Middle East, Iran would not hate us, and they wouldn't be pursuing nukes to defend themselves against us, the United States.

Now, why did we get into Iran in the first place? Because we wanted their oil. A perfectly legitimate reason to be there. But we fucked it up - instead of dealing with their leaders like civilized people, we took over their country, assassinated their Prime Minister, and installed a dictator back in the 1950s. Furthermore we are helping out Israel piss off the Middle East too. Iran has perfect reason to hate the United States! Wouldn't you hate the United States if the good ol' USA took over your country, killed your leaders, and impose a dictator over you?

How can we undo our stupid actions of the past? We can at least make some progress by withdrawing our one-way friendship with Israel, withdrawing from Iraq, and start WORKING with Iran instead threatening to attack them.

LOL there's no way you actually believe that bullshit, I refer you to my most recent post to Scythirus.

They hate us, they want war with us, it only takes a couple minutes of listening to their insane leader to clearly understand this.

Appeasing scum like this isn't the way to go man.

The one who doesn't seem to understand as you.

First off, Ahmadinejad? Not too big a threat. He has no real say over the foriegn policy of Iran, first all. Study their political system. He can say anything he wants, nothing happens.

Quote:
 

Ahmadinejad's anti-Israel rhetoric and staunch stand on Iran's nuclear program are believed to have divided the conservatives who voted him into power. Some conservatives feel Ahmadinejad has spent too much time confronting the West and failed to deal with Iran's struggling economy.


Basically, Ahmadinejad has fucked up Iran, and the people are pissed, the council is pissed, and Komani is at wits end. In the next election cycle, Ahmadinejad is out. O-U-T. He don't mean shit, really.

Iran as a nation doesn't give a shit about the US, if the US would leave it alone. Seriously. They have their own culture, and the only thing they really hate is the American adittude towards their culture - that its worthless, and the best thing to do is open up a Starbucks on the next street corner.

Get out of the Middle East, get out of Israel. That's the best solution. Leave them to fuck themselves. While they do that, America has got to rebuild its economic independence. End globalization, and start bringing industry back to America. That'll give us a leg up in the next century when the US becomes the Chinese USSR.

It's not just Ahmadinejad he isn't the only one like him in the Iranian government, cmon now. He's also the friggin president of Iran, don't try to feed me stuff like him being totally powerless.

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Basically, Ahmadinejad has fucked up Iran, and the people are pissed, the council is pissed, and Komani is at wits end. In the next election cycle, Ahmadinejad is out. O-U-T. He don't mean shit, really.

I pray you're right.

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Iran as a nation doesn't give a shit about the US, if the US would leave it alone. Seriously. They have their own culture, and the only thing they really hate is the American adittude towards their culture - that its worthless, and the best thing to do is open up a Starbucks on the next street corner.

Cmon are you seriously going to deny that Iran isn't a hotbed for Islamic anti-American extremism? I reaffirm the fact that the Koran instructs Muslims to kill anyone not like them, for the reasons I've previously stated. I have yet to hear a moderate voice from Iran saying otherwise.

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Get out of the Middle East, get out of Israel. That's the best solution. Leave them to fuck themselves. While they do that, America has got to rebuild its economic independence. End globalization, and start bringing industry back to America. That'll give us a leg up in the next century when the US becomes the Chinese USSR.

We should gladly leave the Middle East when we've made sure its no longer a haven for Islamic extremism, anything less will be welcoming another 9/11.

And I'm not racist or bigotted against Islam or Arabs, don't try that liberal b.s. with me, ok?
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That, and despite the rabid anti-semetism Iran is accused of...

Iran has the largest Jewish population outside Israel in the Middle East...

And they live on... unharmed.


Indeed. Here we see Ahmadenijad shaking hands with a rabbi. Racaria, is Ahmadenijad really a "flaming anti-Semite" (in your words)?

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Who else saw this arguepwnage a mile away? anyone?
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Who else saw this arguepwnage a mile away? anyone?

*Raises hand*
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And I'm not racist or bigotted against Islam or Arabs, don't try that liberal b.s. with me, ok?


I'll be the first to say that I AM bigotted against Islam, and I am also reflexively suspicious of Muslims, and I think we need to pull the fuck out of Iraq! I'll be the first to say that I think we should force all Muslims to convert or leave the United States, and I think we should make peace with Iran!
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That, and despite the rabid anti-semetism Iran is accused of...

Iran has the largest Jewish population outside Israel in the Middle East...

And they live on... unharmed.


Indeed. Here we see Ahmadenijad shaking hands with a rabbi. Racaria, is Ahmadenijad really a "flaming anti-Semite" (in your words)?

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SHORYUKEN!

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*sings happily to self*

Neo-cons and libertar'ns fighting fighting fiiiighting,
Such a joy to see the partisans paarting...
Laddee da da, ya da dee da da...

*continues humming madly to self*

*goes and sits down as the lions continue to feast in the arena*

:lol: :blink:
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Dec 2 2007, 12:27 AM
*sings happily to self*

Neo-cons and libertar'ns fighting fighting fiiiighting,
Such a joy to see the partisans paarting...
Laddee da da, ya da dee da da...

*continues humming madly to self*

*goes and sits down as the lions continue to feast in the arena*

:lol:  :blink:

You calling me a libertarian?! :angry: :P :lol:
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....Who knows.... :gnarkgnark: :ph43r: :lol:

*continues attempt to lighten unnecessarily tense/dark/arguementative atmosphere*
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Scy and TC have hit most of the points I would have made. I'll add the following:


Iran tried to make friends with the USA after 9/11. They had common enemies with us. They offered to help and tried to end our dispute.

We flipped them the bird, and the current situation is the direct result.
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....Who knows.... :gnarkgnark:  :ph43r:  :lol:

*continues attempt to lighten unnecessarily tense/dark/arguementative atmosphere*


"Slavophile" is the term that best describes me politically.

From wiki:

A Slavophile was a member of an intellectual movement from 19th century that wanted the Russian Empire to be developed upon values and institutions derived from its early history. Slavophiles were especially opposed to Western European culture and its influences in Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavophile

Yes, I consider myself a member of a dead political movement from a country that no longer exists.
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Kasnyia
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:rolleyes: I was just kidding, TC. You dont have to remind me.
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Remind you? I don't think I've ever made it known to you that I am a Slavophile. :P
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Well the last time you described yourself, you called yourself a traditionlist, which is related to your claim of slavophile.

Regardless, the clarification was unnecessary. Thats like argueing that the chicken flew round the road after hearing a joke about why the chicken crossed it... :lol:
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Dec 1 2007, 11:43 PM
Well the last time you described yourself, you called yourself a traditionlist, which is related to your claim of slavophile.

Regardless, the clarification was unnecessary. Thats like argueing that the chicken flew round the road after hearing a joke about why the chicken crossed it... :lol:

I think it was totally necessary. Only because otherwise I would never had had the joy of seeing somebody refer to himself as a Slavophile in modern discourse.
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Dec 2 2007, 12:48 AM
Kasnyia
Dec 1 2007, 11:43 PM
Well the last time you described yourself, you called yourself a traditionlist, which is related to your claim of slavophile.

Regardless, the clarification was unnecessary. Thats like argueing that the chicken flew round the road after hearing a joke about why the chicken crossed it... :lol:

I think it was totally necessary. Only because otherwise I would never had had the joy of seeing somebody refer to himself as a Slavophile in modern discourse.

Very true. Heaven forbid if someone mistook me for a Zapadnik!
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That or you both just wanted to take the mickey out of my random statement. Whichever comes first. :rolleyes: :lol:
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Dec 2 2007, 12:52 AM
That or you both just wanted to take the mickey out of my random statement. Whichever comes first. :rolleyes: :lol:

No, I have received confirmation it was not because of that.
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Twas another joke, TC. Hence the smiles. Why must you debate something that isn't meant to be any sort of true claim? :rolleyes: :huh:
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