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What kind of military structure?; 3RD TURN
Topic Started: Jul 18 2006, 07:09 PM (1,067 Views)
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jul 20 2006, 01:16 PM
Ok first off, I'm splitting this. [Edit] No I'm not. Too hard.

Secondly, this was the worst judgement call Paradise made since making me admin again! So long as people like Norightsia are saying they hate the winning idea, then something is obviously wrong.

Anyone got any other ideas as to how to work the military?

Well it wouldn't be that hard, just take everything after RD's

"Hmmm... somebody sounds a bit anti-business... "

and that should be mostly all the off-topic ranting.
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Paradise
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I made a new poll since many requested to change their votes. I also removed the "None" choice (since everyone seem to want a new military structure).

I personnally voted for my 2nd formula, because I find it more precise and less biased.

If I could make a second choice, it would be NE's method :)
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Nag Ehgoeg
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I voted for my choice. If I had a second vote, I'd vote for Paradise's second option.

Of course, I maintain we should leave the door open for new ideas. If anyone else has an idea, it's not to late to bring it forward.
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I hopped on the Paradise's second method bandwagon, if only because its more sure to beat Nag's way than his first method. If I had a second vote, I'd vote for the qualitatuive guide.
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That's me, voting for the bottom. I want a % of my population available for manpower, and I want my level of technology guided by my budget. That is all!
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For right now I'm going to hold back my vote.

I want to see something like this. I kinda agree with New Harumf on the budget guiding the technology level.

I think some of the budget should go to the tech level for each branch*, and some would go to equiping each man in the nations armed forces.

I guess a cost/person/your nations tech level.

So if you wanted a bigger army you couldn't have as good tech.

*I also think we should have army/navy/air force seperate, so just b/c you have biggest navy doesn't mean you have the biggest army...

I guess I like each nation picking and choosing their own strong points. But I def. want more structure with the budget/size/economy/tax rate playing a bigger effect.

Just some idea's not really a complete system.
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If we go to a formula, someone is doing the math for me. Because, well damn... :wacko:
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flumes
Jul 21 2006, 10:05 AM
For right now I'm going to hold back my vote.

I want to see something like this. I kinda agree with New Harumf on the budget guiding the technology level.

I think some of the budget should go to the tech level for each branch*, and some would go to equiping each man in the nations armed forces.

I guess a cost/person/your nations tech level.

So if you wanted a bigger army you couldn't have as good tech.

*I also think we should have army/navy/air force seperate, so just b/c you have biggest navy doesn't mean you have the biggest army...

I guess I like each nation picking and choosing their own strong points. But I def. want more structure with the budget/size/economy/tax rate playing a bigger effect.

Just some idea's not really a complete system.

Thats what CPs are for, (I think), you'll get to spend your CPs on whatever branch you want in whatever way you want.
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STATEMENT OF FACT:

If warfare on this forum turns into numerical formulas, dice rolls, or any other sort of geek-type RP, in order to satisfy Paradise's lone rogue view of how he wants to convert this forum from political to some actuarial table (I thought you were going away for a while to regions that WANTED this type of non-sense, or did they just not like you?) all of my nations will be neutral in any future multi-national combat.

No threat, just fact.
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I think I will just quote myself:
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I don't think we intend to make it compulsory. I mean, it's more a tool to prevent god-modding than anything else.

It may also proves useful if we indeed want to make a world war. Bilateral wars don't need formulas when both sides agree on how the war is going on. However, for multilateral wars it is harder to get a multilateral consensus.


I don't want to turn this into an actuarial table (at least, not intentionnally). I know I'm biased, that's why I proposed this poll.
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Paradise
Jul 21 2006, 07:40 PM
I think I will just quote myself:
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I don't think we intend to make it compulsory. I mean, it's more a tool to prevent god-modding than anything else.

It may also proves useful if we indeed want to make a world war. Bilateral wars don't need formulas when both sides agree on how the war is going on. However, for multilateral wars it is harder to get a multilateral consensus.


I don't want to turn this into an actuarial table (at least, not intentionnally). I know I'm biased, that's why I proposed this poll.

I will, therefore, continue to observe and shut up.
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Actually, we will implement something only if it reaches a simple majority. That means we may have one or two more turns to find out what our community really wants.

That's why you shouldn't "shut up"... At least not now <_<
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The third turn has begun.
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Tristan da Cunha
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I voted for Nag's method because its simplest. And I just got my ass kicked by a 3 hour physics test so I can't concentrate on any numbers right now. :P

But I like all three choices, I think they can all work out OK.
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Jul 22 2006, 12:24 PM
I voted for Nag's method because its simplest. And I just got my ass kicked by a 3 hour physics test so I can't concentrate on any numbers right now. :P

But I like all three choices, I think they can all work out OK.

I told you, the only thing you will remember from physics is s=1/2 at squared + v sub naught t
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New Harumf
Jul 22 2006, 12:48 PM
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Jul 22 2006, 12:24 PM
I voted for Nag's method because its simplest. And I just got my ass kicked by a 3 hour physics test so I can't concentrate on any numbers right now. :P

But I like all three choices, I think they can all work out OK.

I told you, the only thing you will remember from physics is s=1/2 at squared + v sub naught t

The only thing I remember from Physics is that a wire with electricity flowing through it has magnetic field lines running perpendicular to the electricity around the wire.
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Wow. The vote is so close. I will let the poll open one more day to see what happens.
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This is the kind of situation I hate... No choice has reached an absolute majority, yet, the two other choices are tied in 2nd place. That means, we must wait until either "NE's method" gets a majority or the equality between my formula and the qualitative guide is broken (that would mean a 4th turn)...
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This is democracy for you lol!
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Paradise
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Yup. A simple plurality of votes would be insufficient. We are not in the UK here ;)
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Well as it stands, "I've" got 6 votes - twice as many as each of the other options (as option 3 is also "mine" I've used the quotes).

6 to 3 to 3.

That's 50% of total votes. That's majority (you round up from 0.5).
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jul 29 2006, 06:18 AM
Well as it stands, "I've" got 6 votes - twice as many as each of the other options (as option 3 is also "mine" I've used the quotes).

6 to 3 to 3.

That's 50% of total votes. That's majority (you round up from 0.5).

Wrong. majority is 50% + 1. No vote in congress has passed with a 50% vote. As a matter of fact, parliamentary procedure says any vote getting 50% exactly is defeated.
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Yeah. It's stuck. The next vote will be determining. If it's for NE's method, your proposal reaches a majority. If it's for one of the two other choices, we can go on the 4th turn.
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Why don't we just make two more polls? One that pits Nag's method against Paradise's second. Another that pits Nag's method against the qualitative guide.
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So instead of makeing 2 more polls, you want us to make 3 more? :wacko:
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