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JAUST Discussion; Debate & Mandate
Topic Started: Dec 2 2006, 10:15 PM (5,230 Views)
Eleytheria-Duo
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Eleytheria-Duo's Mandate to the treaty is to be an observer to international actions and to participate with its allies to ensure a peaceful world regardless of the impossibility of the task.

It hopes to contribute to JAUST by providing advice, and its small military arsenal to protect its friends, and to provide humanitarian aid to suffering and diseased, war ravaged, etc., countries.
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flumes
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Expansionist Colombia is interested in joining, not for sure yet though...
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Out of curiosity, how are CP's handled within JAUST. Are member nations required to provide for an alliance army, or is this independent nations allied with seperate military's?
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Dec 2 2006, 11:25 PM
Expansionist Colombia is interested in joining, not for sure yet though...
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Out of curiosity, how are CP's handled within JAUST. Are member nations required to provide for an alliance army, or is this independent nations allied with seperate military's?

The JAUST Treaty Organization merely binds the countries together through mandatory protection of ones allies and basic rights to each others transports, etc.

Each and every member of the treaty has his or her own military and in no way does JAUST provide any military bonus itself, there's no CP bonuses or so on for joining, when an outside Nation not apart of JAUST attacks a member of the treaty, it is considered a declaration of war on ALL signing members, thus throwing everyone in the JAUST Alliance into war with the attacker(s), this is the main bonus to military the treaty provides.
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Basically, if someone were to attack say... france. All the members would go in and support france against the aggressor Flumes. Same for you. Or me, whoever.

IC: The Assassination Army has discussed and debated the usefullness of this treaty. In light of Kasnyia, and Eleytheria-Duo already being signing members, and the respect we have for both nations... it is our decision to sign as well and support these nations we have come to call friends.
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Dec 3 2006, 03:13 PM
Basically, if someone were to attack say... france. All the members would go in and support france against the aggressor Flumes. Same for you. Or me, whoever.

IC: The Assassination Army has discussed and debated the usefullness of this treaty. In light of Kasnyia, and Eleytheria-Duo already being signing members, and the respect we have for both nations... it is our decision to sign as well and support these nations we have come to call friends.

OOC:
Yes, it's basically the same as every defensive treaty ever created. It's not an international organization, it's just a group of nations bound together by a treaty.
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OOC: Basically. But, I seem to like this one more than the others thus far. Its worded very nicely. Plus, I dont want the HL to be my only alliance because we all know... The Assassins dont really follow the church 100% all the time.
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Al Araam
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Dec 3 2006, 03:22 PM
OOC: Basically. But, I seem to like this one more than the others thus far. Its worded very nicely. Plus, I dont want the HL to be my only alliance because we all know... The Assassins dont really follow the church 100% all the time.

OOC:
I agree it is worded quite nicely. All I'm saying is that this is nothing revolutionary, especially Article One. That's basically the same clause included in every mutual defense treaty ever created. I'll just assume that it's IC bravado, although Al Araam does not care enough about a North American mutual defense pact to pull the first article of the BP and refute that claim.

Articles one, two, five, and six are very much standard. Article Three seems to be an attempt to skirt the transport CP rules. I suppose it can be handled as military aid, but athat would mean the lending nation would have to pay the full 'cost'. Article Four grants a right to do something that one could do without the treaty's assistance, but I suppose it helps divide costs.

As always, the most important part of any treaty is which nations choose to sign it.
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OOC: Thats another reason why I wanted to sign. One, because Kas has been a long time ally of AA. We've never had any treaty to say so, but this is a good opportunity to do so. Also, E-D has thus far been friendly and open with AA. GNF we arent crazy about, but we'll give them a chance. And we havent really delt with Bess yet, so this will be a good chance to. Those are the Assassin reasons. OOC reasons: I like the way E-D writes. And I wanted to support this treaty IC and OOC. Thus, I signed. Good stuff.
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Great New France
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IC: We are very much thrilled by this new treaty. As again, in recognition for our strong and enduring relationship with both Eleytheria-Duo whom we have helped in times of hardship, and Kasnyia as well, we have unanimously decided to ratify and sign this important treaty and do everything we can to further strengthen this alliance of free and democratic nations.

Mélanie Argimon, Foreign Minister of the Empire of Great New France
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The Kasnyians wholeheartedly support the acension of the Assassin Nation to JAUST.

OOC-

Yeah, we're allies and never had any treaties..

This shall be good.
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Assassin
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OOC: Does this mean I'm in, or do I need more members to support my entry before I'm 'in'?
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Great New France
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Dec 3 2006, 12:24 PM
OOC: Does this mean I'm in, or do I need more members to support my entry before I'm 'in'?

Should be in, probably... We're all backing your membership.
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OOC: Just checking. ^_^
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Great New France
Dec 3 2006, 12:28 PM
The Assassination Army
Dec 3 2006, 12:24 PM
OOC: Does this mean I'm in, or do I need more members to support my entry before I'm 'in'?

Should be in, probably... We're all backing your membership.

OOC: Votes go by Majority a lot like a democratic election, there was 2 Yea's Vs 0 Nay's, until now ... 3 Yea's due to support from Eleytheria-Duo thus confirming the entry of the Assassin Nation into JAUST, welcome to the club ya' big turkey, as for Flumes, I'm a little wary due to his rather poor relations with the Holy League, whom I've been trying to strengthen ties with, although I confess we don't agree on everything, they've shown tremendous support for me in the Civil War scenario (which I am getting closer to completing if I can get more people to post so I know I am not RP'ing by myself).

IC: The Republic of Eleytheria-Duo welcomes the Assassin Nation into the JAUST Treaty, although your recent aggressive status in North America has been noted and thus worrysome, we believe you did not launch the war to cause ill or harm and in fact done so for the better intentions of everyone, therefore we once more considering opening trade between our two Nations, as Eleytheria-Duo is a Privatized economy excluding Uranium, all business transactions can be handled by the Citizens of our Republic if you agree.

OOC: I hate trying to micro manage trade when you got everything else going on in other RP's -- it's confusing and I am no economist so ... lets pretend its just sorta happening and leave it at that, eh?
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Kasnyia
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OOC- Yeah, trade is usually a given, so we never RP it (though I did attemot to set up a thread in Asia to show any important (for RP purposes) buy outs or anything like that.).
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Dec 3 2006, 03:02 PM
OOC- Yeah, trade is usually a given, so we never RP it (though I did attemot to set up a thread in Asia to show any important (for RP purposes) buy outs or anything like that.).

OOC: Dude, Micromanagement sucks with trade -- I was in the process of RPing trade with Nag Ehgoeg and he sends me this HUGE list of stuff to "Help" me, and it actually confused me more and I was like "The hell with it..."
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Kasnyia
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OOC- Hence hwy we never bother with such cumbersome details. The point is to have fun not to run your own nation as hindered by RL.....
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OOC: I agree, lets not RP the finer details and leave it as a general trade agreement. I hate to nit-pick over the small stuff. :rolleyes:
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Eleytheria-Duo
Dec 3 2006, 03:07 PM
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Dec 3 2006, 03:02 PM
OOC- Yeah, trade is usually a given, so we never RP it (though I did attemot to set up a thread in Asia to show any important (for RP purposes) buy outs or anything like that.).

OOC: Dude, Micromanagement sucks with trade -- I was in the process of RPing trade with Nag Ehgoeg and he sends me this HUGE list of stuff to "Help" me, and it actually confused me more and I was like "The hell with it..."

OOC: Back in the good old days we micromanaged everything... why I remember one time... *time passes* And I had an onion in my belt! Now where was I? Oh yes... Did I ever tell you young wipper snappers about the time I... *more time passes*

Keeping trades simple is a good thing. I was just under the impression that the newbie wanted to go into a little bit more detail than normal. Don't blame me, he started it!
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And again, Nag proves that he will bring an end to all mankind.
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Eleytheria-Duo
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I propose we add a new Article to the JAUST Alliance, under the new article proposed it will clarify that JAUST is a Defense Military Treaty and not an aggressive expansionist treaty as some may argue or try to use it as such.

The new Article (VII) will state that any member apart of JAUST that attacks an outside nation will NOT draw all members of the treaty into war against the nation he attacked -- however the Aggressive JAUST member may request for other JAUST Members assistance and helping the aggressor member is voluntary, this does not in any way Nullify Article I that clearly states an aggressive outside nation declaring war on a JAUST Member will be considered a declaration of war on all JAUST Participants.

As I am the one who proposed this Article; I may not vote Yea or Nay for it, this will be left to the majority of the JAUST members to decide.

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This proposal was posted on 12/4/06 at 5:51 West Coast USA time and 8:51 East Coast USA time
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Kasnyia
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Yay.
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The Assassination Army votes YEA on the proposal.
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We resolutely vote Yea to this proposal.

Didier Leroy, Advisor to Foreign Minister Mélanie Argimon of the Empire of Great New France
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Majority Votes Achieved on Proposed Article VII, 3 Yea's, 0 Nay's, and 1 Vote Absent (So Far).

Article VII will take Immediate effect on all JAUST Members and future joining members.

Edit- JAUST Treaty Updated on 12/4/06 at 6:14 PM West Coast USA Time and 9:14 PM East Coast USA Time.
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