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| Topic Started: Apr 10 2007, 12:14 AM (472 Views) | |
| Union | Apr 10 2007, 12:14 AM Post #1 |
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Again, I realize I am stepping on many people's toes, but, noticing how many people outright denied Caronicilia's Gurai Empire in italy thing, I'm wondering whether there is an accepted general basic history to this whole place, that perhaps could be described? I am not saying a basic history structure SHOULD be devised (though I would personally support that), but whether it currently EXISTS. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 10 2007, 12:40 AM Post #2 |
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I don't think there is any generally accepted history except for the in-game history. Before that, its kind of fuzzy. Some nations use real world history, while others like Caronicilia have a fictional history. But I don't think we have any rules regarding that stuff. But I might be forgetting something or other. |
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| Comrade Queen | Apr 10 2007, 12:41 AM Post #3 |
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Italy is part of Catholic Europe who recently just threw his annual fit. We're all hoping the touchy guy returns and we're holding his land in reserve for a while. No one is suppose to touch that area until we know for certain that he's not changing his mind this time. I personally would miss Scythirus' biggest rival. I miss the days where the Pope and "Old Man" Voramix would snipe at each other through public speeches. |
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| Union | Apr 10 2007, 12:41 AM Post #4 |
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For example, do we accept there was a Rome or some sort of major empire in Europe? Because without Rome, there's no Pilate. WIthout that the whole Catholic thing just kinda falls apart. Or does every nation make things up as they see fit? |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 10 2007, 12:43 AM Post #5 |
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Well I accept the existance of Rome because I assume that real life history happened at "some point" maybe in the distant past or something. But I think there is a certain player perogative to it. And Scythirus explained well why Caron's Italy thing was touchy. |
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| Comrade Queen | Apr 10 2007, 12:44 AM Post #6 |
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Yes. There's a Rome. "Old Man" Voramix nuked it once, and then there have been numerous coronations there. |
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| Union | Apr 10 2007, 12:44 AM Post #7 |
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Caron's was an example. I also mean in general. By Rome, I mean a Roman Empire, with the Senate, and Ceaser, and et tu Brutus and all that jazz. |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 10 2007, 01:58 AM Post #8 |
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Oh it existed...one only needs to ask Nor, RD, TC, CE and anyone else operationg with Romans or in the vicinity of the former Roman Empire. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Apr 10 2007, 05:29 AM Post #9 |
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The deal is this: Unless otherwise stated by a player's national history, real history happened. Nations which aren't player controlled are assumed to be similiar to their RL counterparts - however they're much less important in our world, never taking an active role on the world stage. By the same token "real history" is rendered less important by virtue of the fact that (for the most part) only these inconcequential NPC nations take part in the majority of "real history". See the old World War planning thread for details. A player's nation's history is considered to be much more important and is the basis of the game. Minor details may be retconed or reimaged in order to tell a better story, but so long as the IC history effected IC events, it can't be completely over written or comprimised. This stands true even if a player leaves the game. The History of Patrua, for example, doesn't magically disappear just because the nation crumbled to dust. Now... nations like Paradise, CE, and Proto-Nag Ehgoeg were around in the 1600s. We would have noticed a massive ****ing empire on our doorstep (or in CE's case, in his front room). You can't simply right an empire into history - at least not without discussing it first with those who were there. The Roman Kingdom/Republic/Empire is referenced by several players history. Noteably, those who RP in areas under Roman influence. Specifically CE. The USSR is acknowledged to have existed (in a much diminished and less important form) as is the USA. But inventing an empire out of thin air is unrealistic godmoding. Understand I have no (OOC) objection at all to you claiming there was an Empire. If you want to claim there was an Empire but accept the claim will be disputed, then OOC I will defend to the death your nation's right to make that claim. But IC, I'm gonna have to repeatedly accuse you of lying an refute your claims at every turn. And I think that sums up the attitudes of most people. |
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| New Harumf | Apr 10 2007, 07:54 AM Post #10 |
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Many RP'ers have "fictional" history, or mythology, if you will, which is ignored by others. This is OK. If you want to claim your nation is decended from the great God-Kings in Oklahoma, go ahead, we'll all know it is national fiction. If you want to claim you are decended from the great God-Kings of the Nile Valley, that's fine too, we'll know what you are talking about. Just don't try to bugger someone else's history. |
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| Caronicilia | Apr 10 2007, 08:59 AM Post #11 |
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Well, seeing as he's just posted, I suppose I need a new location for it, be it recognized or not. Perhaps somewhere in Central Europe or Spain would be better, where their is no nation? |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Apr 10 2007, 09:37 AM Post #12 |
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From an OOC perspective, this will be much better. IC... we'll probably still deny it existed. Simply because claiming to have been part of a globe spanning empire gives too much leverage for expansion. |
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| Paradise | Apr 10 2007, 11:17 AM Post #13 |
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I like to think there was some kind of general World uprising (caused by a nuclear war?) that led to the fall of many nations like USA or Russia, while some nations remained almost untouched (Saudi Arabia that became Paradise through a militaristic coup d'État). |
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| Union | Apr 10 2007, 12:35 PM Post #14 |
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I wouldn't mind adding a Gurai Empire to my history, provided it PREDATES the Roman civilization. However, seeign as how the Gurai Empire is from the 14th century, I'm playing around with Iberian history, and you wouldn't be much of an empire since I occupy a fourth of the peninsula. |
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| Quaon | Apr 10 2007, 12:47 PM Post #15 |
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http://z3.invisionfree.com/nationstates/in...?showtopic=2858 Now, a slightly better idea for the Gurai would be to have it as a near mythical civilization that predates written history (such as Atlantis) that the Carons genuinly believe exist, but the rest of the world dismisses it like they do Atlantis. |
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| Noriega | Apr 10 2007, 01:48 PM Post #16 |
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I like that idea. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Apr 10 2007, 03:02 PM Post #17 |
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Ditto. |
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| New Harumf | Apr 10 2007, 05:42 PM Post #18 |
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I think I already said that, but thank you for repeating it so it isn't ignored. |
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| Caronicilia | Apr 10 2007, 11:34 PM Post #19 |
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I suppose I could move some things around a bit, and make it ancient. I'm willing to compromise with people on the subject, and if you'd like to work with me to add it to Iberian history, that'd be quite grand as well. I could also lower its status to "Near mythical," however I'd like it to have a good case for its existence as well as its erm... nonexistence. Only problem with that is there were not global empires to my knowledge in the pre-ancient world, let alone communication between the continents. Meh, I'll find a way to work it out. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Apr 11 2007, 04:29 AM Post #20 |
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Nor to my knowledge was there the Empire you wish to create in the 1600s. Both strike me as being far fetched and nothing more than a legitimiser for world take over. You can't write empires into history. You can adapt existing empires. You can spread properganda. You can surface rumours and myths. But seriously, we would have noticed a globe spanning empire. It's collaspe would have had a knock on effect to our nations. You either need to make the Gurai a lot less significant, or go with the near mythical status and accept that 90% of the world will deny the Empires existance. That's not to say you can't have any evidence that the empire existed, just that said evidence is widely disputed. |
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| NRE | Apr 11 2007, 07:46 AM Post #21 |
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Oh course there was a Roman Empire in Europe, it was called TheNeoRomanEmpire, and it existed in what is present day Russian Federation. It had a senate, a NeoCaesar and all that good stuff. It was eventually over run by Russian nationalist thought and died :lol: Ah, good times...good times :D |
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| Quaon | Apr 11 2007, 09:06 AM Post #22 |
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OOC: There might've not have been a global Empire in ancient time-but I saw something very interesting on the History Channel that could fit quite nicely. Before anyone reads this: I am not a conspiracy theorist and don't believe any of this meant anything. Okay, basically, in remote corners of the globe, they've found nearly identical statues and other carvings, that would date back to before the Roman Empire. Some are so massive that it would seem to be impossible for a tribal group of people to build them, hell, some are friggin underwater!No one knows what really built them. There are of course the nuts who say aliens made them, than the people who say that it was the "Great Atlantian Civilization" that made them, etc., etc. Now-does it matter what it is in reality? NO! Say that the people who built that were the Gurai or something. |
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| Noriega | Apr 11 2007, 02:16 PM Post #23 |
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Why did the Egyptians, Babylonians, and Mayans all build step pyramids? The Gurai told them to. :lol: |
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| Draxis | Apr 11 2007, 05:34 PM Post #24 |
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The Gurai came from outer-space man, and they told them to build pyramids. Why? No reason, other than to see the gullible nut cases do it. |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 11 2007, 05:39 PM Post #25 |
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Gurai Empire=Jurai Empire=Tenchi Muyo=harem anime= Caron. Ah HAH!! |
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