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OOC: The Mayaztekan Commonwealth; An Experiment
Topic Started: Dec 3 2006, 12:34 AM (352 Views)
East Anarx
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OOC: The Mayaztekan Commonwealth is a truly unique system. It is made up of many "governments" that have no territorial monopoly or enforced membership and they compete for "citizens." If a "citizen" doesn't like the "government" he's under, he can decide to subscribe to a different "government." As long as you live in Mayazteka and have access to enough wealth to provide for your "citizen's" needs and desires, you can form a "government" and join in on the market competing for "citizens."

I'm going to make this similar to the Nagian Parliament in that I'm going to allow other players to join in on the ruling of this nation and allow them to create "governments" as a part of the commonwealth. The "governments" will have to deal with issues that arise on a case-by-case basis and in doing so will compete for the "citizens" of Mayazteka. They'll also have to adjudicate disputes that one of their "citizens" might have with another "government's" citizens. I won't even control a single "government", I'll leave it up to you guys and I'll only control the people and decide how many will choose which government and so forth.

Any player can make a government, so come on, make one today!

This thread will be used for discussing how this system will work and if I get enough people who want to participate, then I'll implement it IC.
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Also, if you do decide to make a "government," then it would be in your best interest to listen to this short audio file that talks about a system that is precisely the same as the Mayaztekan system. It takes a while to get started talking about the actual system, but when it gets around to it, it describes in great detail how it would work. Plus, it's narrated by a guy with a spiffy Austrian accent.
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Hmm. I remember wanting to establish a Vetan government there, but I dropped that idea. Hmm...can I start a tribal government called "The Old Maya"?
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Quaon
Dec 3 2006, 08:48 AM
Hmm. I remember wanting to establish a Vetan government there, but I dropped that idea. Hmm...can I start a tribal government called "The Old Maya"?

Sure, just draw up a contract or something for the citizens to sign and become a part of your government.
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I, the Undersigned, agree to the following terms.

That I shall recognize the Tribal Chief Pacal and his decendents upon his death as the rulers of the Tribe of Old Maya. I shall recognize his rulings as law that affects all who have signed this document. I agree to never question the Tribal Chief's actions, and agree to practice the Mayan religion for my entire life.
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Let's see...

The Militarist Republic of Carao.

Essentially a giant fortress-state where all citizens are soldiers and are treated and respected as such. A mercenary republic.

"I, the undersigned, hereby acknoledge myself as a soldier of Carao, to follow all displines and proceedures as such. I will swear my allegiance to Generalisimo Russelldinho Mario Rosario, aka "Ol' Ripnasty". I will honor all orders he gives, all missions he sends me on, and expect to be paid for services by the client."
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Okay, I'm gonna do the citizens by percent.

So far:

No Government/Personal Sovereignty: 98%
The Old Maya under Tribal Chief Pacal: 1%
Militarist Republic of Carao under "Ol' Ripnasty": 1%

By seeing how many people react to your judgements, you can decide what kind of a government to be. If you do something the citizens don't like, you probably won't be able to get many more citizens to join.

Hint - Something people don't like is a government that once you join says you can't leave. While it may be good for you to have a base of citizens that can't leave and thus guarantee you a percent of the population that will never leave no matter how much you oppress them, most people aren't that stupid and it may cause you to have less people joining your government.

Note that every time you change your contract, the citizens have to resign it.
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OOC- What about me? I'm not forcing anyone to stay...
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Kasnyia
Dec 3 2006, 02:17 PM
OOC- What about me? I'm not forcing anyone to stay...

Right, but when you say that have to do what you say no matter what. I mean, follow out ALL orders, then people don't like that. They like knowing that there are some orders that they don't have to follow. You may get some, but you probably won't get very many.
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It's a mercenary state, I meant military orders. Ol Ripnasty doesn;t care what they do apart from that.
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Dec 3 2006, 02:15 PM
Okay, I'm gonna do the citizens by percent.

So far:

No Government/Personal Sovereignty: 98%
The Old Maya under Tribal Chief Pacal: 1%
Militarist Republic of Carao under "Ol' Ripnasty": 1%

By seeing how many people react to your judgements, you can decide what kind of a government to be. If you do something the citizens don't like, you probably won't be able to get many more citizens to join.

Hint - Something people don't like is a government that once you join says you can't leave. While it may be good for you to have a base of citizens that can't leave and thus guarantee you a percent of the population that will never leave no matter how much you oppress them, most people aren't that stupid and it may cause you to have less people joining your government.

Note that every time you change your contract, the citizens have to resign it.

Meh. Old Maya's supposed to be a group of fanatical Mayans who sacrafice people to their Gods. I don't care how many followers tehy get.
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Kasnyia
Dec 3 2006, 02:19 PM
It's a mercenary state, I meant military orders. Ol Ripnasty doesn;t care what they do apart from that.

Then be specific. People don't want to sign something that is so broad and open-ended like that. Remember, the alternative to whatever you are providing, besides other governments, is personal sovereignty, so you have to prove to people that what you're providing is better than that.
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Can we do this like Nag where you have three governments?
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Quaon
Dec 3 2006, 02:22 PM
Can we do this like Nag where you have three governments?

What do you mean?

EDIT: Oh, nvm, I see what you mean, yeah, you can have as many governments as you want.
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OOC- Fine, fine...

IC-

"I, the Undersigned, hereby acknoledge the authority of Generalissimo Russelldinho Mario Rosario (aka, "Ol' Ripnasty") as a soldier of the Militarist Republic of Curao. I will be provided housing in the military barracks of my choice. I will train as needed and specifiyed by the Government. As such, I will follow every and all military orders given by the Generalissimo, I will absolutely participate in all conflicts that have been prepaid for in full to the Mercenary Army of Curao, will participate in any conflict guarenteed pay, and may participate in any conflicts pro bono. I recognize that I am free, within reason of not disrupting others, to do whatever I wish outside of my military duties. I also recognize that I may leave anytime I wish, except when involved in a prepaid operation. The Government of Ol' Ripnasty may also terminate the contract if they so wish."
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The Free Paradise of the City State of Gelrog.

Background: Gelrog is a small group of villages entirely owned by Jacob Gelrog Emanneul.

I, the Undersigned, agree to the following contract.

Those who sign this document shall hereafter be reffered to as citizens.

-All citizens will be given free lodging in the Free Paradise of the City State of Gelrog (hereafter referred to as Gelrog).
-All citizens will be given free access to all roads in Gelrog.
-All citizens may set up whatever buisnesses they want and will not be taxed in any manner besides those mentioned below.
-All citizens must, one day per two months, work as laborers for the benefit of Gelrog. Citizens may pay five thousand dollars US per two months to the Gelrog government need not do this work.
-All citizens over the age of 16 have the right to vote in Gelrog parliamentary elections once per year. They also may run for parliament.
-All citizens must recognize Jacob Gelrog Emanneul as Governor of Gelrog and owner of all territory within not explicity owned by citizens therein.
-All citizens must recognize the court of Gelrogs rulings in regards to disputes between Gelrog citizens.
-Citizens may terminate this contract at anytime, as may the government.
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OOC: lol pickin on poor Kas, shame on you! Give the poor guy a candy bar or something THEN break rules to him, he'll be more agreeable. :P

Oh E, later on my IC Nation will be supporting the "One way ticket to Esternarx" as kinda like a reward to the Esternarxian Volunteers for helping, thought you would wanna know that.
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You know, I'd expect Empires like Kasynia or France to set up governments here.
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OOC- I was thinking about Kasnyia doing it...at first...but then I realized, as expansionist as Kasnyia is, we don't just expand ANYWHERE, nor do we do so randomly. Besides, they have bigger fish to fry in terms of territorial possesion....
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Personal Sovereignty/No Government: 89%
Old Maya: 1%
Gelrog: 6%
Carao: 4%
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4? Whaaaat, come on...they can do whatever they want outside of military duties...

EDIT-

Posted Image

Generalissimo "Ol' Ripnasty" Rosario.
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Esternarx
Dec 3 2006, 03:09 PM
Personal Sovereignty/No Government: 89%
Old Maya: 1%
Gelrog: 6%
Carao: 4%

Gelrog only has 6%? C'mon, we give you a free house and stuff and we let you do whatever the Hell you want except once per two months!
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Hey, Mayazteka was founded by former Esternarxians, they are still extremely liberty-oriented and individualist. You need to provide greater incentives than that to persuade them. Besides, that's 4 and 6 percent of 1.6 billion, that's still a lot, and if you think about it, they are completely consenting, so those few millions are completely unanimously choosing your government over the alternatives.
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You got a point. Ah well, if it becomes successful, you guys get a most interesting person to deal with..Ol' Ripnasty. If the state fails, then the Cardinal will be making a call.
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Kasnyia
Dec 3 2006, 06:27 PM
You got a point. Ah well, if it becomes successful, you guys get a most interesting person to deal with..Ol' Ripnasty. If the state fails, then the Cardinal will be making a call.

What state? :P
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