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Political survey; Where do you stand?
Topic Started: Nov 9 2007, 11:40 PM (3,116 Views)
Kasnyia	Nov 12 2007, 09:06 PM Post #76
Chairman of the Bank Posts: 12,339 Group: Veterans Member #164 Joined: July 15, 2005	I wouldn't call my own ideologies status quo (if it was, people wouldn't look at me like I'm crazy or attack me for being too different), though I consider myself a centrist.... Perhaps I'm going by a different definition here. shrugs As for Ron Paul and his cost cuting strategies, I'd go for it only if he wasn't allowed to go to town on it because I do have the feeling he would cut too much, when certain aspects can be repaired/streamlined/generally made better. Of course those certain aspects would be the exception rather than the rule, but regardless they would still exist. If what Scy's chart says is accurate, I'd frankly hope for a more leftist candidate, if only to reverse the trend toward the right and balance it out towrd center. EDIT- Nevermind TC, I see what you meant.



Comrade Queen	Nov 12 2007, 09:08 PM Post #77
Comrade Bitchqueen Posts: 4,159 Group: Forum Mods Member #83 Joined: October 4, 2004	Nag Ehgoeg Nov 12 2007, 06:36 PM But you need someone to reel in spending, address social issues, for the love of god fix Nawlins and protect your civil rights. Whatever candidate does that, would get my hypothetical vote. That would be part of Ron Paul's game plan.



Tristan da Cunha	Nov 12 2007, 11:41 PM Post #78
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Nag Ehgoeg Nov 12 2007, 08:20 PM Quaon Nov 12 2007, 08:08 PM Ron Paul is not the big business candidate. He has, throughout his tenure, fought for a economic sense and tried to prevent the decline of the dollar. Yeah... somewhere, something is buggy. Because you don't get that far right on the political compass without completely disagreeing with protectionism, market control and fighting inflation. The Political Compass actually is very uninformative and can't tell you that much about a person's political views. What does "right wing" mean anyways? 1.) We all know that taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor is considered "left wing". This is the realm of Marx and the socialists. 2.) We all know that "laissez faire" is considered "right wing". Ron Paul would support this. 3.) But what do you call using the government as a tool to take money from citizens and then give that money to large corporations? Is that "right wing" or some twisted form of "left wing"? This third option is what Hilary Clinton, Rudy Giuliani, Edwards, et al. support. It is also the political stance of choice for people like Mussolini and Hitler. Ron Paul has nothing in common, economically, with the other people who share the right wing with him on the Political Compass. THerefore, the Political Compass is woefully inaccurate. One would think that big business hates big government. Actually, big business loves bloated, freespending governments - as long as the government hands out tax dollars to big business rather than spend it onthings like free health care. The oversized Federal Government grants monopolies to favored corporate interests, giving subsidies (AKA welfare) to multi-billion dollar corporations, and starting Middle Eastern wars on behalf of rich contractors who want to get even richer by dipping into the supposedly public budget. In history, big business has always been allies with powerful government. Big business can't survive without it. You mention that "far right" would be against market control. Big business like the legal monopolies and predictable government spending patterns that create inertia and stability for them; the American market is in fact highly controlled by a tight alliance of big business and government, and big business profits from government spending, since government is controlled by business anyways. This process has been going on in some form or another for about 150 years, accelerated in the 1930s, and now it is at a fever pitch. Not just in the US of course, in Europe and Japan too, though Europe has taken a decidedly leftist turn, and Japan is just... fucked.



New Harumf	Nov 13 2007, 06:20 PM Post #79
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	OK, all, let me use my years of wisdom to expain some things here (Does anyone else find it funny that the upper left quad and the lower right quad have NO ONE!) Edwards: His only interest is the trial lawyers. All his money comes from the trial lawyers. He will vote for anything that will complicate law, and that's the truth. He is also a major hypocrite, a "limosine liberal" and full of shit as a person. He is also a liar, cheat and every other bad thing. Do not vote for Edwards. Ron Paul: As has been said before - he opposes corporate bailouts by the feds. If Crysler collapses, so be it, and shame on the CEO and the Stockholders that put him in power. It is not the taxpayers obligation to save rich people. Corporations exist to make money for their shareholders, that is their ONLY purpose, and the shareholders are responsible if it doesn't. He is socially considerably more liberal than the chart shows, and is not in the lower right quad because he is running as a republican and doesn't want to totally piss off the religious, social right. Hillary: Even if she wins all the primaries, she will never be the Dem candidate for president. Why? Way too much baggage, and if she becomes the candidate, the press will not be able to resist digging up all the dirt, liberal or not. She can only have so many reporters killed. Now, fear Mayor Bloomberg. There is talk of him running, and he is a good administrator, but he is too much of a social engineer. Ban this, ban that! He scares the hell out of me. Now, if ya want to know about other candidates, ask. P.S. My Myspace account has Ron Paul as a friend, and the U.S. Constitution!!



Nag Ehgoeg	Nov 13 2007, 06:32 PM Post #80
The Devil's Advocate Posts: 7,238 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: December 26, 2003	Kasnyia Nov 12 2007, 09:06 PM I wouldn't call my own ideologies status quo (if it was, people wouldn't look at me like I'm crazy or attack me for being too different), though I consider myself a centrist.... My definition of status quo is vastly different to the situation you Colonalists have endured under Dubya... infact it's vastly different to the situation you've endured for quite some time. I can see where it'd be confusing in that the status quo I'm thinking of (centralism) hasn't actually been the status quo (in the states... or on our side of the pond for that matter) for a good long while. [Edit] NH: I'm a literate, polical person with broadband. If I wanted to know about the policies of Presidential candidates I'd already know and I certainly wouldn't trust the opinions of one person. :P TC: The policial compass is comprised of a mere handful of questions with very predicatable results. Most of the questions that move you right wing do so by making you pledge your undying loyality to big business. Note I say "most" - by no means do all of them do this. But "Ron Paul's" "results" indicate that one cannot get that far right without hailing to the chief. If someone's made up where to put the dot based on the fact that he's "truely" right wing rather than "big government, big business" then it's stupid to frame it in the trappings of the policial compass - because then people like me who account for the biases of the test get a completely misleading impression. Take, for example, the tale of the Knight and Knave - one of them always tells the truth and one always lies. Knowing this, you're forearmed and can account for this to get accurate information. Of course if someone changes the rules without telling you then you're buggered. The fact that the Political Compass is woefully inaccurate just gives you more information when you're familiar with the failings of the tool used to generate it. Unless you bypass the test and simply place dots on a grid. Then, I'm in full agreement with everything you said.



Kasnyia	Nov 13 2007, 09:20 PM Post #81
Chairman of the Bank Posts: 12,339 Group: Veterans Member #164 Joined: July 15, 2005	I'm randomly going to vote for Richardson or Huckabee, for absolutely no reason at all apart from the fact neither seems (key word) as insane as the rest of the guys. :D Even if I'm wrong, I don't care. I'm sick of the rest of the candidates, Paul included.



Tristan da Cunha	Nov 13 2007, 10:05 PM Post #82
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	What are your positions on the issues, Kas? What are your thoughts about how the US should deal with terrorism? How should the US conduct diplomacy, which countries should the US be favoring and which we shouldn't? Your thoughts about illegal immigration? Public spending? Social issues? You should match your candiddate's positions with your own positions.



Kasnyia	Nov 13 2007, 11:22 PM Post #83
Chairman of the Bank Posts: 12,339 Group: Veterans Member #164 Joined: July 15, 2005	No kidding. :rolleyes: The whole reason I'm saying I'll vote for those to is simply because I'm expressing my annoyance at this election. One can be somewhat tongue in cheek you know.



Noriega	Nov 13 2007, 11:33 PM Post #84
Resident Hobbit Posts: 10,050 Group: Members Member #153 Joined: June 9, 2005	This just in! ^_^ Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 2.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74 Changed again.



Eleytheria-Duo	Nov 13 2007, 11:57 PM Post #85
Resident Bystander Posts: 2,370 Group: Map Makers Member #298 Joined: November 16, 2006	I shifted somewhat further to the right than the last time I took the test. Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 2.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.33



Paradise	Nov 14 2007, 12:05 AM Post #86
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	I'm gonna add your tomorrow to the graph. I don't have the time right now.



Eleytheria-Duo	Nov 14 2007, 12:07 AM Post #87
Resident Bystander Posts: 2,370 Group: Map Makers Member #298 Joined: November 16, 2006	Paradise Nov 13 2007, 09:05 PM I'm gonna add your tomorrow to the graph. I don't have the time right now. Its fine. I don't really need to be on any chart, anyway. Just stating any changes in my "political compass."



Paradise	Nov 14 2007, 01:45 PM Post #88
Resident bureaucrat Posts: 2,268 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: December 23, 2003	Updated. By the way, welcome to my quadrant Norightsia :lol:



The Holy Empire of Racaria	Dec 1 2007, 05:48 PM Post #89
Sergeant Posts: 115 Group: Members Member #387 Joined: November 25, 2007	Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.03 That's about right. Please add me to the chart.



Kasnyia	Dec 1 2007, 05:50 PM Post #90
Chairman of the Bank Posts: 12,339 Group: Veterans Member #164 Joined: July 15, 2005	And here I was hoping the thread would die until there were major changes in the election line up (since thats what the discussion will boil down to again). Ah well. <_< :P



The Holy Empire of Racaria	Dec 1 2007, 05:55 PM Post #91
Sergeant Posts: 115 Group: Members Member #387 Joined: November 25, 2007	Kasnyia Dec 1 2007, 05:50 PM And here I was hoping the thread would die until there were major changes in the election line up (since thats what the discussion will boil down to again). Ah well. <_< :P U.S. Pres. lineup? Man, that's been pretty much lined up for months. Republican: Guliani/Romney Democrat: Clinton/Obama ........And I'm stuck folks. :(



Kasnyia	Dec 1 2007, 05:57 PM Post #92
Chairman of the Bank Posts: 12,339 Group: Veterans Member #164 Joined: July 15, 2005	While you're likely correct with the Democratic line up, the Republican line up is hardly that settled, despite those two being front runners.



The Holy Empire of Racaria	Dec 1 2007, 06:00 PM Post #93
Sergeant Posts: 115 Group: Members Member #387 Joined: November 25, 2007	Kasnyia Dec 1 2007, 05:57 PM While you're likely correct with the Democratic line up, the Republican line up is hardly that settled, despite those two being front runners. I want to believe you as I am NOT a fan of that GOP ticket, it just seems that way to me right now, sadly.



Kasnyia	Dec 1 2007, 06:03 PM Post #94
Chairman of the Bank Posts: 12,339 Group: Veterans Member #164 Joined: July 15, 2005	The race for GOP ticket will not be decided until the 11th hour. Anyone who claims it to be Romney/Giuliani now is wasting their time and behind the curve on current polls. An if you're stuck, just don't vote this election. Simple.



Union	Dec 1 2007, 06:05 PM Post #95
Pyrenees Republic Posts: 3,219 Group: Forum Mods Member #307 Joined: December 27, 2006	SETH TYRSSEN 2008



Rhadamanthus	Dec 1 2007, 06:16 PM Post #96
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	The Republican lineup has been shifting rapidly in various odd directions for months. Like Kas said, its not even remotely decided.



Tristan da Cunha	Dec 1 2007, 06:16 PM Post #97
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Hmm, after the most awful candidate is elected as President of the United States (and he or she will be), I may have to move to Russia.



Rhadamanthus	Dec 1 2007, 06:18 PM Post #98
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Tristan da Cunha Dec 1 2007, 05:16 PM Hmm, after the most awful candidate is elected as President of the United States (and he or she will be), I may have to move to Russia. I can call that election! United Russia wins ;)



The Holy Empire of Racaria	Dec 1 2007, 06:20 PM Post #99
Sergeant Posts: 115 Group: Members Member #387 Joined: November 25, 2007	Kasnyia Dec 1 2007, 06:03 PM The race for GOP ticket will not be decided until the 11th hour. Anyone who claims it to be Romney/Giuliani now is wasting their time and behind the curve on current polls. An if you're stuck, just don't vote this election. Simple. Hmmm you may be right. I will feel compelled to vote tho, anything to stop Hitlary.



Kasnyia	Dec 1 2007, 09:39 PM Post #100
Chairman of the Bank Posts: 12,339 Group: Veterans Member #164 Joined: July 15, 2005	Hilary won't win. Every card carrying Democrat and self-proclaimed liberal that I know pwersonally hates her. They all want Obama to get the ticket. The air of inevitabiliy shep uts off is just that; an air.

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