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Men don't cry
Topic Started: Jul 20 2006, 10:01 AM (450 Views)
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Suicide is a cheap way out. :angry: I will always frown upon it. Most people commit suicide for far less than what is being implied and there are numerous people who have lived through events in their lives and they don't commit suicide. Suicide should NEVER be an option. That is God's job and his alone.
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Jul 22 2006, 08:54 AM
Suicide is a cheap way out. :angry: I will always frown upon it. Most people commit suicide for far less than what is being implied and there are numerous people who have lived through events in their lives and they don't commit suicide. Suicide should NEVER be an option. That is God's job and his alone.

Fine, I already know you believe that people don't own their own bodies, and I disagree, but I won't press that point. Lemme get this straight though: If someone is terminally ill and in unbelievable physical, emotional, and psychological pain, you would still frown upon them for taking their own life?
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I don't believe in psychological or emotional pain. Yes, I would frown upon them for taking their own life. If that be the case, then everyone can just start killing themselves out of anxiety...it doesn't make sense to me. Physical pain, I will admit I am torn on. I would hope that no one would have to go through that, but I am not naive on the subject. It is still not justified for their taking their own life, but hopefully with more research, we can produce the proper pain medications necessary for pain treatments. Hopefully...
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I'd say there's a line between suicide and euthanasia. If someone's terminally ill, and they're in pain, with no hope of recovery, why prolong that pain? Also, if they're a vegetable who can't feed themselves, and its pretty obvious that they have too much brain damage ever to recover, I think that we should not play God by keeping them alive.

Suicide, though, is a different matter. While I don't think it should be punishable by jail time or even by a fine (what a fine way to convince someone they're useless: fine them because they weren't able to kill themselves), I do think that people who are suicidal should recieve counceling and help, and they should be prevented from killing themselves. But making it illegal seems a bit much.
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Jul 22 2006, 09:45 AM
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Jul 22 2006, 08:54 AM
Suicide is a cheap way out. :angry: I will always frown upon it.  Most people commit suicide for far less than what is being implied and there are numerous people who have lived through events in their lives and they don't commit suicide.  Suicide should NEVER be an option.  That is God's job and his alone.

Fine, I already know you believe that people don't own their own bodies, and I disagree, but I won't press that point. Lemme get this straight though: If someone is terminally ill and in unbelievable physical, emotional, and psychological pain, you would still frown upon them for taking their own life?

The problem is doctor's are afraid to perscribe appropriate levels of narcotics for pain relief in terminally ill patients. Had an uncle dying of lung cancer, and he was in aweful pain. Someone asked him why he wouldn't increase the morphine - his response, "Well, it's adictive, and we don't want that." What a dumb ass. Later I found out there could be legal consequences if the death could be attributed to an OD! He was just covering his ass.
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Jul 22 2006, 09:45 AM
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Jul 22 2006, 08:54 AM
Suicide is a cheap way out. :angry: I will always frown upon it.  Most people commit suicide for far less than what is being implied and there are numerous people who have lived through events in their lives and they don't commit suicide.  Suicide should NEVER be an option.  That is God's job and his alone.

Fine, I already know you believe that people don't own their own bodies, and I disagree, but I won't press that point. Lemme get this straight though: If someone is terminally ill and in unbelievable physical, emotional, and psychological pain, you would still frown upon them for taking their own life?

I do. And Wadj is right, Suicide in the context I am using it is not the same as Euthanasia. And I don't believe any emotional pain is bad enough to warrant suicide. Nothing does.
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Jul 22 2006, 10:25 PM
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Jul 22 2006, 09:45 AM
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Jul 22 2006, 08:54 AM
Suicide is a cheap way out. :angry: I will always frown upon it.  Most people commit suicide for far less than what is being implied and there are numerous people who have lived through events in their lives and they don't commit suicide.  Suicide should NEVER be an option.  That is God's job and his alone.

Fine, I already know you believe that people don't own their own bodies, and I disagree, but I won't press that point. Lemme get this straight though: If someone is terminally ill and in unbelievable physical, emotional, and psychological pain, you would still frown upon them for taking their own life?

I do. And Wadj is right, Suicide in the context I am using it is not the same as Euthanasia. And I don't believe any emotional pain is bad enough to warrant suicide. Nothing does.

Ah, that's just that catholic sacremental wine a talkin!

And I'm a Lutheran, when we have pain and suffering we think we deserve it!
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Correction, that's the Hypnotic and Corazon talking. :wacko:
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Jul 22 2006, 10:57 PM
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Jul 22 2006, 10:25 PM
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Jul 22 2006, 08:54 AM
Suicide is a cheap way out. :angry: I will always frown upon it.  Most people commit suicide for far less than what is being implied and there are numerous people who have lived through events in their lives and they don't commit suicide.  Suicide should NEVER be an option.  That is God's job and his alone.

Fine, I already know you believe that people don't own their own bodies, and I disagree, but I won't press that point. Lemme get this straight though: If someone is terminally ill and in unbelievable physical, emotional, and psychological pain, you would still frown upon them for taking their own life?

I do. And Wadj is right, Suicide in the context I am using it is not the same as Euthanasia. And I don't believe any emotional pain is bad enough to warrant suicide. Nothing does.

Ah, that's just that catholic sacremental wine a talkin!

And I'm a Lutheran, when we have pain and suffering we think we deserve it!

The Motto Of The Old School Lutherans: When you are happy, remember, this too shall pass.
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Jul 22 2006, 11:15 PM
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Jul 22 2006, 10:57 PM
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Jul 22 2006, 10:25 PM
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Jul 22 2006, 09:45 AM
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Jul 22 2006, 08:54 AM
Suicide is a cheap way out. :angry: I will always frown upon it.  Most people commit suicide for far less than what is being implied and there are numerous people who have lived through events in their lives and they don't commit suicide.  Suicide should NEVER be an option.  That is God's job and his alone.

Fine, I already know you believe that people don't own their own bodies, and I disagree, but I won't press that point. Lemme get this straight though: If someone is terminally ill and in unbelievable physical, emotional, and psychological pain, you would still frown upon them for taking their own life?

I do. And Wadj is right, Suicide in the context I am using it is not the same as Euthanasia. And I don't believe any emotional pain is bad enough to warrant suicide. Nothing does.

Ah, that's just that catholic sacremental wine a talkin!

And I'm a Lutheran, when we have pain and suffering we think we deserve it!

The Motto Of The Old School Lutherans: When you are happy, remember, this too shall pass.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :D :D :shy:
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Jul 22 2006, 11:18 PM
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Jul 22 2006, 11:15 PM
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Jul 22 2006, 09:45 AM
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Jul 22 2006, 08:54 AM
Suicide is a cheap way out. :angry: I will always frown upon it.  Most people commit suicide for far less than what is being implied and there are numerous people who have lived through events in their lives and they don't commit suicide.  Suicide should NEVER be an option.  That is God's job and his alone.

Fine, I already know you believe that people don't own their own bodies, and I disagree, but I won't press that point. Lemme get this straight though: If someone is terminally ill and in unbelievable physical, emotional, and psychological pain, you would still frown upon them for taking their own life?

I do. And Wadj is right, Suicide in the context I am using it is not the same as Euthanasia. And I don't believe any emotional pain is bad enough to warrant suicide. Nothing does.

Ah, that's just that catholic sacremental wine a talkin!

And I'm a Lutheran, when we have pain and suffering we think we deserve it!

The Motto Of The Old School Lutherans: When you are happy, remember, this too shall pass.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :D :D :shy:

I thought you'd like than NH. I'm a Minnesotan at heart, for all my Suburbanness.
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Jul 22 2006, 11:23 PM
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Jul 22 2006, 10:25 PM
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Jul 22 2006, 09:45 AM
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Jul 22 2006, 08:54 AM
Suicide is a cheap way out. :angry: I will always frown upon it.  Most people commit suicide for far less than what is being implied and there are numerous people who have lived through events in their lives and they don't commit suicide.  Suicide should NEVER be an option.  That is God's job and his alone.

Fine, I already know you believe that people don't own their own bodies, and I disagree, but I won't press that point. Lemme get this straight though: If someone is terminally ill and in unbelievable physical, emotional, and psychological pain, you would still frown upon them for taking their own life?

I do. And Wadj is right, Suicide in the context I am using it is not the same as Euthanasia. And I don't believe any emotional pain is bad enough to warrant suicide. Nothing does.

Ah, that's just that catholic sacremental wine a talkin!

And I'm a Lutheran, when we have pain and suffering we think we deserve it!

The Motto Of The Old School Lutherans: When you are happy, remember, this too shall pass.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :D :D :shy:

I thought you'd like than NH. I'm a Minnesotan at heart, for all my Suburbanness.

Where are the men are handsome, all the women are beautiful and all the children are above average!!
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Jul 22 2006, 11:27 PM
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Jul 22 2006, 10:25 PM
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Jul 22 2006, 09:45 AM
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Jul 22 2006, 08:54 AM
Suicide is a cheap way out. :angry: I will always frown upon it.  Most people commit suicide for far less than what is being implied and there are numerous people who have lived through events in their lives and they don't commit suicide.  Suicide should NEVER be an option.  That is God's job and his alone.

Fine, I already know you believe that people don't own their own bodies, and I disagree, but I won't press that point. Lemme get this straight though: If someone is terminally ill and in unbelievable physical, emotional, and psychological pain, you would still frown upon them for taking their own life?

I do. And Wadj is right, Suicide in the context I am using it is not the same as Euthanasia. And I don't believe any emotional pain is bad enough to warrant suicide. Nothing does.

Ah, that's just that catholic sacremental wine a talkin!

And I'm a Lutheran, when we have pain and suffering we think we deserve it!

The Motto Of The Old School Lutherans: When you are happy, remember, this too shall pass.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :D :D :shy:

I thought you'd like than NH. I'm a Minnesotan at heart, for all my Suburbanness.

Where are the men are handsome, all the women are beautiful and all the children are above average!!

Indeed! :lol: One of my relatives was the mayor of St. Paul, and he even served out the rest of the term of a Minnesotan Senator that died in office.
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Go gophers! I knew I liked you, because I really like Minnesota! A very cool state. All any relative of mine ever did (uncle Harry) was be the Leutenant Governor of the Panama Canal Zone (in the 50's). I guess that's cool, but not like Sen. of the land of the Golden Gophers!

Oh, good God! That explains why you are a democrat!! Last name Humphrey??
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Nope! But my Minnesota Relatives names were, respectively, Carlson and Nelson. That should narrow it down quite a bit for you!
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I do believe I have it pinpointed now!! Could you get into St. Paul Saints games free????
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When I drink liquor on an empty stomach for hours, I get depressed and I'll cry.

As for sober moments... Most likely when I was a kid and my mom punched me. That ring she wore hurts. I got a nifty little scar on my right cheek below the eye though. :rolleyes:
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Jul 23 2006, 10:58 AM
When I drink liquor on an empty stomach for hours, I get depressed and I'll cry.

As for sober moments... Most likely when I was a kid and my mom punched me. That ring she wore hurts. I got a nifty little scar on my right cheek below the eye though. :rolleyes:

Ah, you got to love a woman with a sneeky left hook!!
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:lol: True. I'll always love my Mother. However, the same can't be said for my brothers.
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Jul 23 2006, 10:23 AM
I do believe I have it pinpointed now!! Could you get into St. Paul Saints games free????

Nope! I've never actually been to Minneapolis or St. Paul. My relative, however, is on the list of mayors of St. Paul in Wikipedia.
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Jul 23 2006, 11:58 AM
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When I drink liquor on an empty stomach for hours, I get depressed and I'll cry.

As for sober moments... Most likely when I was a kid and my mom punched me. That ring she wore hurts. I got a nifty little scar on my right cheek below the eye though.  :rolleyes:

Ah, you got to love a woman with a sneeky left hook!!

Tell me about it! :lol: .... :blink: ....Never mind. :ph43r: :(
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I had a terrible dream last night, in which I accidentaly injured a good old friend of mine, and I cried in my dream. This thread must be subconsciously influencing my sleep!
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I had a terrible dream last night, in which I accidentaly injured a good old friend of mine, and I cried in my dream. This thread must be subconsciously influencing my sleep!

You are dreaming, you are dreaming, you are dreaming..........
Sell everything you own, sell everything you own, sell everything you own..........
Deposit proceeds, deposit proceeds, deposit proceeds...........
Smith Barney Account 909871243, Smith Barney Account 909871243, Smith Barney Account 909871243................

When you wake up, you will forget everything.............
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Jul 22 2006, 08:54 AM
Suicide is a cheap way out. :angry: I will always frown upon it. Most people commit suicide for far less than what is being implied and there are numerous people who have lived through events in their lives and they don't commit suicide. Suicide should NEVER be an option. That is God's job and his alone.

Natural selection my friend. It's a great thing.

If someone doesn't want to live, I say let them kill themselves. No skin off my nose. If one of my loved ones can't bear life, then I wish them well on their way with a tear in my eye that I couldn't make them see life is worth living and a song in my heart that they got what they want.

After all, sucide doesn't leave room for regret.

If god didn't want us to take our own lives in our own hands, then he shouldn't have given us free will.

Oh yeah, I'm back. And I'm more athiest than ever!
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Jul 29 2006, 06:49 AM
Oh yeah, I'm back. And I'm more athiest than ever!

Was there something about Bulgaria that particularly made you more atheist than ever, or is that just a general statement?
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