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Do you like the CP system?
Topic Started: Apr 5 2007, 10:53 AM (1,674 Views)
lebowski2123
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My population is 2.499 billion, and when I multiply that by the .2 of a normal spending nation, I come out with 499,800,000. Is that correct? If so, is that the maximum amount of infantry that I can field?
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lebowski2123
Apr 10 2007, 05:15 PM
My population is 2.499 billion, and when I multiply that by the .2 of a normal spending nation, I come out with 499,800,000. Is that correct? If so, is that the maximum amount of infantry that I can field?

Holy god no!

0.2%!

2 499 000 000 * 0.002 = 4 998 000
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lebowski2123
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Jesus I thought something was wrong, damn that anxious eye of mine. Thanks for the help, crisis averted ;)
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Hispania
Apr 10 2007, 04:49 PM
Just an outline so people can say whether or not I'm godmoding. I'm going for a tiny military that's very well trained and powerful in smaller battles, but can be overwhelmed by most nations.

Hispanic Military: green economy, low spending

Infantry 1,007,100
(.003 of population)
(5x better than normal)*

Special Forces 1,000
( .00000029% of population)
(10x better than normal)

600 vehicles (2x better than average)
450 light tanks (anti infantry/artillery)
50 heavy tanks
60 anti-air
40 recon

navy: normal effectiveness
20 aircraft carriers
40 destroyers
22 anti-ship submarines
4 nuclear submarine
20 frigates
30 cruisers
15 mine hunters

air force:
700 fighters (2x better than average)
70 bombers (2x better than average)
100 cargo planes (average)
1000 helicopters (average)
100 support aircraft (average)

**I'm dividing up my infantry into several categories: guerilla, amphibious, urban, desert, etc. Each division's infantry are 5x better at the terrain they specialize in than average infantry, and 2x on terrain they do not specialize in.

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Under no circumstances can something be five times better than average


Additionally, you've got a hellava lot of navy there.

Other than that... looks ok to me.
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Union
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The navy is not using full numbers for yellow and normal defense.

The infantry are only 5x better in territory in which they specialize though.
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New Harumf
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Where the hell are you getting "Red, Green and Yellow"? Every link I try on the original CP link doesn't work, so where the hell do I get my stats now. This is pissing me off big time! Someone post a fucking link at the beginning of this damn post, please!
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Nag Ehgoeg
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"Nations with normal defence spending OR a yellow economy get four aircraft carriers (or assault ships) for every billion people"

You have four billion.

Four times four is 16. Not 20.

Your Spec Ops cannot be ten times better. As for your infantry being 5x better in specialist terrian... that's fair and balanced so long as you're taking five times less than you usually could.

New Harumf
Apr 10 2007, 05:39 PM
Where the hell are you getting "Red, Green and Yellow"?  Every link I try on the original CP link doesn't work, so where the hell do I get my stats now.  This is pissing me off big time!  Someone post a fucking link at the beginning of this damn post, please!

You can swear when you have a reason to swear. In the first post of this thread:

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Calculators, like NS Tracker

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green (Frightening, All-Consuming, Powerhouse, Thriving or Very Strong), yellow (Strong, Good, Fair, Reasonable or Developing) or red (Struggling, Weak, Fragile, Basket Case or Imploded)
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my mistake.
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New Harumf
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Thank you. Sorry for my outburst. Bad day.

Now, I have a population of 6,641,000,000
A Good economy.
Crappy to non-existant defense spending.

So:

Total possible men - .15% x Pop. = 9,965,500
I assume special forces are at half value??

Total possible AC's = 2 per billion, so I could have 12.
Average AC has 9 to 12 vessels with it, so I would figure, oh, 120 non-capital ships

Jets, I'm going to figue at 200 per billion, so I could have 1200

Bombers, like 20 per billion, so 120

Heleocopters, maybe 150 per billion, so 900

Awacs, 15 per billion, so, 90.

Anyone have any objections with these counts??
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Well New Harumf has a military spending of 0.

To the letter of the guide, this army is fine and dandy.

But consider the spirit.

Halving those numbers would make me feel a lot more comfortable.
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Quaon
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Hm-is that Romania included or just Bzyantine Africa?

And-troops a hundred times better than normal? What are they, Supermen? lol

I say go for the high number of troops. No matter how well trained the troops are, a bullet to the head is a bullet to the head.
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Quaon
Apr 10 2007, 06:16 PM
Hm-is that Romania included or just Bzyantine Africa?

Both, for now.

Quaon
 
And-troops a hundred times better than normal? What are they, Supermen? lol

Are you referring to me?
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Quaon
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How about if you have no spending and a green economy, you should get .1% of your population as military, yellow .075%, red .05%.

Edit: TC, yes.
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Quaon
Apr 10 2007, 06:26 PM
How about if you have no spending and a green economy, you should get .1% of your population as military, yellow .075%, red .05%.

Edit: TC, yes.

I didn't say they are 100 times stronger. In fact they are all normal quality.
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Fixed my thing.

Am I to understand that I can keep my soldiers as 5x better than average only in their trained terrains, and 2x better overall?
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Does The German Army check out as far as realism is concerned?
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Hispania
Apr 10 2007, 06:29 PM
Fixed my thing.

Am I to understand that I can keep my soldiers as 5x better than average only in their trained terrains, and 2x better overall?

If you really, really want to. Then I'm not going to stand in your way. But it seems stupid to me.

German army looks fine to me.
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lebowski2123
Apr 10 2007, 06:40 PM
Does The German Army check out as far as realism is concerned?

You use a lot of the same stuff I do lol. B)

You have a really high tank-to-artillery ration, you know. May want to get rid of a few artillery or AA things to make way for more tanks.

Also, I guess my Special-Forces will have to be retooled. They are apparently six times better than average, which is impossible. Also The Genesis is way, way too powerful.
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Apr 10 2007, 06:48 PM
lebowski2123
Apr 10 2007, 06:40 PM
Does The German Army check out as far as realism is concerned?

You use a lot of the same stuff I do lol. B)

You have a really high tank-to-artillery ration, you know. May want to get rid of a few artillery or AA things to make way for more tanks.

Also, I guess my Special-Forces will have to be retooled. They are apparently six times better than average, which is impossible. Also The Genesis is way, way too powerful.

Well thanks, I actually used your forces as a model for mine ^_^ , hope that's alright. Thanks for the advice, I'll give that a good look. Are the numbers alright as far as godmodding is concerned?
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lebowski2123
Apr 10 2007, 06:51 PM
Norightsia
Apr 10 2007, 06:48 PM
lebowski2123
Apr 10 2007, 06:40 PM
Does The German Army check out as far as realism is concerned?

You use a lot of the same stuff I do lol. B)

You have a really high tank-to-artillery ration, you know. May want to get rid of a few artillery or AA things to make way for more tanks.

Also, I guess my Special-Forces will have to be retooled. They are apparently six times better than average, which is impossible. Also The Genesis is way, way too powerful.

Well thanks, I actually used your forces as a model for mine ^_^ , hope that's alright. Thanks for the advice, I'll give that a good look. Are the numbers alright as far as godmodding is concerned?

Oh, I'm sure they are.

And thanks for the emulation. B) B) B)
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Caronicilia
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Notes: Green Economy (Frightening), HIGH spending (72%)

2,550,000 Infantry (all classes) ((I think 4x quality as well, however I'm not certain))
500 Tanks
450 Artillery
200 Anti-Air weapons


12 Aircraft Carriers
8 Amphibious Assault Ships
5 Battleships
96 Destroyers
94 Submarines
60 Frigates
36 Mine Hunters
90 Cruisers


1,150 Air Superiority Fighters
20 Bombers
40 Stealth Bombers
90 Transport Planes
350 Attack Helicopters
300 Transport Helicopters
350 Navy Helicopters
80 Support Aircraft

Uhm, hope this is acceptable. This is just a rough outline, if it's good, then I'll divide it amongst Commonwealth members as necessary.

Also, in an unrelated note, I'm RPing Kuvekk as a nation culturally similar to Caronicilia, and they will inevitably share some dialogue. I know I'm not allowed to make the nations interact much if they are played separately from one another, but for the sake of making them be as close as I can make them, would it be acceptable if I just took Kuvekk's military from the Commonwealth budget?
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If by that you mean use Caronicilia's troops to form the armies of both Caronicilia and Kuvekk, then yes. If you mean use Caronicilia's defense budget to create a separate army for Kuvekk, then no, I wouldn't be too comfortable with that.
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Al Araam
Apr 11 2007, 06:36 AM
If by that you mean use Caronicilia's troops to form the armies of both Caronicilia and Kuvekk, then yes. If you mean use Caronicilia's defense budget to create a separate army for Kuvekk, then no, I wouldn't be too comfortable with that.

Ditto.
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Also, Nor, it was my understanding that effective population was only used to calculate equipment numbers. Your infantry should be based on your actual, raw population number.
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Apr 11 2007, 03:36 AM
If by that you mean use Caronicilia's troops to form the armies of both Caronicilia and Kuvekk, then yes. If you mean use Caronicilia's defense budget to create a separate army for Kuvekk, then no, I wouldn't be too comfortable with that.

Well what I mean is Kuvekk's army will be subtracted from this list. That way, there's no way I can use the two nations to benefit myself, as I really wouldn't be gaining anything.
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