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| Debate on Anarcho-Communism | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 28 2006, 08:09 PM (155 Views) | |
| Quaon | Jul 28 2006, 08:09 PM Post #1 |
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Heh, I just had a new debate topic, and since we've talked about anarcho-captalism, I'd figure we should give communism a go. Basically, its the same as anarcho-captalism, no government, etc., but all work for the benefit of the community. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jul 28 2006, 08:17 PM Post #2 |
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I don't that's really as much of a possibility. Anarcho-capitalism is based on the premise that each actor in the system follows his own self-interest. That allows for any possible motive, and requires nothing that isn't inherent in each person. However anarcho-communism, as you defined it, would require people to act a common interest. First of all, without a government, there would be nobody to decide what that common interest is, so it would be a matter of opinion. Second, this presumes a motive in each person, whereas anarcho-capitalism allows for any motive. Finally, the attempts at Communist societies have always been characterized by the realization that man, as he was, simply wasn't going to naturally be a good Communist. Hence, the brutal attempts at creating a New Soviet Man or a New Maoist Man. That was the reason for the State in the Soviet system. To make society sufficiently Communist so that it wouldn't be necessary. And that is why, in my opinion, Communism is fundamentally flawed. It need to dictate human nature, and thus, it necessiates totalitarianism. I don't think anarcho-communism is a real possibility, except in one case. That would be when a group of like-minded invidividuals within a greater society set up a commune of their own. But I don't think it can sustain a whole society. |
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| East Anarx | Jul 28 2006, 08:18 PM Post #3 |
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The Death Wish of the Anarcho-Communists |
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| Paradise | Jul 28 2006, 08:45 PM Post #4 |
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As far as I know, no "anarchic" political system is viable. The State will always have its utility. Anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism are just... impossible. Marx is very clear about this. You first need a proletariate dictatorship for some time to "teach" (or rather brainwash) your citizens and prepare them for communism (= marxist communism = anarcho-communism). Even if it happens, anarcho-communism is based on the assumption that human nature is good and that it is the society that corrupts the individual. So, the debate should rather be on the human nature, not on anarcho-communism itself. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jul 28 2006, 08:47 PM Post #5 |
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I agree Paradise. I think you are greatly right. |
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| Paradise | Jul 28 2006, 08:48 PM Post #6 |
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I read the Communist Party manifesto some years ago. It's rather far in my memory, but I think I remember the key points :P |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jul 28 2006, 08:58 PM Post #7 |
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I've had to read it three times: once in high school, twice in college. |
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| New Harumf | Jul 28 2006, 10:05 PM Post #8 |
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I've only read it for enjoyment, I never HAD to read it. Now, you want anarcho-communism, come visit the Amish Children!! Or rural China - 900,000,000 empverished chinese can't be wrong. The revolution was for them, said Mao, now, there are 400,000,000 chinese haves, and 900,000,000 chinese have nots! My money, in the long run, is on the have nots!! |
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| Catholic Europe | Jul 29 2006, 03:46 AM Post #9 |
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Not possible. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Jul 29 2006, 06:01 AM Post #10 |
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Ditto. Having trouble tracking down Mein Kampf. |
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| Quaon | Jul 29 2006, 06:27 AM Post #11 |
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I like anarcho-communism even less than anarcho-captalism, I just wanted to put the idea out there. |
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| New Harumf | Jul 29 2006, 09:00 AM Post #12 |
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It's in the window of the bookstore in my office building, but any liberal arts school should have it in their bookstore! |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jul 29 2006, 11:59 AM Post #13 |
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Complete Mein Kamppf posted online: http://www.mondopolitico.com/library/meinkampf/toc.htm |
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| New Harumf | Jul 29 2006, 04:38 PM Post #14 |
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I had trouble finding De Sade's books, until I found out my cousin did a thesis on them! |
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| The CNNP | Jul 30 2006, 10:45 AM Post #15 |
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Anarcho-Communism is an oxymoron. Two VERY polar opposites being one...can I say a civil war would exist within the government. ^_^ |
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| Quaon | Jul 30 2006, 01:40 PM Post #16 |
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Anarcho-communism=no government. |
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| East Anarx | Jul 30 2006, 04:33 PM Post #17 |
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Any word with the prefix "anarcho" in it essentially means no government. But that doesn't mean that anarchic nations don't have any form of leadership. Theoretically, in an anarcho-communist nation, everyone would be equal and all decisions would be both collective and unanimous. Everybody would work for everybody and no one would keep anything for themselves. It would require humanity to become angelic and throw aside all notions of individuality and personal choice in favor of the welfare of society as a whole. |
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| Paradise | Jul 30 2006, 05:22 PM Post #18 |
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So, if they choose freely to work for the society as a whole, they throw aside freedom? It doesn't make any sense... |
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| East Anarx | Jul 30 2006, 05:39 PM Post #19 |
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Fixed. |
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| Filo | Jul 31 2006, 12:30 PM Post #20 |
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The trubles of comunism is the reality of this world. Paradise, as any religion can teach you, is not for this world but for the next. When the comunist parties try to applied(very misguided) the head-lines of Marx(that was a Philosopher and not a politician) found some "difficulties". How solve them? well by dictature! Don't say Marx that the comunism is dictature of proletiariat? well enforce it in my person ! Marxist theories work in long times and in some countries where them are been applied(as Sweden and Norway) they work well. But when they are been apllied to the lecter are bringer of pain and Sorrows. Cuba was onather state where they may work with some good exist if America lift embargo, we should have the possibility to see if this is true or not. Lenin, Mao and others read Marx as the Bibble or Kuran and try to applied it to the world with the result we know(that are the same of trying to applied the holy books to evrey day life). In Theory Anarcho-comunism have the numbers to work, because there are not dictator-like powers above the society, and, in theory, evrery people in this state should be work for the common good...but hey boys this is the real world!! |
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