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Land and Other Arguments; Split for ECM
Topic Started: Mar 30 2007, 09:52 PM (205 Views)
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Spain is open!!!

:o

Wow. I'm really tempted to start from scratch with an Iberian nation. Fatherland and all that.

EDIT: In fact, I'm going to create a new account. I only took Novistrana because there was no real space in Iberia, and I play as Novistrana on a different forum as well, and would like a change of scenery.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Hispania
Mar 30 2007, 11:38 PM

I'll give you part of that.
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It's smaller than my old area in Novistrana... And smaller than Pascoag. And the Russian Empire. About the size of Quon and Free Britain. About the size of Germany. The map is empty, I don't see the big deal with giving me that plot is...

<_<

And then turn to North America. Smaller than most of them. Asia, smaller than most of them. Africa, smaller than most of them. It's not big, or oversized, and trying to make that claim is a bit... unecessary. Besides, if I claim a smaller portion, all I would have to do is RP a small expansion, like countless others do, and that would be done. What's the point? Just give it to me at the start...

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Mar 31 2007, 09:11 AM
It's smaller than my old area in Novistrana... And smaller than Pascoag. And the Russian Empire. About the size of Quon and Free Britain. About the size of Germany. The map is empty, I don't see the big deal with giving me that plot is...

<_<

And then turn to North America. Smaller than most of them. Asia, smaller than most of them. Africa, smaller than most of them. It's not big, or oversized, and trying to make that claim is a bit... unecessary. Besides, if I claim a smaller portion, all I would have to do is RP a small expansion, like countless others do, and that would be done. What's the point? Just give it to me at the start...

Don't question the mapmaker's judgment. He might decide to give you a single city.
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It's absurd though. Plenty of nations have huge territory, and smaller populations (like Eleytheria) than I do. I want a smaller territory than I had to begin with, and I'm being told its too big...
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Tristan da Cunha
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It's not impossible to live with a small land area. In fact the Netherlands was a tiny country, yet it was approximately the most powerful country in the world in the mid-1600s. It is often claimed that more land = more prestige. No, obviously.

In my opinion, the most important things affecting RP are, in order:

1) RP skill
2) Interesting nation concept
3) Writing skill
4) Number of CPs

If you're in the game for land, you'll get bored real quick. Because frankly a few extra pixels on the map shouldn't be as exciting or interesting as a well-written thread of politics and/or warfare.

If it were up to me I'd shrink everyone's territory. But, mostly, what is done is done and I can't do anything about it. Luckily for everyone, some responsible people have actually agreed to give up some of their land, in the interest of not sprawling all over the place in an unsightly mess, and in the interest of freeing up more spots on the map.

Hispania
Mar 31 2007, 11:16 AM
It's absurd though. Plenty of nations have huge territory, and smaller populations (like Eleytheria) than I do. I want a smaller territory than I had to begin with, and I'm being told its too big...


There are plenty of nations with big populations and tiny land areas. Bangladesh has 200 million people, yet is the size of New Mexico which has 2 million people. That situation is quite realistic, and wouldn't be absurd or else it wouldn't exist every day on the real earth. You actually said so yourself a few weeks ago in the African Map Comments thread:

Novistrana
Mar 5 2007, 07:57 PM
Size really has little to do with how many people you have. Kazakhstan. Algeria. Mongolia.


Besides, a coastal area in Spain could be considered to be worth more than landlocked arctic extremities in northern Russia. A little bit of land in Spain should be considered better than a lot of land located above the Arctic circle. That said, the "worth" of your land doesn't affect your RPs in the least bit; you could have land in the most barren part of the Sahara desert yet your RPs could be entirely interesting and engaging. See Sutekh-te-Ankh.

And also, I have to clamp down on expansions. Expansions can't be given away as if everyone has a "right" to an expansion. Expansions should need IC approval from other countries in the game. If there are any powerful countries opposing your expansion and can go to war to prevent your expansion, then you shouldn't be allowed to expand. So if you really want to expand, you'll have to be diplomatically and militarily more astute, which is what this game is all about. An RP involving multiple nations disputing an expansion is a much better story than a one-person RP about an uncontested expansion. This was the way we've always been doing things around here, since the days of Patrua, until someone overthrew our traditions and came up with the unwise notion that everyone has a "right" to an expansion.

As for the new nation of Hispania, I'm quite excited as to what it's going to be like. I see you've got the Aragonese flag up and everything, and you seem quite enthusiastic about the subject of Spanish history. Therefore I very much look forward to the RPs you think up for Hispania. But I have to insist that Hispania start out with less land. Which part of your land claim do you want to keep, the northern part or the southern part? I assume it's going to be the South due to your Catalan flag but it's up to you.
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Caronicilia
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oops. Don't I feel like a dumbass.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Please do not publically state your claims on CE's land. You can make plans privately, but until CE's absence is confirmed no action can be taken with his land.
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Caronicilia
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I'm sorry, I was unaware. :shy:
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Noriega
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Yeah, I was just gonna say...

Although I'm a bit surprised that we are taking reservations on CE's land before the month grace period ends, TC. :rolleyes:
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Tristan da Cunha
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Well, I can't prevent people from telling me their long-term RP ideas.
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Noriega
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Mar 31 2007, 08:42 PM
Well, I can't prevent people from telling me their long-term RP ideas.

As long as they aren't exclusive reservations, it's ok. If its just someone letting you know that they are interested in a certain parcel of land, no big deal. I misunderstood. :)
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1) RP skill
2) Interesting nation concept
3) Writing skill
4) Number of CPs


I think it's safe to say I develop my natiosn much mroe than the vast majority of the people on this forum :lol:
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Apr 3 2007, 11:41 AM
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1) RP skill
2) Interesting nation concept
3) Writing skill
4) Number of CPs


I think it's safe to say I develop my natiosn much mroe than the vast majority of the people on this forum :lol:

Is it? Seniority doesn't apply in this case, and I also must point out that a precedent has already been set when it comes to awarding land to new nations. Latviska requested a large amount of land, and TC denied him as well. Perhaps you should follow Latviska's example and name the area that is most integral to your nation's story rather then challenging the mapmaker over his decision.
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I accepted it didn't I?

I was just saying. Not a challenge at all.
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lebowski2123
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:shy: Didn't see where you accepted, my mistake. :shy:
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lebowski2123
Apr 3 2007, 12:57 PM
:shy: Didn't see where you accepted, my mistake. :shy:

Earlier in the thread, Hispania wrote:
Hispania
Mar 31 2007, 02:26 PM
Give me the modern day Aragon, Catalonia, and Valencian provinces then.


That was where he accepted the decision.
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Hispania
Apr 3 2007, 11:41 AM
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1) RP skill
2) Interesting nation concept
3) Writing skill
4) Number of CPs


I think it's safe to say I develop my natiosn much mroe than the vast majority of the people on this forum :lol:

No, you really don't...

Have you read the wiki?
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Kasnyia
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You're more developed than the rest of us, Novi? Please go into detail on how so...I want to hear this arguement....

And if we could split topic....
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Apr 3 2007, 03:58 PM
You're more developed than the rest of us, Novi? Please go into detail on how so...I want to hear this arguement....

And if we could split topic....

Or how about starting a new topic instead of continung this tangent and then requesting a split?
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Kasnyia
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Too lazy, I would retort ( :lol: :P ), but more importantly, there are many points that have been made on the subject that seem redundant to do over again in a whole new thread without the posts from here.
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Apr 3 2007, 01:02 PM
Kasnyia
Apr 3 2007, 03:58 PM
You're more developed than the rest of us, Novi? Please go into detail on how so...I want to hear this arguement....

And if we could split topic....

Or how about starting a new topic instead of continung this tangent and then requesting a split?

But if everyone did that RD that would put you G-mods out of a job :lol: :P j/k
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Apr 3 2007, 04:08 PM
Too lazy, I would retort ( :lol: :P ), but more importantly, there are many points that have been made on the subject that seem redundant to do over again in a whole new thread without the posts from here.

What important points? There have just been people challenging his claim and saying he doesn't develop his nation more than most people here. There is no legitimate reason why this couldn't simply be made a new topic.

NRE: :lol: Well, every Doctor or Government Official (and in this case that would be mods) should hope that he is as little needed as possible, IMO.
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Apr 3 2007, 09:41 AM
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1) RP skill
2) Interesting nation concept
3) Writing skill
4) Number of CPs


I think it's safe to say I develop my natiosn much mroe than the vast majority of the people on this forum :lol:

I call bullshit.
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