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| Topic Started: Apr 5 2007, 10:53 AM (1,675 Views) | |
| Nag Ehgoeg | Apr 9 2007, 06:17 PM Post #51 |
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Bear in mind, this is a guide. Do whatever you think isn't godmoding. This is a guide. IFVs, in my book, are simply APCs. And just like under the CP system are treated as "infantry add ons" rather than "unique vehicles". So if you want to mount your infantry in IFVs then you get half as many as you usually would, but don't have to pay for the IFV out of the vehicle allowance. That said, the "vehicle number" is meant to encompass all "stand alone" vehicles - that is to say, anything that's primary role isn't troop transport. This covers everything from LRVs to MBTs. The number is assuming an average ratio of "light" to "heavy" vehicles. (So take fewer heavy vehicles than usual, and you can take a lot more light vehicles.) [Edit] Also... I specifically stated that the ATAP LRV was equivilent to a Fennek. There's no excuses for not understanding what my vehicles are damn it! Google/Wiki is your friend! |
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| Noriega | Apr 9 2007, 06:28 PM Post #52 |
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Search Google? But I am le tired! |
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| Noriega | Apr 9 2007, 07:27 PM Post #53 |
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For Air Force, it says that nations with Green/High get more planes. Just how many more? |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Apr 9 2007, 07:34 PM Post #54 |
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Take a look at the other numbers. See a trend? Good. Because it's a guide. If you REALLY want numbers, 50% more than average for having either green or high. 100% more than average if you have both. |
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| Noriega | Apr 9 2007, 07:35 PM Post #55 |
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Wow...thanks. B) |
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| Noriega | Apr 9 2007, 07:58 PM Post #56 |
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OK, so I'll do Velorya. Population: Effectively 5 Billion Army Infantry: 6 million soldiers ( .0012% of my population) Special Forces: 500 thousand soldiers (.0001% of my population) No Militia Therefore, my soldiers would be twice as good as normal, and my special ops would be 6 times as good as normal. Armoured 800 "T-105 Caesar" Main Battle Tanks (equiv. M1 Abrams) 300 Self-Propelled Artillery Units "SPAU-9 Jaguar" (equiv. M109A6 Paladin) 400 Mobile Anti-Aircraft Systems "MAAS-87 Mongoose" (equiv. ADATS MMEV) A number of Infantry Fighting Vehicles and Armoured Personnel Carriers Navy 24 "Cambodia-class" Aircraft Carriers (equiv. CVN78 Ford-class) 6 "Emperor-class" Assault Ships (equiv. BB-67 Montana-class) 288 "Actaeon-class" Destroyers (equiv. DD(X)/DDG-1000 Zumwalt-class) 192 "Mekong-class" Attack/Missile Submarines (equiv. SSN-774 Virginia-class) 144 "Florentius-class" Frigates (equiv. FFG-7 Perry-class) 96 "Sailfish-class" Mine Hunters (equiv. Alta-class) 192 "Phaeton-class" Battlecruisers (equiv. CG(X) Ticonderoga-class) A Number of Patrol Craft, including River Boats and Scout Craft Air Force 1500 "F-12 Hawk" Air Superiority Fighters (equiv. F-22 Raptor) 1500 "F-35 Raptor" VTOL Fighters (equiv. F-35 Lighting II) 40 "F-144 Genesis" Superfighters (equiv. to ten F-22s each) 120 "B-52 Leviathan" Heavy Strategic Bombers (equiv. B-52 Stratofortress) 200 "B-24 Knight" Stealth Bombers (equiv. B-2 Spirit) 100 "C-65 Pioneer" Transport/Cargo Planes (equiv. C-130 Hercules) 40 "C-1000 Mammoth" Amphibious Supertransports (see Spruce Goose) 400 "S-43 Peregrine" Close Air Support Planes (equiv. A-10 Thunderbolt II) 80 "S-130 Spectre" Gunships (equiv. AC-130 Spooky) 1600 "H-55 Mongol" Attack Helicopters (equiv. RAH-66 Comanche) A number of Support Planes and Helicopters |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Apr 10 2007, 05:48 AM Post #57 |
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Remind me not to piss off Velorya. |
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| Noriega | Apr 10 2007, 01:52 PM Post #58 |
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B) Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that I suffer the greatest loss of power due to the changing of systems on the entire forum. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 10 2007, 02:05 PM Post #59 |
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Why is that? |
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| Noriega | Apr 10 2007, 02:06 PM Post #60 |
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Because of my low population. While nations like Romania had 50% more population than I, I had more CPs. Without CPs, and more emphasis on population, I am at a significant disadvantage. Although it may not be as bad as I surmise. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 10 2007, 02:08 PM Post #61 |
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Ah ok, I haven't really compared how I stand the two systems, because well, I've never actually done a full military, believe it or not. The closest was a rough sketch when the CP system first started... |
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| Noriega | Apr 10 2007, 02:14 PM Post #62 |
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:lol: Wel, Al Araam pointed out that he's stronger than I am now, by a lot. :( |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 10 2007, 02:16 PM Post #63 |
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Well, in my case, I think of one weakness which is that I don't have high defense (40+) spending, but have only recently achieved normal defense (20+) spending. Of course, this is also the reason why my CP were less than yours, so this weakness is the same for me in both systems. |
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| Al Araam | Apr 10 2007, 02:19 PM Post #64 |
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Actually, I think I suffer the greatest loss of power under the new system. I was up to something like 615 CPs, which was at the time almost twice Velaroya's posted CP total. That's why I said that Al Araam was much more powerful than Velorya. Under the new system, I think we should be on basically even footing, although I'm not exactly what Velorya's military budget is like. Al Araam is fine for economy and military spending, we're just being held back by our smaller population. Luckily, I have allies with huge populations. :D |
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| Noriega | Apr 10 2007, 02:21 PM Post #65 |
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I had 475, didn't I? :huh: |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 10 2007, 02:24 PM Post #66 |
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lol Nor, I somehow thought you were higher than that... as for me, I was in the 440 range, I believe, last time I posted a count. |
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| Noriega | Apr 10 2007, 02:26 PM Post #67 |
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No, it was 475. I was close to 500 once, but Paradise increased his budget. |
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| Al Araam | Apr 10 2007, 02:43 PM Post #68 |
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The Armed Forces of Al Araam Population: 4,374,000,000 – Effective: 5 billion Military Spending: 47% - High Economy: Frightening - Green Army: 4,000,000 Infantrymen (2x average) 187,000 Special Forces (4x average) 500 V/A-10 'Scimitar' Heavy Tanks 350 V/A-20 'Jambiyah' Medium Tanks 250 V/A-30 'Kindjal' Light Tanks 250 P/L-10 'Trebuchet' Self Propelled Artillery 75 P/L-20 'Mangonel' Multiple Launch Rocket Vehicles 75 P/L-30 'Ballista' Mobile SAM Launchers Navy: 15 Tehran Class Aircraft Carriers 15 Arakhyne Class Assault Ships 300 Khorramabad Class Destroyers 180 Ishandiyar Cruisers 180 Hamadan Class Submarines 150 Esfahan Class Frigates 90 Busheshr Mine Hunters Air Force: 1500 F-10 'Condor' Air Superiority Fighters 500 F-20 'Heron' Close Air Support Fighters 750 H-10 'Scarab' Attack Helicopters 750 H-20 'Moth' Transport Helicopters 200 B-10 'Eagle' Heavy Bombers 120 T-10 'Albatross' Transport Planes 50 S-20 'Sandgrouse' Electronic Warfare Aircraft 50 S-40 'Ibis' Anti-Submarine Warfare Aircraft 20 S-30 'Vulture' High Altitude Radar Aircraft 20 S-50 'Cormorant' Tanker Aircraft 10 S-10 'Kestrel' Spy planes |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Apr 10 2007, 03:04 PM Post #69 |
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Bear in mind that the CP system put an equally great emphasis on population. |
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| Noriega | Apr 10 2007, 03:08 PM Post #70 |
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What is considered "effectively" 5 billion? Because I have a more people than Al Araam, and yet I used numbers of four billion as opposed to five. Would it be fair for me to use the five numbers, or should Al Araam use the four numbers? AND WAIT JUST A COTTON-PICKING MINUTE...I HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAN AL ARAAM!!!??? :o |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 10 2007, 03:09 PM Post #71 |
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I believe the guide said that when the methods call for using billions you could feel free to round to the next billion. E.g., RD could use 7 billion, If I understand properly. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Apr 10 2007, 03:10 PM Post #72 |
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Al Araam rounding up is something of a cheek, because it's intended to help out teh newbs more than anything else. But meh. It's not godmoding thus it is legal. |
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| Noriega | Apr 10 2007, 03:11 PM Post #73 |
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Thanks. ^_^ EDIT: Now that I think of it, Paradise actually loses far more power than I do... |
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| Union | Apr 10 2007, 04:49 PM Post #74 |
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Just an outline so people can say whether or not I'm godmoding. I'm going for a tiny military that's very well trained and powerful in smaller battles, but can be overwhelmed by most nations. Hispanic Military: green economy, low spending Infantry 1,007,100 (.003 of population) (5x better than normal)* 600 vehicles (2x better than average) 450 light tanks (anti infantry/artillery) 50 heavy tanks 60 anti-air 40 recon navy: normal effectiveness 16 aircraft carriers 27 destroyers 22 anti-ship submarines 2 nuclear submarine 20 frigates 38 cruisers 15 mine hunters air force: 700 fighters (2x better than average) 70 bombers (2x better than average) 100 cargo planes (average) 1000 helicopters (average) 100 support aircraft (average) **I'm dividing up my infantry into several categories: guerilla, amphibious, urban, desert, etc. Each division's infantry are 5x better at the terrain they specialize in than average infantry, and 2x on terrain they do not specialize in. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Apr 10 2007, 05:04 PM Post #75 |
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RD and I decided we will switch the Antebellum South account to represent the Byzantine empire, while Antebellum South will be represented by Deuterian. Here is a preliminary military stats sheet. Due to my well known bias against large numbers I have decreased all numbers by 100x so feel free to multiply everything by 100 for comparative purposes. Byzantine Empire Effective total pop: 80,000,000 Army Infantry: 240,000 Special forces/secret police: 10,000 40 light tanks 70 medium tanks 30 heavy tanks 20 missile launchers 20 self-propelled artillery 100 helicopters Navy 5 aircraft carriers 1 battlecruisers 1 battleships 20 destroyers 15 submarines 2 minesweepers Air force: 100 fighters 15 bombers 100 cargo planes 100 support aircraft |
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