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The Israel-Lebanon situation; As I understand it
Topic Started: Jul 16 2006, 03:44 PM (474 Views)
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LMFAO!

That is by far the best political commentary I have EVER seen. And completely accurate. Hadoken and all. :lol:
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You have played too much Street Fighter...
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I have not!

Dont make me Down+Downforward+ForwardPunch you!
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Back, Forward+Punch

Or

Punch, punch, punch, punch, punch, punch, punch!

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Back, Back/Down, Down, Down/Forward, Forward+Punch

Also, that cartoon rocked.
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Oooh. You got me on that one. I knew all of one of those.
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OOC: This is bringing back lots of good memories, all of those fighting games. Loved them all with a passion. Was pretty good with them too. B)

IC: This is all an attempt to justify President Bush and PM Blair to continue their "never ending war on terror, that will only end when terror is gone"; feel me. Isreal is claiming that Iran is supplying weapons to Hezbollah and Hezbollah will send those captured soldiers to Iran as hostages and leverage in these Nuclear negotiations. How Isreal could mistake an “aircraft rigged with explosives” for a missile and conviently in this morning's report specify it was an Iranian-built radar-guided C-802 it just conceded.

It is just Isreal's excuse to justify genocide and the US and Britain's excuse to expand the current MidEast conflict into something more broader, sinister, and backwards in nature. Mark my words, Isreal has already planned the invasion of Syria...all Bush, Blair, and Isreal need is for Iran to do something stupid and "thar she blows."

This is just another excuse for globalization, plain and simple.
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OOC:  This is bringing back lots of good memories, all of those fighting games.  Loved them all with a passion.  Was pretty good with them too. B)

IC:  This is all an attempt to justify President Bush and PM Blair to continue their "never ending war on terror, that will only end when terror is gone"; feel me.  Isreal is claiming that Iran is supplying weapons to Hezbollah and Hezbollah will send those captured soldiers to Iran as hostages and leverage in these Nuclear negotiations.  How Isreal could mistake an “aircraft rigged with explosives” for a missile and conviently in this morning's report specify it was an Iranian-built radar-guided C-802 it just conceded.

It is just Isreal's excuse to justify genocide and the US and Britain's excuse to expand the current MidEast conflict into something more broader, sinister, and backwards in nature.  Mark my words, Isreal has already planned the invasion of Syria...all Bush, Blair, and Isreal need is for Iran to do something stupid and "thar she blows."

This is just another excuse for globalization, plain and simple.

Well... to break down your arguments:

1)This is all an attempt to justify President Bush and PM Blair to continue their "never ending war on terror, that will only end when terror is gone"; feel me. Isreal is claiming that Iran is supplying weapons to Hezbollah and Hezbollah will send those captured soldiers to Iran as hostages and leverage in these Nuclear negotiations.

This isn't an attempt for anything alse than the two stated goals made clear by Israel - the return of the two captured soldiers, and the deployment of the Lebanese army in southern Lebanon.
Iran and Syria supplying weapons to Hizballah (btw, it's Hizballah and not Hizbollah. Hizb=party, Allah... you know... God's party) is a known fact. There are also Iranian forces in Lebanon and they are training the Hizballah.
There is a constant fear that these soldiers might be sent to Iran, as it is believed that Ron Arad has already been sent there. That is also the reason for the complete blockade of Lebanon, as well as the bombing of Beirut international airport, bridges and roads in Lebanon.

2)How Isreal could mistake an “aircraft rigged with explosives” for a missile and conviently in this morning's report specify it was an Iranian-built radar-guided C-802 it just conceded.

Israel never officially claimed that the ship was hit by an explosive drone. This was a claim made by journalists, probably foreign.
A few hours later there was a video released from Lebanon showing the missile being launched to the see - it was clearly a guided missile. There are at least two ways of identifying exactly what kind of missile they used - the first is knowing what anti-ship weapons do they have in their arsenal, and the second by examining the missile's remains.

3)It is just Isreal's excuse to justify genocide and the US and Britain's excuse to expand the current MidEast conflict into something more broader, sinister, and backwards in nature.

Not every killing of civilians is a genocide. Both the Hizballah and Israel have killed innocent people during this conflict, the difference being that Hizballah has deliberately targeted them unlike Israel which has killed them unintentionally while attacking Hizballah men and facilities. In that sense, it is Hizballah who is carrying out a genocide.

4)Mark my words, Isreal has already planned the invasion of Syria...all Bush, Blair, and Isreal need is for Iran to do something stupid and "thar she blows."

There are a lot of people in this world who believe that Israel has some secret evil plan to invade all of its neighbours. To these people I present the following very simple argument:
For the last 39 years, Israel has tried to occupy just one small people, and look what happened. So do you really think that Israel, a nation of around six million Jews and a million Arabs, can possibly control the dozens of millions of people surrounding it?

The Israeli soldiers have been attacked, killed and kidnapped in a place internationally recognized as Israeli. This is six years after Israel has pulled out of Lebanon. So how can you possibly make an attack on sovereign Israel an attempt by it to occupy other countries?
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Scorpion's harpoon is the best move!! (And the only one I know :D ) Back-back-high punch!!
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OOC:  This is bringing back lots of good memories, all of those fighting games.  Loved them all with a passion.  Was pretty good with them too. B)

IC:  This is all an attempt to justify President Bush and PM Blair to continue their "never ending war on terror, that will only end when terror is gone"; feel me.  Isreal is claiming that Iran is supplying weapons to Hezbollah and Hezbollah will send those captured soldiers to Iran as hostages and leverage in these Nuclear negotiations.  How Isreal could mistake an “aircraft rigged with explosives” for a missile and conviently in this morning's report specify it was an Iranian-built radar-guided C-802 it just conceded.

It is just Isreal's excuse to justify genocide and the US and Britain's excuse to expand the current MidEast conflict into something more broader, sinister, and backwards in nature.  Mark my words, Isreal has already planned the invasion of Syria...all Bush, Blair, and Isreal need is for Iran to do something stupid and "thar she blows."

This is just another excuse for globalization, plain and simple.

Well... to break down your arguments:

1)This is all an attempt to justify President Bush and PM Blair to continue their "never ending war on terror, that will only end when terror is gone"; feel me. Isreal is claiming that Iran is supplying weapons to Hezbollah and Hezbollah will send those captured soldiers to Iran as hostages and leverage in these Nuclear negotiations.

This isn't an attempt for anything alse than the two stated goals made clear by Israel - the return of the two captured soldiers, and the deployment of the Lebanese army in southern Lebanon.
Iran and Syria supplying weapons to Hizballah (btw, it's Hizballah and not Hizbollah. Hizb=party, Allah... you know... God's party) is a known fact. There are also Iranian forces in Lebanon and they are training the Hizballah.
There is a constant fear that these soldiers might be sent to Iran, as it is believed that Ron Arad has already been sent there. That is also the reason for the complete blockade of Lebanon, as well as the bombing of Beirut international airport, bridges and roads in Lebanon.

2)How Isreal could mistake an “aircraft rigged with explosives” for a missile and conviently in this morning's report specify it was an Iranian-built radar-guided C-802 it just conceded.

Israel never officially claimed that the ship was hit by an explosive drone. This was a claim made by journalists, probably foreign.
A few hours later there was a video released from Lebanon showing the missile being launched to the see - it was clearly a guided missile. There are at least two ways of identifying exactly what kind of missile they used - the first is knowing what anti-ship weapons do they have in their arsenal, and the second by examining the missile's remains.

3)It is just Isreal's excuse to justify genocide and the US and Britain's excuse to expand the current MidEast conflict into something more broader, sinister, and backwards in nature.

Not every killing of civilians is a genocide. Both the Hizballah and Israel have killed innocent people during this conflict, the difference being that Hizballah has deliberately targeted them unlike Israel which has killed them unintentionally while attacking Hizballah men and facilities. In that sense, it is Hizballah who is carrying out a genocide.

4)Mark my words, Isreal has already planned the invasion of Syria...all Bush, Blair, and Isreal need is for Iran to do something stupid and "thar she blows."

There are a lot of people in this world who believe that Israel has some secret evil plan to invade all of its neighbours. To these people I present the following very simple argument:
For the last 39 years, Israel has tried to occupy just one small people, and look what happened. So do you really think that Israel, a nation of around six million Jews and a million Arabs, can possibly control the dozens of millions of people surrounding it?

The Israeli soldiers have been attacked, killed and kidnapped in a place internationally recognized as Israeli. This is six years after Israel has pulled out of Lebanon. So how can you possibly make an attack on sovereign Israel an attempt by it to occupy other countries?

Well, that is not what the Isrealis told the AP and the Bangkok Post. In a Market Watch article provocatively entitled “Bush points finger at Hezbollah, Syria,” we learn that our ruler, attending a globalist confab in St. Petersburg, Russia, has blamed Syria for Israel’s invasion.

“In my judgment, the best way to stop the violence is to understand why the violence occurred in the first place,” said Bush. “And that’s because Hizbullah has been launching rocket attacks out of Lebanon into Israel and because Hizbullah captured two Israeli soldiers,” Naharnet reports.

No mention here of the hundreds of Lebanese held illegally in Israeli torture dungeons. Earlier this month, the Lebanese government complained to the UN Secretary General representative in Beirut about “the nonstop arrest of detainees, and … the hundreds of missing persons, which poses as a violation of human rights.”

Israel has admitted abducting Lebanese for political purposes, but for some reason this fact is not mentioned in the corporate media. In the late 90s, before Israel was evicted from southern Lebanon by Hezbollah, it was a common practice for Israel to abduct entirely innocent Lebanese and hold them as “bargaining chips, ” and not hold them, according to Amnesty International, “for their own actions but in exchange for Israeli soldiers missing in action or killed in Lebanon.” As usual, these facts are ignored by our appointed ruler and the corporate media.

According to the al-Hayat newspaper in London, “Israel gave Syria 72 hours to stop Hizbullah’s activity, bring about release of kidnapped IDF troops,” or else, reports Yedioth Internet, “it would launch an offensive with disastrous consequences,” in other words Syria will suffer the same sort of attacks Lebanon is now suffering.

Not unusually, word of this warning emerged from the Pentagon, currently under the control of Likudite neocons. Al-Hayat reported “a senior Pentagon source warned that should the Arab world and international community fail in the efforts to convince Syria to pressure Hizbullah into releasing the soldiers and halt the current escalation Israel may attack targets in the country,” in other words civilian infrastructure will be targeted.

As if to confirm Israel’s impending invasion of Syria, Foreign Minister Erkki Tuomioja of Finland said the European Union considers “the situation to be very bad and there is still the possibility that it could get worse and that the conflict could spread, especially to Syria…. This is in no way desirable. The consequences could be really uncontrollable,” reports Reuters.

Of course, it is eminently “desirable” for the Israeli government and the neocon faction currently riding high in the government of the United States, as they have plotted for some time to go after Syria and Iran, that is to say blowing up its civilian infrastructure and slaughtering its citizens.

Al Bawaba reports “Israeli warplanes launched four missiles at a border crossing point between Lebanon and Syria on Saturday, witnesses said. A Syrian army position is located in the area” near Masnaa. “Witnesses said Israeli planes fired four rockets at the Masnaa crossing point between the last Lebanese post and the first Syrian army position on the Beirut-Damascus road,” Reuters adds. Moreover, according to the al-Mustaqbal Lebanese news network, “the IAF hit targets belonging to the Syrian army” prior to the Masnaa raid, Yedioth Internet reports.

As if to remind us the real target is not puny little Hezbollah and Hamas, but rather Syria and Iran, neocon kingpin William Kristol, writing from his perch at the Murdoch funded Weekly Standard, tells us the “war against radical Islamism is likely to be a long one. Radical Islamism isn’t going away anytime soon. But it will make a big difference how strong the state sponsors, harborers, and financiers of radical Islamism are. Thus, our focus should be less on Hamas and Hezbollah, and more on their paymasters and real commanders—Syria and Iran.” No translation is in order—the United States must attack Iran and Syria, that is after Israel stirs up the cauldron with a provocative bombing campaign. “For while Syria and Iran are enemies of Israel, they are also enemies of the United States. We have done a poor job of standing up to them and weakening them. They are now testing us more boldly than one would have thought possible a few years ago. Weakness is provocative. We have been too weak, and have allowed ourselves to be perceived as weak.”

Israel’s enemies are the enemies of the United States, as Israel has the White House, Pentagon, and Congress under its thumb, from rabid pro-Israel activists in decisive positions in the Bush administration to AIPAC’s stranglehold over Congress.

Syria and Iran are next on the bombing sortie. Syria will be an easy target, as it is nearly as helpless as Lebanon, but Iran will be a tough nut to crack.

If Israel attacks Iran, as it has threatened for months (and has acquired the military hardware to do so), all hell will break loose, especially for the U.S. troops in Iraq, currently facing the distinct possibility of a Shia revolt and “civil war.”

Expect the United States to react accordingly.

Addendum

According to Stratfor Intelligence, Israel plans not only to launch “a major, sustained assault into southern Lebanon to eliminate the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah,” up to the Litani River, of course, but also plans to “make a pre-emptive strike against the Syrian air defense network, which Israeli planes successfully penetrated in June, buzzing Syrian President Bashar al Assad’s private residence,” a sort of warning of things to come, as I noted the other day. Stratfor has more confidence in Syria’s air force than I do, but then I’m not an “intelligence expert,” as Strafor claims to be:

Despite the political stunt flyby, Syria’s air defense network is still amply equipped and its air force boasts, among other aircraft, 80 MiG-29 and 10 Su-27 fighters. Operationally, Syria has always crumbled when it faced the IDF, and its air defense and pilot training regimens are certainly below par. But nevertheless, Syria’s air defense network extends over much of southern Lebanon and poses a very real danger to IAF operations over Lebanon. Israel successfully devastated this air force in 1982 in a pre-emptive strike. If the Israelis decide that Syria might resist their efforts in Lebanon, Israel will not hesitate to take the network out. A devastating pre-emptive strike is preferable to a protracted engagement with the whole air defense network at full alert—a much more complex endeavor that would detract from operations in Lebanon. As long as the Israelis leave Syrian assets intact, they fight with an exposed right flank.

As Strafor views it, Israel will launch a ground offensive as soon as July 16 “when the reservists of the Israeli Northern Command who were just activated will have had 72 hours to spin up. However, since rockets fired from Lebanon hit Israel’s port city of Haifa on July 13, Israel’s 7th Armored, Golani and Barak Brigades—some of the elite and most decorated units of the regular Israeli army—might push ahead as far as the Litani and let the reservists catch up later.”

As the Lebanese well understand, another occupation of their country will result in human rights abuses, as the Israelis consider the Lebanese on par with the Palestinians.

In 1998, the Commission on Human Rights deplored “the continued Israeli violations of human rights in the occupied zone in southern Lebanon and western Bekaa, demonstrated in particular by the abduction and ongoing arbitrary detention of Lebanese citizens [in the Khiyam and Marjayoun torture centers], the destruction of their dwellings, the confiscation of their property, their expulsion from their land, the bombardment of peaceful villages and civilian areas, and other practices violating the most fundamental principles of human rights.” In short, the Lebanese may expect the same sort of brutality meted out to the Palestinians.

Of course, this criminal behavior, stretching over nearly two decades, has nothing to do with the formation and radicalization of Hezbollah. But there has been no sign in Lebanon of Iranian soldiers for 15 years.
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If Israel's intent was to attack Syria, why would they destroy the main road to Damascus? The Hezballah is recieving missiles from Syria and Iran. How do you stop this? You make it impossible to ship the missiles to Hezballah - you bomb out the airports, you bomb out the roads, and you blockade the ports. That is what Israel has done.

As I said previously, I don't care about history, or what either side has done in the past. What is happening now is Hezballah is lobbing many, many (thousands) of missiles into Israel. Israel has a right to defend itself, and is doing just that. It is also trying to limit Hezballah's ability to continue to wage a terror war of missiles against its civilian population. That's what is happening NOW.

There is going to be a pro-Isreal rally in the Federal Plaza here at noon, and I will attend.
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All I am saying the facts don't add up in Isreal's favor, at least to me. Yes, a nation has the right to defend itself. The past is very relevant, haven't you heard the old adage..."if you don't know history, you're doomed to repeat it." Do I hear wedding bells? Again, something just isn't right NH. I find it a bit ironic that the conflict might escalate to Syria and Iran - both of which have openly defied the US and one is more prevelant in the news than the other. However, it is just the way I feel on the matter.
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Well, that is not what the Isrealis told the AP and the Bangkok Post.  In a Market Watch article provocatively entitled “Bush points finger at Hezbollah, Syria,” we learn that our ruler, attending a globalist confab in St. Petersburg, Russia, has blamed Syria for Israel’s invasion.

“In my judgment, the best way to stop the violence is to understand why the violence occurred in the first place,” said Bush. “And that’s because Hizbullah has been launching rocket attacks out of Lebanon into Israel and because Hizbullah captured two Israeli soldiers,” Naharnet reports.

No mention here of the hundreds of Lebanese held illegally in Israeli torture dungeons. Earlier this month, the Lebanese government complained to the UN Secretary General representative in Beirut about “the nonstop arrest of detainees, and … the hundreds of missing persons, which poses as a violation of human rights.”

Israel has admitted abducting Lebanese for political purposes, but for some reason this fact is not mentioned in the corporate media. In the late 90s, before Israel was evicted from southern Lebanon by Hezbollah, it was a common practice for Israel to abduct entirely innocent Lebanese and hold them as “bargaining chips, ” and not hold them, according to Amnesty International, “for their own actions but in exchange for Israeli soldiers missing in action or killed in Lebanon.” As usual, these facts are ignored by our appointed ruler and the corporate media.

According to the al-Hayat newspaper in London, “Israel gave Syria 72 hours to stop Hizbullah’s activity, bring about release of kidnapped IDF troops,” or else, reports Yedioth Internet, “it would launch an offensive with disastrous consequences,” in other words Syria will suffer the same sort of attacks Lebanon is now suffering.

Not unusually, word of this warning emerged from the Pentagon, currently under the control of Likudite neocons. Al-Hayat reported “a senior Pentagon source warned that should the Arab world and international community fail in the efforts to convince Syria to pressure Hizbullah into releasing the soldiers and halt the current escalation Israel may attack targets in the country,” in other words civilian infrastructure will be targeted.

As if to confirm Israel’s impending invasion of Syria, Foreign Minister Erkki Tuomioja of Finland said the European Union considers “the situation to be very bad and there is still the possibility that it could get worse and that the conflict could spread, especially to Syria…. This is in no way desirable. The consequences could be really uncontrollable,” reports Reuters.

Of course, it is eminently “desirable” for the Israeli government and the neocon faction currently riding high in the government of the United States, as they have plotted for some time to go after Syria and Iran, that is to say blowing up its civilian infrastructure and slaughtering its citizens.

Al Bawaba reports “Israeli warplanes launched four missiles at a border crossing point between Lebanon and Syria on Saturday, witnesses said. A Syrian army position is located in the area” near Masnaa. “Witnesses said Israeli planes fired four rockets at the Masnaa crossing point between the last Lebanese post and the first Syrian army position on the Beirut-Damascus road,” Reuters adds. Moreover, according to the al-Mustaqbal Lebanese news network, “the IAF hit targets belonging to the Syrian army” prior to the Masnaa raid, Yedioth Internet reports.

As if to remind us the real target is not puny little Hezbollah and Hamas, but rather Syria and Iran, neocon kingpin William Kristol, writing from his perch at the Murdoch funded Weekly Standard, tells us the “war against radical Islamism is likely to be a long one. Radical Islamism isn’t going away anytime soon. But it will make a big difference how strong the state sponsors, harborers, and financiers of radical Islamism are. Thus, our focus should be less on Hamas and Hezbollah, and more on their paymasters and real commanders—Syria and Iran.” No translation is in order—the United States must attack Iran and Syria, that is after Israel stirs up the cauldron with a provocative bombing campaign. “For while Syria and Iran are enemies of Israel, they are also enemies of the United States. We have done a poor job of standing up to them and weakening them. They are now testing us more boldly than one would have thought possible a few years ago. Weakness is provocative. We have been too weak, and have allowed ourselves to be perceived as weak.”

Israel’s enemies are the enemies of the United States, as Israel has the White House, Pentagon, and Congress under its thumb, from rabid pro-Israel activists in decisive positions in the Bush administration to AIPAC’s stranglehold over Congress.

Syria and Iran are next on the bombing sortie. Syria will be an easy target, as it is nearly as helpless as Lebanon, but Iran will be a tough nut to crack.

If Israel attacks Iran, as it has threatened for months (and has acquired the military hardware to do so), all hell will break loose, especially for the U.S. troops in Iraq, currently facing the distinct possibility of a Shia revolt and “civil war.”

Expect the United States to react accordingly.

Addendum

According to Stratfor Intelligence, Israel plans not only to launch “a major, sustained assault into southern Lebanon to eliminate the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah,” up to the Litani River, of course, but also plans to “make a pre-emptive strike against the Syrian air defense network, which Israeli planes successfully penetrated in June, buzzing Syrian President Bashar al Assad’s private residence,” a sort of warning of things to come, as I noted the other day. Stratfor has more confidence in Syria’s air force than I do, but then I’m not an “intelligence expert,” as Strafor claims to be:

Despite the political stunt flyby, Syria’s air defense network is still amply equipped and its air force boasts, among other aircraft, 80 MiG-29 and 10 Su-27 fighters. Operationally, Syria has always crumbled when it faced the IDF, and its air defense and pilot training regimens are certainly below par. But nevertheless, Syria’s air defense network extends over much of southern Lebanon and poses a very real danger to IAF operations over Lebanon. Israel successfully devastated this air force in 1982 in a pre-emptive strike. If the Israelis decide that Syria might resist their efforts in Lebanon, Israel will not hesitate to take the network out. A devastating pre-emptive strike is preferable to a protracted engagement with the whole air defense network at full alert—a much more complex endeavor that would detract from operations in Lebanon. As long as the Israelis leave Syrian assets intact, they fight with an exposed right flank.

As Strafor views it, Israel will launch a ground offensive as soon as July 16 “when the reservists of the Israeli Northern Command who were just activated will have had 72 hours to spin up. However, since rockets fired from Lebanon hit Israel’s port city of Haifa on July 13, Israel’s 7th Armored, Golani and Barak Brigades—some of the elite and most decorated units of the regular Israeli army—might push ahead as far as the Litani and let the reservists catch up later.”

As the Lebanese well understand, another occupation of their country will result in human rights abuses, as the Israelis consider the Lebanese on par with the Palestinians.

In 1998, the Commission on Human Rights deplored “the continued Israeli violations of human rights in the occupied zone in southern Lebanon and western Bekaa, demonstrated in particular by the abduction and ongoing arbitrary detention of Lebanese citizens [in the Khiyam and Marjayoun torture centers], the destruction of their dwellings, the confiscation of their property, their expulsion from their land, the bombardment of peaceful villages and civilian areas, and other practices violating the most fundamental principles of human rights.” In short, the Lebanese may expect the same sort of brutality meted out to the Palestinians.

Of course, this criminal behavior, stretching over nearly two decades, has nothing to do with the formation and radicalization of Hezbollah.  But there has been no sign in Lebanon of Iranian soldiers for 15 years.

I'm sorry my friend, but you seem to politically live in a world of dreams and fantasies.

Well, that is not what the Isrealis told the AP and the Bangkok Post. In a Market Watch article provocatively entitled “Bush points finger at Hezbollah, Syria,” we learn that our ruler, attending a globalist confab in St. Petersburg, Russia, has blamed Syria for Israel’s invasion.

Israel did not invade Lebanon. Not now, not for the past six years.

No mention here of the hundreds of Lebanese held illegally in Israeli torture dungeons. Earlier this month, the Lebanese government complained to the UN Secretary General representative in Beirut about “the nonstop arrest of detainees, and … the hundreds of missing persons, which poses as a violation of human rights.”

There are a lot of missing persons in Lebanon as a result of its violent past. Most are probably dead. Most have been killed in Lebanon or taken by Syrian forces. Israel has only captured Lebanese involved in terror activities.
As for "the nonstop arrest of detainees", how could have Israel arrest anyone in Lebanon for the last six years?

Israel has admitted abducting Lebanese for political purposes, but for some reason this fact is not mentioned in the corporate media.

Prove it.

In the late 90s, before Israel was evicted from southern Lebanon by Hezbollah

Israel went out of Lebanon because it decided that it would be best for it, not because of Hizballah or anyone alse.

According to the al-Hayat newspaper in London, “Israel gave Syria 72 hours to stop Hizbullah’s activity, bring about release of kidnapped IDF troops,” or else, reports Yedioth Internet, “it would launch an offensive with disastrous consequences,” in other words Syria will suffer the same sort of attacks Lebanon is now suffering.

72 hours? the fightings are now going on almost a week.

Not unusually, word of this warning emerged from the Pentagon, currently under the control of Likudite neocons. Al-Hayat reported “a senior Pentagon source warned that should the Arab world and international community fail in the efforts to convince Syria to pressure Hizbullah into releasing the soldiers and halt the current escalation Israel may attack targets in the country,” in other words civilian infrastructure will be targeted.

The Likud is an Israeli political party. It's the party which pulled Israel out of Gaza, by the way.
The Likud is also now out of power.
The Syrians are supplying weapons to Hizballah, and these weapons are used to attack and kill Israelis. So the Syrians should know that they have blood on their hands and as such could be targeted.

As if to confirm Israel’s impending invasion of Syria, Foreign Minister Erkki Tuomioja of Finland said the European Union considers “the situation to be very bad and there is still the possibility that it could get worse and that the conflict could spread, especially to Syria…. This is in no way desirable. The consequences could be really uncontrollable,” reports Reuters.

Israel may attack Syria, and well they deserve, but I'll bet you a million dollars Syria will not be invaded, just as Lebanon will not be invaded.

Al Bawaba reports “Israeli warplanes launched four missiles at a border crossing point between Lebanon and Syria on Saturday, witnesses said. A Syrian army position is located in the area” near Masnaa. “Witnesses said Israeli planes fired four rockets at the Masnaa crossing point between the last Lebanese post and the first Syrian army position on the Beirut-Damascus road,” Reuters adds. Moreover, according to the al-Mustaqbal Lebanese news network, “the IAF hit targets belonging to the Syrian army” prior to the Masnaa raid, Yedioth Internet reports.

Once more, an attack which is meant to stop the possible transfering of the kidnapped soldiers from Lebanon to Syria, and then maybe Iran.
And also a message to Syria - keep your hands out of this conflict.

As if to remind us the real target is not puny little Hezbollah and Hamas, but rather Syria and Iran, neocon kingpin William Kristol, writing from his perch at the Murdoch funded Weekly Standard, tells us the “war against radical Islamism is likely to be a long one. Radical Islamism isn’t going away anytime soon. But it will make a big difference how strong the state sponsors, harborers, and financiers of radical Islamism are. Thus, our focus should be less on Hamas and Hezbollah, and more on their paymasters and real commanders—Syria and Iran.” No translation is in order—the United States must attack Iran and Syria, that is after Israel stirs up the cauldron with a provocative bombing campaign. “For while Syria and Iran are enemies of Israel, they are also enemies of the United States. We have done a poor job of standing up to them and weakening them. They are now testing us more boldly than one would have thought possible a few years ago. Weakness is provocative. We have been too weak, and have allowed ourselves to be perceived as weak.”

He's entitled to his views. The fact still remains that the current conflict has been a result of provocative attacks by Hizballah from inside the sovereign nation of Lebanon. As such, Israel has the right to defend itself, and attack all those who attack it and their supporters.

Israel’s enemies are the enemies of the United States, as Israel has the White House, Pentagon, and Congress under its thumb, from rabid pro-Israel activists in decisive positions in the Bush administration to AIPAC’s stranglehold over Congress.

Israel's enemies are the enemies of the United States because they are the enemies of the free world. That doesn't mean, however, that the US has to attack them. Israel does that alone.

As Strafor views it, Israel will launch a ground offensive as soon as July 16 “when the reservists of the Israeli Northern Command who were just activated will have had 72 hours to spin up. However, since rockets fired from Lebanon hit Israel’s port city of Haifa on July 13, Israel’s 7th Armored, Golani and Barak Brigades—some of the elite and most decorated units of the regular Israeli army—might push ahead as far as the Litani and let the reservists catch up later.”

We are at July 17th. And I asure you that a full scale invasion is not on the Israeli agenda. Not in Lebanon, or anywhere alse for that matter.

In 1998, the Commission on Human Rights deplored “the continued Israeli violations of human rights in the occupied zone in southern Lebanon and western Bekaa, demonstrated in particular by the abduction and ongoing arbitrary detention of Lebanese citizens [in the Khiyam and Marjayoun torture centers], the destruction of their dwellings, the confiscation of their property, their expulsion from their land, the bombardment of peaceful villages and civilian areas, and other practices violating the most fundamental principles of human rights.” In short, the Lebanese may expect the same sort of brutality meted out to the Palestinians.

Let's just assume that such things did happen - do I need to remind you again that Israel has been out of Lebanon for the last six years, and still being attacked?

Of course, this criminal behavior, stretching over nearly two decades, has nothing to do with the formation and radicalization of Hezbollah. But there has been no sign in Lebanon of Iranian soldiers for 15 years.

Israeli officials are claiming otherwise. Prove them wrong.



Oh, one more thing. Using Al Hayat and Al Bawaba as your main sources of information isn't exactly what I would call balanced coverage of the events.
In fact, your whole post looks like simple Anti-Israeli propaganda <_<
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I will freely admit, I am more pro-Palestinian than Isreal. My case is the whole scenario just doesn't add up to me. No I do not live in some fantasy world, I live in a world where our foreign policy in regards to the Middle East (the US) walks on the edge of a knife because of Isreal's existence and that is fact. However, only time will tell whether or not I am right or wrong. If I am wrong, I have no problem in admitting it; but if I am right, I would like the same courtesy in tern. ;)
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Scorpion's harpoon is the best move!! (And the only one I know :D ) Back-back-high punch!!

Yeah mortal Combat was more my game too. An at one point, I must say I knew all of Shang Tsung transformations.
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Global Power anyone?

Israel-Lebanon is a case of "be careful what you wish for" on the side of Palestine and the Arab protagonists.
With Sharon gone, as many anti-Israelis were praying for, the even more hawkish generals have been able to come to the forefront of policy-making due to the accession of a weaker Prime Minister.
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The International Community should invade Israel and the Israeli Government and Parliament should be arrested and placed on trial for war crimes and genocide. :angry:
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The International Community should invade Israel and the Israeli Government and Parliament should be arrested and placed on trial for war crimes and genocide. :angry:

Sometimes, CE, it amazes me how you can come up with the silliest statements...... well, at least they make me laugh!
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The International Community should invade Israel and the Israeli Government and Parliament should be arrested and placed on trial for war crimes and genocide. :angry:

Or the United States and United Kingdom could stop bankrolling them... <_<
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In the entire history of the existence of Israel, they never fired the first shot in a war except in the Six Day War, when it was abundantly clear that Egypt was planning to attack Israel.

Besides, with the utter incompetence shown by the Arab nations that have fought against Israel (they haven't lost a war yet, and they've always been outnumbered), if they really wanted to take over the Middle East and turn it into some sort of Jewish Empire, they would have done it by now.

Now, as for Hezbollah, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the fundamentalist governments of Syria and Iran were supplying them with weapons.

Now, I'm not saying that Israel is perfect, far from it. Israel has had its share of atrocities and brutalities. But there are only about 3 nations in the region that I would actually trust to have at least some restraint: one is Israel, because one, I think that if they were left alone, they would leave everyone else alone, and two, if they do anything too stupid, they'll lose the support of the US (although I will admit that unless it was EXTREMELY stupid, like launching an unprovoked nuclear bomb at a member of Nato or something, we'll cling to them like a limpet). The second is Jordan. Jordan has an uneasy peace with Israel right now, and I don't think that either nation wants to break it. Also, since the terrorist attacks there, Jordan is sick of Islamic extremism. The third is Egypt. Like Jordan, Egypt has an uneasy peace with Israel, one that is in both nation's interests to maintain. Also, President Mubarak has no love of Islamic Extremists because he knows they can take him out of power if left to their own devices. He needs to keep them quiet to save his own skin.
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The International Community should invade Israel and the Israeli Government and Parliament should be arrested and placed on trial for war crimes and genocide. :angry:

Israel is guilty of a lot of things, but I think you are being flippant with your use of the word 'genocide', as I think such a statement is false.
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Nope, they've committed a genocide against Palestinians and I will forever stick to that comment.
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Nope, they've committed a genocide against Palestinians and I will forever stick to that comment.

Well, obviously, they haven't been very efficient, cause there sure are a lot of Palistinians running amok!!
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Here's my view on the situation, as given on the Mechg Forums in response to someone saying this on the Middle East:
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God damn it! I've had enough!

I say ram our ....s up their collective .... so hard it will knock out their teeth.

Burn Beirut, Damascus, Tehran, and Gaza to the damn ground.


Edit:

I am all for peace, I have voted for left wing parties all my life, I am considered as far left as it can go, but that's it.

If the Palestinians are stupid enough to elect a government that is basically throwing away their future, then it is their ....ing business.

A country like Iran that calls for the destruction of all Jews should be itself wiped off the damn map.

A country that hosts preachers who call for the islamification of Europe, and for the flags of Islam to be hung in Londonstan on top of Big Ben and parliament building should be bombed back into the stone age.



You my friends, as well as I, are a bunch of losers and idiots to have taken this abuse this long.

I say .... 'em, .... 'em in the ear!

For all you people who are intersted in what is going on in the middle east and what people in arab countries think of the west etc. I suggest checking out this site:

www.memri.org

They have excellent analysis and news.

I wll also iterate my post:

I am not racist, I am not calling for the killing of all muslims/arabs/whatever. I would rather leave in peace with them. I am calling for the complete and utter destruction of their military, their dictatorship's political structure, and their terrorist infrastructure. I am also calling to do anything it takes to accomplish this goal, and if they put an anti-aircraft battery on a school, then bomb the school at night, if that is not possible than it is just too bad for those first graders...

If they hide troops in mosques, kaboom!

If they are fasting on ramadan, then kill them whether their stomachs are ful or not.

No compromises and considerations, do whatever it take at whatever the cost.

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As an end note on morality, The Lebanese and Palestinian governments are calling for the release of this man:

Samir Al Quntar

who is in prison since the 70's



Terrorist who shot father in front of 4 year old girl and smashed her skull given honorary citzenship in PA as hero and role model

March 15, 2006

The award of honorary citizenship in the PA to a jailed terrorist who murdered a father and his 4 year old daughter, and caused the death of a 2 year old girl in hiding.


I replied with this, the following post represents my views on this, and any other topic regarding the RL Middle East:

Heh, you sound like my dad TZE.

If we do whatever it takes despite the cost, does that make us any better than them?

The government of Palastine wants to free someone who murdered a father and his 4 year old daughter. You want to kill hundreds, if not thousands of four year olds and their parents in nuclear hell fire.

I'm not saying I disagree with you - but then I claim to be a self centered Satanist with no morals what-so-ever.

So sure, nuke them all.
Smash the threat to our freedom.
Commit mass genocide in the name of safety.

It makes you no better than Stalin, Hitler and dozens of other corrupt dictators.

It makes you no better than the people you want to stop.

It makes you no better than I.

But as I said, I have no morals. I'd gladly turn the Middle East into the world's night light - glowing green softly for all to see. I'm totally self centred. I don't care about committing terrible acts to protect my own hide.

So long as you realise that "smashing" the government that threatens your way of life is exactly what the Middle Eastern terrorists want to do to us, then I support your little rant here.

So long as you realise, you are condoning the mass killing of innocents to further your own agenda, then I agree - better their innocents than my friends.

So long as you realise that by standing up to this "abuse" you're becoming everything you hate, I'm right here patting you on the back.

Welcome to the Evil Club. Putting ourselves first no matter what the cost.
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