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The God Thread, Version 2.0
Topic Started: Jun 26 2006, 06:52 PM (1,081 Views)
Nag Ehgoeg
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Jul 1 2006, 12:10 PM
Nag Ehgoeg
Jul 1 2006, 10:12 AM
And if the Pope said Jesus wasn't devine, what do you think would happen then?

Who knows? He would be denounced as heretical because he would be going against the centuries-old teachings of the Church, which has been ratified by numerous councils and previous Popes, saints and other Holy people.

Exactly, and why would they do it for the Pope but not some random lunatic?
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New Harumf
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Actually, there was a very large group of early christians that believed when John baptized Christ, God entered him, and right before he died on the cross, God left him (Mark - My God, why have you forsaken me. That ONLY appears in the gospel of Mark).

Early Gospels were re-written to dispell this theory so this particular sect could be branded heretical. No one even knows what the original Gospels had in them, for goodness sake, so to claim you must follow the gospels is absurd - without dogma, you are following nonsence, and dogma will change are older and earlier texts are discovered.
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Quaon
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jul 1 2006, 11:54 AM
I'm really glad you posted that as I was just coming in to say the same thing: no-one is going to change their mind over this, so we'll find out when we die.

Personally, I think it'd be damn unfair if your view of god isn't right - but then the world is unfair.

Perhaps because I have trouble seeing beyond the "real world" and what I've actually experienced, I just can't bring myself to believe in the fair and loving god you guys seem to favour.

But hey, I think the entire idea of "god" is crap so... meh. (I was going to go and compare the Bible to Mein Kampf...)

So yeah, we'll find out when we die, so lets just live and let live eh?

You can't see the quantam mechanics of the universe, but they are still there. Is God so much of a greater stretch?
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The Empire of The Iron Fish
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I really, 100% do not believe in God. Or any "higher power". And I'm a Confirmed Catholic, who was an altar boy for five years and went to Catholic school.

I'm not really sure I have a reason, either. I just....don't believe.
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It's called materialism. That's your reason.
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Sorry, Tyler, but I am my fucking khakis. Materialism is awesome. Stuff~! Things~! Those are what fill the aching void, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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No. We think they fill the void, and they do a great job of making us think they are filling the void but at the end of the day they don't. Money does not bring you, in any way, shape or form, happiness.
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Jul 1 2006, 03:03 PM
No. We think they fill the void, and they do a great job of making us think they are filling the void but at the end of the day they don't. Money does not bring you, in any way, shape or form, happiness.

Generally, it is people without money that say this!! :lol: :lol:
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Jul 1 2006, 02:59 PM
Sorry, Tyler, but I am my fucking khakis. Materialism is awesome. Stuff~! Things~! Those are what fill the aching void, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Who is Tyler???
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Jul 1 2006, 03:11 PM
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Jul 1 2006, 03:03 PM
No. We think they fill the void, and they do a great job of making us think they are filling the void but at the end of the day they don't. Money does not bring you, in any way, shape or form, happiness.

Generally, it is people without money that say this!! :lol: :lol:

Well, that may be true but what I said is probably more true.
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Jul 1 2006, 03:12 PM
Who is Tyler???

One would assume a reference to Fight Club, with the "You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world" line.

And matrialism powaa.
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Jul 1 2006, 03:03 PM
No. We think they fill the void, and they do a great job of making us think they are filling the void but at the end of the day they don't. Money does not bring you, in any way, shape or form, happiness.

Actually, money does bring you happiness... to an extent...
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Jul 1 2006, 03:24 PM
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Jul 1 2006, 03:03 PM
No. We think they fill the void, and they do a great job of making us think they are filling the void but at the end of the day they don't. Money does not bring you, in any way, shape or form, happiness.

Actually, money does bring you happiness... to an extent...

Superficial happiness, not true happiness. Like I said, it's a drug. It makes you think you're something that you're not. It makes you think you're truly happy when you're not.
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Jul 1 2006, 03:28 PM
Esternarx
Jul 1 2006, 03:24 PM
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Jul 1 2006, 03:03 PM
No. We think they fill the void, and they do a great job of making us think they are filling the void but at the end of the day they don't. Money does not bring you, in any way, shape or form, happiness.

Actually, money does bring you happiness... to an extent...

Superficial happiness, not true happiness. Like I said, it's a drug. It makes you think you're something that you're not. It makes you think you're truly happy when you're not.

You can define happiness any way you want. The truth is, an extremely poor person will be made happier if they have enough to buy food, a house, clothing, etc. If a person is already extremely rich however, the happiness buying power of money is diminished. Even if you call it superficial. Superficial happiness is still happiness... to an extent...
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But what I'm saying we are all lacking, and which cannot be fulfilled by money, is true happiness. That only comes from faith in my opinion.
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Quaon
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My good God CE, how can you think like that and still hate communists?
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I don't hate anyone.

I am very socialist, never hid that, but I can never be communist because of a few fundamental disagreements. Firstly, I do believe there is a natural hierarchy to society, I also don't believe that there can be total equality etc.
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Socialist economic theory has been proven wrong. Period. Get over it.
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Jul 1 2006, 05:35 PM
Socialist economic theory has been proven wrong. Period. Get over it.

Only certain socialist models. And I won't abandon something that has, at its core aim, a greater equality for all, that seeks to look after the poor instead of abandoning them to death.

I'm not heartless like that.
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You are a dumb☭ss if you think that socialism provides its people with anything more than misery and poverty.
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Well, France is quite socialistic. I wouldn't say it's people are all in pverty and miserable.

And, I would say you are the dumbass if you think capitalism, as you favour it, does not lead to the vast majority of people being exploited, dragged into poverty and miserable whilst the white elite (as it would no doubt be) have huge amounts of riches.

Now, you're turning me into a fervent red-man, which I don't like. I much prefer to be seen as a third way/corporatist kind of person. We have a duty to the poor.
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Quaon
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Jul 1 2006, 05:51 PM
Well, France is quite socialistic. I wouldn't say it's people are all in pverty and miserable.

And, I would say you are the dumbass if you think capitalism, as you favour it, does not lead to the vast majority of people being exploited, dragged into poverty and miserable whilst the white elite (as it would no doubt be) have huge amounts of riches.

Now, you're turning me into a fervent red-man, which I don't like. I much prefer to be seen as a third way/corporatist kind of person. We have a duty to the poor.

Also, Canada is highly socialist, but they do fine.
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France has plenty of capitalism as well. At least enough to make it wealthy enough that the government can steal some and still seem fairly prosperous. France sucks on the wealth created by the entrepeneuring capitalists there and uses that to make their country somewhat tolerable. It is the capitalistic aspect of France that makes it better, and the socialistic aspects that makes it worse. Only under capitalism has humanity been able to rise out of poverty and oppression and become more prosperous. Only under capitalism has racism been eliminated and people judged by merit and not by the color of their skin. How in the hell is capitalism exploitative!!?? Capitalism is the freedom to do what you want with your own money. Capitalism is freedom. Socialism is thugs stealing money from the rich and using it how they want to. What's more exploitive? Socialism has been proven to be far more detrimental to the people it is s'posed to help than capitalism can ever be. Capitalism is morally superior to socialism. Wealth, the means by which life is made better on this earth, is created only under capitalism. Under socialism, the means to create wealth, the freedom to do what you want with your own money, is destroyed. So gone with the ability to create wealth, is the progress of society. Society stalls, and we slowly descend back into poverty and misery as the few that now own the wealth and don't allow anyone to make any more live like kings.

By the way, I didn't call you a dumbass.


Edit: Dammit, why do I always attack CE!? Ignore this post.
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Jul 1 2006, 05:59 PM
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Jul 1 2006, 05:51 PM
Well, France is quite socialistic. I wouldn't say it's people are all in pverty and miserable.

And, I would say you are the dumbass if you think capitalism, as you favour it, does not lead to the vast majority of people being exploited, dragged into poverty and miserable whilst the white elite (as it would no doubt be) have huge amounts of riches.

Now, you're turning me into a fervent red-man, which I don't like. I much prefer to be seen as a third way/corporatist kind of person. We have a duty to the poor.

Also, Canada is highly socialist, but they do fine.

And Canada as well!
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Jul 1 2006, 01:05 PM
Nag Ehgoeg
Jul 1 2006, 11:54 AM
I'm really glad you posted that as I was just coming in to say the same thing: no-one is going to change their mind over this, so we'll find out when we die.

Personally, I think it'd be damn unfair if your view of god isn't right - but then the world is unfair.

Perhaps because I have trouble seeing beyond the "real world" and what I've actually experienced, I just can't bring myself to believe in the fair and loving god you guys seem to favour.

But hey, I think the entire idea of "god" is crap so... meh. (I was going to go and compare the Bible to Mein Kampf...)

So yeah, we'll find out when we die, so lets just live and let live eh?

You can't see the quantam mechanics of the universe, but they are still there. Is God so much of a greater stretch?

Because the Laws of Nature aren't all loving. They simply are.
The Laws of Nature aren't all knowing. They simply are.
The Laws of Nature can be codified, explained and counted on.

An invisable friend with ultimate power is a huge stretch.

Kiensland
Jul 1 2006, 03:23 PM
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Jul 1 2006, 03:12 PM
Who is Tyler???

One would assume a reference to Fight Club, with the "You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world" line.

And matrialism powaa.

Is that what a man looks like?

Catholic Europe
Jul 1 2006, 03:28 PM
Esternarx
Jul 1 2006, 03:24 PM
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Jul 1 2006, 03:03 PM
No. We think they fill the void, and they do a great job of making us think they are filling the void but at the end of the day they don't. Money does not bring you, in any way, shape or form, happiness.

Actually, money does bring you happiness... to an extent...

Superficial happiness, not true happiness. Like I said, it's a drug. It makes you think you're something that you're not. It makes you think you're truly happy when you're not.

Bull dokey. My DS makes me happier now than worshipping god did when I was ten.

And about attacking CE... it seems to be a natural response :P

Now I believe in this: money implies poverty.

When we're advanced enough to produce more than we can ever use, and can do away with this crude form of rationing we will truely have paradise.
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