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| The World War; Let us discuss...again. | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 4 2007, 09:28 AM (3,418 Views) | |
| Tristan da Cunha | Apr 4 2007, 11:38 AM Post #26 |
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Well, I think the pace of posting will naturally be determined by who is interested in the war, which should be everyone here. But, one can't do anything about the summer lull or things that happen that prevent people from getting on NS regularly. Now, the difficult questions will hit close to heart. What are the outcomes of the war going to be? Everyone loves land and prestige. Nobody likes to lose a war. We all understand that, but nonetheless this is an issue that needs to be resolved. I'm somewhat certain that nobody wants to be on the losing end of a total war situation... that is, nobody wants to be utterly decimated, their lands stripped away by the victors at will, etc. But even with more limited objectives, what outcomes are acceptable to people? A few things right now which I will say for each of my countries. For Antebellum South, I'm willing to fail miserably at war but I won't allow foreign occupation of Antbellum South. So basically, AS could go invade someone, fail to accomplish anything, throw an hissy fit, and go home and cry sour grapes, and sit out the rest of the war as war continues to rage across the world. For my middle eastern nation I'm willing to permanently lose land , especially to Muslims (evocative of the 3rd Crusade situation). For my European land which I'm working out with RD I'm also willing to lose land during the war but that will have to be worked out. |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 4 2007, 11:42 AM Post #27 |
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I'm thinking about doing the civil war after the world war,m which would be a perfect catalyst, with the Kasnyian military weakened. In otherwords, Kasnyia collapses as the various territories go in different directions. |
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| Al Araam | Apr 4 2007, 12:05 PM Post #28 |
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I think that we should wait until we can atleast see the general sides of the World War before attempting to decided who will win or lose on different fronts. Although it's possible for a greatly outclassed force to triumph every once and a while, it's nice to maintain a bit of reality by looking at the likely outcomes of wars before deciding the actual outcomes. That said, I would be fine with basically anything up to temporarily losing land as long as it's done in a plausible manner by a correctly sized force or coalition. Edit: This might include having my government overthrown since the good ayatollah has been ruling for quite some time. |
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| Pascoag | Apr 4 2007, 12:43 PM Post #29 |
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Um what about Fascist Monarchies? |
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| NRE | Apr 4 2007, 12:47 PM Post #30 |
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Well me personally, I've been cooking up a war, but it will be localized only to Asia. It will have elements like WWII but be completely localized to Asia and Asian nations. I have been meaning to write up a brief summary of my idea and send it to all the parties involved but haven't gotten around to it. Personally I'd like to see it happen either before or after a world war since I really don't want to see a lot of outside nations get involved, namely large organizations such as JAUST. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Apr 4 2007, 01:00 PM Post #31 |
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Could go either way, depending on the ruler's temper. Here's a suggestion for the Middle Eastern conflict. A new Saladin-like figure should take control of an Islamic country and unite the Muslims with the aim of driving out the Crusaders. Preferrably this Saladin-like figure emerges from a minor nation (like Sahndaq) rather than a major nation, since great conquerors have a habit of rising from obscure origins like that, which would be a cool feature to preserve in this forum. He uses a combination of diplomacy and militaristic sense to unite the Muslims under him, and invade the Christian held lands of the middle east. The Islamic armies then overrun the Christian kingdoms and the Byzantine empire also goes to war with the Muslims. The latter day Saladin fights all the way to the Byzantine capital where he besieges the city. This fails and he is beaten back, and later the Byzantine emperor and the Muslims sign a peace treaty. Then, the Islamic horde can splinter back into separate countries due to sectarian and political differences. |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 4 2007, 01:00 PM Post #32 |
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Any way it could end up a front on its own within the World War? EDIT- Which direction would they attack, TC? East or West? |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Apr 4 2007, 01:03 PM Post #33 |
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Both, perhaps? |
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| NRE | Apr 4 2007, 01:11 PM Post #34 |
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Because this is a General Discussion about our World War, I'm going to send it to "General Discussions" since really the Inter-Regional Relations forum is for RPs more than OOC topics about our gameplay here. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 4 2007, 01:11 PM Post #35 |
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I think for TC's scenario, the rise of the Saladin-like leader would have to be accompanied by the temporary ousting of some of the Islamic leadership. Much of the current leadership is friendly to the Greeks; perhaps the Saladin-esque leader could lead the ousting of insufficiently radical regimes, and those leaders could go into exile to be restored to their thrones after the war? |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 4 2007, 01:17 PM Post #36 |
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How will the allegiences stack up (in the beginning)? Also, I believe we should get to have a pre-war build up, with movement of forces to various strategic areas, the pull out of forces from other wars (if they so wish), and to have everyone start at close to the same time on all fronts. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Apr 4 2007, 01:34 PM Post #37 |
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I think the old leaders could fade away, and Saladinesque leader should be succeeded by his lieutenant generals after his death, who claim to inherit his mantle. This Saladinesque character shouldn't be "radical" in the modern sense of the word, but very devout and benevolent. Much like the historical Saladin. So he would not be an inherent enemy of Greeks nor Christians, as his purpose would be to restore the honor of Islam, but not destroy his enemies for no reason. He could be either friend or enemy of the Byzantine emperor later, depending on the situation called for by his pursuit of ideal statesmanship and what is good for his nation and people. Conversely, the Byzantine emperor may approach the politics in the same way, so that high level politics may be conducted in this gentlemanly fashion. And consequently other rulers could operate statecraft in the same mindset. |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 4 2007, 01:41 PM Post #38 |
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I like the idea...I really do.... ^_^ Perhaps this Saladin can come to power in a war between himself and the Caliph before the mid east goes to war with others.... |
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| Al Araam | Apr 4 2007, 01:50 PM Post #39 |
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Yes, but how would Saladin defeat the Caliph..? Open war between a warlord from a small country and the greatest military power on earth seems to have a pretty much unavoidable result... I do like the idea though. |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 4 2007, 01:52 PM Post #40 |
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Saladin creates a coup in Al Araam! Al Araam versus Paradise! :D ...well it IS an idea.... This is a good idea..detailing what will happen in each region seperately...then when we put all the puzzle pieces together it can be sorted out and edited... |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Apr 4 2007, 01:54 PM Post #41 |
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He could win the Caliph's trust and become the most powerful warlord under the Caliph, owing his allegiance to the Caliph. In fact he might be so humble and loyal that he never overthrows the Caliph, but always claims to be the Caliph's servant. Eventually the Caliph becomes a figurehead, and this Saladin-esque leader becomes the true power behind the throne. |
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| Shreikland | Apr 4 2007, 01:58 PM Post #42 |
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sounds familiar to the legend of Shreikland's founding, actually that could be brought into it somehow :rolleyes: |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Apr 4 2007, 02:00 PM Post #43 |
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What is the legend of Shreikland's founding? |
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| Shreikland | Apr 4 2007, 02:04 PM Post #44 |
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Sheikland was formed originally as a temporary hippy colony once a year for an event commonly known as Nature Ring (because of the way the camp was arranged with tents starting from the inside and spirraling outwards). Because of how out of the way it was they often spent all thier money getting there and having to work in countrys nearby to earn money for the return trip. Eventually people got tierd of this and decided to settle in the forest for good. The Founder of the camp was called Tomash Sheik and the camp called Sheiktown. Many people settled there when they had had enough of the capatalist countries they had come from and the camp soon grew. After many years the first Electorates were elected with the Sultan called Tomash in the founders honour. After a while serveral neighbouring camps where also formed called High Nervon and Proshash. After a couple of generations of peace arguments broke out over several revered places such as springs, waterfields and perticually old trees. The arguments soon became voilent with skimishes breaking out all over the forest, arms were imported from neighbouring countries and High Nervon was completely slaughtered save for one old man called Siliki Sawakin. The last of his camp he campaigned for peace and was shot in sevaral efforts. Despite this though the voilence started to calm down and Siliki soon started to gain his own followers which he named shamans. The best and brightest of his shamans he took into his "inner ring" with whomn he shared no secrets. After many murders of his followers in protests against the voilence he kidnapped both camp leaders, Sultan Tomash IV and Sultan Proshash II and forced them to resolve there differences by a series of of rules that had to be obeyed in thier day to day life. The first to break a rule lost and his followers would lay down thier arms and be absorbed by the others nation (for by now numbers had increased to such extent that there a multitude of camps and watchposts) peacefully. The challenge lasted for years with each Sultan following the rules to the letter untill one day when one of the followers of Siliki cunningly disguised pretended to be mugged for his gold and silver coins cried for help to each Sultan. Tomash defeated the muggers one of which dropped a gold coin from the sack and he picked it up put it back the sack and handed it back to the man. Proshash however pocketed the gold coin and in doing so broke the first rule in that no-one should have any un-neccesary meterial possesions. Tomash was pronounced victor and supreme and undoubtable Sultan, Proshash in a fit of rage killed Siliki, Proshash then instantly fell dead. Silikis death was mourned for twenty year and pronounced as a Messiah-Saint, the new capital was named after him. His beliefs and the rules of the challenge written down so that everyone could follow his example in life for he had lived for well over 200 years. In the next decade or so Siliki's rules fast became a religion named after his first name as his second was already taken. Since then many Sultans have passed, many good, many bad, some clever, some stupid. I love copy and paste :P |
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| Shreikland | Apr 4 2007, 02:10 PM Post #45 |
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obvoiusly its a lot more localised version, Shreikland rather than the whole world but one man uniting a squabbling nation/region/world sounds familiar plus my legend is poorly written, i tried to make it sound in a historical style and it went wrong :huh: :P |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 4 2007, 02:33 PM Post #46 |
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So perhaps the Salah al-Din character can be a Shrieklander? |
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| Shreikland | Apr 4 2007, 02:39 PM Post #47 |
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or if not some of my people, beleiving he is the Saint-Messiah re-born, will follow him across the world following him to the promised land as our myths foretell :P EDIT: YAY! 100th post |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 4 2007, 02:42 PM Post #48 |
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By the way, apart from the Saladin idea, are there any alternative tangents the Mideast can go? |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Apr 4 2007, 02:45 PM Post #49 |
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Sure, do you have any ideas? |
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| Kasnyia | Apr 4 2007, 02:53 PM Post #50 |
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I was thinking some sort of violent revolution that breaks out in one of the powerful Mideast nations, which spills into othern ations until there is a mass civil war in the region..after the dust settles, we have a radically different set of rulers... |
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