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Do you believe in God?
Yes, 100% 4 (22.2%)
Yes, but ocassionally I have doubts 6 (33.3%)
I am agnostic 2 (11.1%)
No, but if presented with evidence, I would believe/sometimes I feel like God is real 0 (0%)
Atheist 100% 4 (22.2%)
Other: religious but don't believe in God, etc. 2 (11.1%)
Total Votes: 18
The God Thread, Version 2.0
Topic Started: Jun 26 2006, 06:52 PM (1,076 Views)
Quaon
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Well, I checked some old threads, and thought it would be interesting to see what everyone's views on God were, since the forum has changed a lot.
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To quote "Don Quixote", "I am too much of a coward to believe in nothing."
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I don't know about God, but I am convinced that man kind doesn't completely understand how this world works yet. That is to say, I believe in fate, and accepted the somewhat annoying fact (IMO) that the future is fixed and probably can't be changed.
So, is there a God who controls all those things? I don't know. Actually, I don't think that a 'personality God' exists, like in the Bible. The mercyful personality God, Yeovah, Allah or whatever, wouldn't have let horrible things like the holocaust or the Tzunami happen, among other things. But some of the forces of nature are still undiscovered, and we might still be surprised by it.
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Kiensland
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Atheist powaa, and so forth.
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Jun 27 2006, 07:37 AM
Atheist powaa, and so forth.

I just saw your quote "I am scared, Dave. Will I dream?" What a great line, right up there with Hamlet's and a few others, and the meat of a very religious, introspective, meaning-of-God type of film. The perfect quote.

Just a note of kudos!!!
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NRE
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I guess I'll vote other because I personally believe in almost everything, though not as strictly as others. Like God, sure I believe there's a "God" but do I believe what the bible tells me about God? No, nor do I believe God is a "Him" or a "Her." I try in all areas to completely keep an open mind about things that way at least I'm not completely surprised at the end of the day.
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Filo
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I belive in God.
Also if not strictly in a catholic One.
I belive that all religion are true and that god has showed himself to all good men(and at all not good or worse men for the matter).
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Yes.
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East Anarx
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I chose "Yes, but occasionally I have doubts." I personally don't see how anyone, no matter how religious or devout they are, could vote "Yes, 100%", everyone has doubted God at least once. It's so easy to lose track of what God's plan is and its so easy to be distracted by other things.
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Quaon
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Esternarx
Jun 27 2006, 08:13 PM
I chose "Yes, but occasionally I have doubts." I personally don't see how anyone, no matter how religious or devout they are, could vote "Yes, 100%", everyone has doubted God at least once. It's so easy to lose track of what God's plan is and its so easy to be distracted by other things.

That's a pretty much how I feel, E.
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Al Araam
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Athiest solidarity, Kiensland.
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East Anarx
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Just wondering, how can you atheists be so sure there isn't a God?
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Solidarity comrades.

And Quaon... why must you bring every Jolt thread here?

I can't be bothered to cut and paste my response on the NS forum, but if the clouds parted and a bearded dude looked down on me and said "I am the I am. I am the alpha and the omega, and you Andrew would do well to heed my religious teachings" and set some bushes on fire and so forth, I'd look him square in the eyes and say "I don't believe in Peter Pan, Frankenstien or Super Man, what makes you think I'll worship you ****tard?"
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jun 29 2006, 02:28 PM
Solidarity comrades.

And Quaon... why must you bring every Jolt thread here?

I can't be bothered to cut and paste my response on the NS forum, but if the clouds parted and a bearded dude looked down on me and said "I am the I am. I am the alpha and the omega, and you Andrew would do well to heed my religious teachings" and set some bushes on fire and so forth, I'd look him square in the eyes and say "I don't believe in Peter Pan, Frankenstien or Super Man, what makes you think I'll worship you ****tard?"

And then, supposing all that happened, you would be perfectly content to spend eternity in hell?
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Hell yes. I'd kick Satan into gear, "What the **** have you guys been doing for the past six thousand years?! Seriously, we need to modernise, have you ever heard of delegation! I mean making me listen to The Cartoons while jabbing me with hot pokers is painful as... well 'hell' but seriously, we should be plotting for the End of Days, because God is set to kick your ass. Come on, give me a pitch fork and let me talk you through a few ideas I've been having."

If god exists, particularly the Christian/Jewish/Muslim god, then he is not worthy of my worship. He deserves to die. And I will fight him until I'm thrown in the lake of fire.

Sure I'm less than an ant to him, but ebola can kill a person.

[Edit]

To quote a wise man:

"The justness of a cause cannot be measured by strength of arms" (or something to that effect.
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That's such crap. You would not kick Satan nor God in the bollox. And you won't enjoy Hell.
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jun 29 2006, 02:42 PM
Hell yes. I'd kick Satan into gear, "What the **** have you guys been doing for the past six thousand years?! Seriously, we need to modernise, have you ever heard of delegation! I mean making me listen to The Cartoons while jabbing me with hot pokers is painful as... well 'hell' but seriously, we should be plotting for the End of Days, because God is set to kick your ass. Come on, give me a pitch fork and let me talk you through a few ideas I've been having."

If god exists, particularly the Christian/Jewish/Muslim god, then he is not worthy of my worship. He deserves to die. And I will fight him until I'm thrown in the lake of fire.

Sure I'm less than an ant to him, but ebola can kill a person.

[Edit]

To quote a wise man:

"The justness of a cause cannot be measured by strength of arms" (or something to that effect.

Doesn't belief in Satan pretty much require belief in a Judeo/Christian God?? And that said, isn't it pretty stupid to piss off the predicted victor of the final battle??
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Tristan da Cunha
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Jun 27 2006, 03:56 AM
I don't know about God, but I am convinced that man kind doesn't completely understand how this world works yet. That is to say, I believe in fate, and accepted the somewhat annoying fact (IMO) that the future is fixed and probably can't be changed.
So, is there a God who controls all those things? I don't know. Actually, I don't think that a 'personality God' exists, like in the Bible. The mercyful personality God, Yeovah, Allah or whatever, wouldn't have let horrible things like the holocaust or the Tzunami happen, among other things. But some of the forces of nature are still undiscovered, and we might still be surprised by it.

I agree with this. There may or may not be a God, and humans may or may not ever find out whether God exisst.
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Jun 27 2006, 03:56 AM
I don't know about God, but I am convinced that man kind doesn't completely understand how this world works yet. That is to say, I believe in fate, and accepted the somewhat annoying fact (IMO) that the future is fixed and probably can't be changed.
So, is there a God who controls all those things? I don't know. Actually, I don't think that a 'personality God' exists, like in the Bible. The mercyful personality God, Yeovah, Allah or whatever, wouldn't have let horrible things like the holocaust or the Tzunami happen, among other things. But some of the forces of nature are still undiscovered, and we might still be surprised by it.

I agree with this. There may or may not be a God, and humans may or may not ever find out whether God exisst.

I kind of almost sort of agree, but if God doesn't exist, then how did the universe possibly come into existence? You can talk all you want about the big bang and matter being compacted into a point of singularity and then exploding and then re-compacting back to singularity and so on and so forth, but some outside force had to start it. I believe God exists outside the frame of the human mind and outside the constraints of time and space. He set it all into motion and after setting up the laws of nature, he let things happen naturally. IMHO...
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Jun 29 2006, 03:05 PM
Nag Ehgoeg
Jun 29 2006, 02:42 PM
Hell yes. I'd kick Satan into gear, "What the **** have you guys been doing for the past six thousand years?! Seriously, we need to modernise, have you ever heard of delegation! I mean making me listen to The Cartoons while jabbing me with hot pokers is painful as... well 'hell' but seriously, we should be plotting for the End of Days, because God is set to kick your ass. Come on, give me a pitch fork and let me talk you through a few ideas I've been having."

If god exists, particularly the Christian/Jewish/Muslim god, then he is not worthy of my worship. He deserves to die. And I will fight him until I'm thrown in the lake of fire.

Sure I'm less than an ant to him, but ebola can kill a person.

[Edit]

To quote a wise man:

"The justness of a cause cannot be measured by strength of arms" (or something to that effect.

Doesn't belief in Satan pretty much require belief in a Judeo/Christian God?? And that said, isn't it pretty stupid to piss off the predicted victor of the final battle??

I honestly believe that England will win the world cup.

And I don't believe in a Christian Satan. But I don't believe in the Christian god either. If I'm wrong, I'd support Satan over god.

And I wouldn't enjoy hell. It's impossible to enjoy hell. It's hell.

But do you really think that torture until doomsday where I'm given the choice to repent or be destroyed utterly is the best way for god to win my love?

The Christian god is a bully and a thug. The Christian Satan is an evil bastard as well - but at least Satan is honest about it. Satan is weaker than god, and thus can't be as oppressive a master and will be easier to overthrow.

I'd do everything in my power to bring down the biggest threat (god - you know, the guy who's condemned me to being tortured for standing against his blackmail) then try to bring down the weaker of two evils (Satan).

If the Christian god exists, I'm screwed. I don't expect to win. But it won't stop me fighting for what is right.

An all powerful, all knowing god would know everything that's going to happen in the world. He'll know exactly how to create it to get a certain result. Sure we have free will. Sure we choose to act a certain way, but he created us and know what we'll choose. We're responsible for our own actions, but god knows what actions we will take and god makes the rules as to what actions are against his rules and what actions wil curry favour with him. God could have made brussel sprouts taste like carrots - both are good for you. He didn't. God made the world knowing we will fail. He knew that in providing temptation we would fall for it. And he chose to punish us. God is evil.

God could have made the world any way he chose. He chose to make man weak. To make us sin and hurt each other. Anything less than this would be admitting that god isn't all powerful or all knowing.

God is evil.

Now god is also smart, so he makes someone worse than him. A powerful enemy much weaker than himself. Someone to inherit the evils of the world that god created.

The Christian Satan is a "human shield" he's a "punching bag" he's a "puppet". Evil? Sure, but not a patch on god.

I don't believe in any "higher being". I think the whole idea is crap and borne out of low self esteem and a hatred of human nature. If a higher being does exist, then I don't believe that it can be all powerful and all knowing. If such a flawed being exists, then maybe there is a good reason to love and worship it. If it can show me it's faults and "prove" that it's a decent entity, I'd be happy to worship it. If it shows off it's powers and demands I bow down, then I'll fight it with everything I've got.

If a higher force exists (karma, an "inpersonal" god) then there's no point in worshiping it - it's just like science and the theory of gravity, ok so it's there, big deal, no need to worship it.

Esternarx
Jun 29 2006, 04:47 PM
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Jun 27 2006, 03:56 AM
I don't know about God, but I am convinced that man kind doesn't completely understand how this world works yet. That is to say, I believe in fate, and accepted the somewhat annoying fact (IMO) that the future is fixed and probably can't be changed.
So, is there a God who controls all those things? I don't know. Actually, I don't think that a 'personality God' exists, like in the Bible. The mercyful personality God, Yeovah, Allah or whatever, wouldn't have let horrible things like the holocaust or the Tzunami happen, among other things. But some of the forces of nature are still undiscovered, and we might still be surprised by it.

I agree with this. There may or may not be a God, and humans may or may not ever find out whether God exisst.

I kind of almost sort of agree, but if God doesn't exist, then how did the universe possibly come into existence? You can talk all you want about the big bang and matter being compacted into a point of singularity and then exploding and then re-compacting back to singularity and so on and so forth, but some outside force had to start it. I believe God exists outside the frame of the human mind and outside the constraints of time and space. He set it all into motion and after setting up the laws of nature, he let things happen naturally. IMHO...

Why? What started god?

If God doesn't need a start, the universe doesn't need a start.

The universe is the uncaused cause.

There is a point singularity.
It expands.
The universe is created and continues to expand.
The universe runs out of kinetic energy and is pulled back in on itself by gravity.
The universe contracts.
All of the energy and matter in the universe is contained in one point.
There is a point singularity.
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For the first thing, i suggest Nag to readcarefully the Bibble(or the Quoran, or the Avesta for the Matteter).
For the second i sugget you to read something about demonology, so to lears something about Devil and Satan, starting from his name.

Then you return here and tell me what you have learn about.

I don't belive in Devil and in the Hell because God is love, or at least Bibble tells me so.
God is not a Thug, God offer to ypu the possibility to love him, you will never see an angelic host fall down from shy to trasform you in a beliver, as Jesus says "You have the law and the prophets, follow them".
And you don't tink to hell as a world behiond but here, in this time and place, if you choose to belive only in you, you have no salvation, doomed to a life of suffering and pain...
Hell is impossible to exist...because God loves his creatures.
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Jun 29 2006, 02:28 PM
... I'd look him square in the eyes and say "I don't believe in Peter Pan, Frankenstien or Super Man, what makes you think I'll worship you ****tard?"

I guess all you'd want to do in that situation is ride your bicycle.
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Each must seek his own truth.

There is a parable. The devil and another are watching a man walk down the street. He bends over, and pick something up. The friend says, "what did he pick up?" The devil replies, "The truth."

The friend says, "Then we are doomed."

And the devil replies, "No, we are saved, he will try to explain it, and catalogue it."

The instant you try to catalogue and explain your truth to others, it is no longer the truth. Others can believe, follow you and your "truth", but it is not their truth, it is yours, and eventually, for them, it will no longer fit them, and they will corrupt it to fit, and re-box and re-package it, until it bears no resemblence to any truth at all.

God is. That is all I know for sure. Any other attempt to describe God, deminishes God. Makes God more human-like, and diminishes God. Cannot call God him, cannot call God spirit, cannot call God in any humanly understandable term. All we can do is search for the truth. For ourselves.

However, I am too much of a coward to believe in nothing, so I clicked "Yes" above.
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Kiensland
Jun 29 2006, 04:09 PM
Nag Ehgoeg
Jun 29 2006, 02:28 PM
... I'd look him square in the eyes and say "I don't believe in Peter Pan, Frankenstien or Super Man, what makes you think I'll worship you ****tard?"

I guess all you'd want to do in that situation is ride your bicycle.

Damn it I knew I had heard that somewhere and you got to it before ah well. :lol:


As for God I've always wonder why on earth (Or heaven I suppose) does God have to be a him? I think it's stupid and I don't believe that God is a him at all. I mean to me if God is what God is supposed to be, then I certainly can't be content with the thought that God is restricted by Gender or form. But that's just a hopeless rant of mine.

As for if God exists, I'm open to the idea but as I said I'm open to a lot of ideas. But when it comes to God, I'm always reminded (weirdly) of Futurama. Specifically the episode called "GodFellas" where Bender is shot out into space and floats helplessly. At one point he gets to play God, but everyone dies and then he supposedly gets to meet God. Well, the point is that when it comes to God's existence I am reminded by this quote:

God
 
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.


However, all in all I'm a bigger fan of the idea of accention
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Quaon
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jun 29 2006, 04:50 PM
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jun 29 2006, 02:42 PM
Hell yes. I'd kick Satan into gear, "What the **** have you guys been doing for the past six thousand years?! Seriously, we need to modernise, have you ever heard of delegation! I mean making me listen to The Cartoons while jabbing me with hot pokers is painful as... well 'hell' but seriously, we should be plotting for the End of Days, because God is set to kick your ass. Come on, give me a pitch fork and let me talk you through a few ideas I've been having."

If god exists, particularly the Christian/Jewish/Muslim god, then he is not worthy of my worship. He deserves to die. And I will fight him until I'm thrown in the lake of fire.

Sure I'm less than an ant to him, but ebola can kill a person.

[Edit]

To quote a wise man:

"The justness of a cause cannot be measured by strength of arms" (or something to that effect.

Doesn't belief in Satan pretty much require belief in a Judeo/Christian God?? And that said, isn't it pretty stupid to piss off the predicted victor of the final battle??

I honestly believe that England will win the world cup.

And I don't believe in a Christian Satan. But I don't believe in the Christian god either. If I'm wrong, I'd support Satan over god.

And I wouldn't enjoy hell. It's impossible to enjoy hell. It's hell.

But do you really think that torture until doomsday where I'm given the choice to repent or be destroyed utterly is the best way for god to win my love?

The Christian god is a bully and a thug. The Christian Satan is an evil bastard as well - but at least Satan is honest about it. Satan is weaker than god, and thus can't be as oppressive a master and will be easier to overthrow.

I'd do everything in my power to bring down the biggest threat (god - you know, the guy who's condemned me to being tortured for standing against his blackmail) then try to bring down the weaker of two evils (Satan).

If the Christian god exists, I'm screwed. I don't expect to win. But it won't stop me fighting for what is right.

An all powerful, all knowing god would know everything that's going to happen in the world. He'll know exactly how to create it to get a certain result. Sure we have free will. Sure we choose to act a certain way, but he created us and know what we'll choose. We're responsible for our own actions, but god knows what actions we will take and god makes the rules as to what actions are against his rules and what actions wil curry favour with him. God could have made brussel sprouts taste like carrots - both are good for you. He didn't. God made the world knowing we will fail. He knew that in providing temptation we would fall for it. And he chose to punish us. God is evil.

God could have made the world any way he chose. He chose to make man weak. To make us sin and hurt each other. Anything less than this would be admitting that god isn't all powerful or all knowing.

God is evil.

Now god is also smart, so he makes someone worse than him. A powerful enemy much weaker than himself. Someone to inherit the evils of the world that god created.

The Christian Satan is a "human shield" he's a "punching bag" he's a "puppet". Evil? Sure, but not a patch on god.

I don't believe in any "higher being". I think the whole idea is crap and borne out of low self esteem and a hatred of human nature. If a higher being does exist, then I don't believe that it can be all powerful and all knowing. If such a flawed being exists, then maybe there is a good reason to love and worship it. If it can show me it's faults and "prove" that it's a decent entity, I'd be happy to worship it. If it shows off it's powers and demands I bow down, then I'll fight it with everything I've got.

If a higher force exists (karma, an "inpersonal" god) then there's no point in worshiping it - it's just like science and the theory of gravity, ok so it's there, big deal, no need to worship it.

Esternarx
Jun 29 2006, 04:47 PM
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Jun 29 2006, 03:06 PM
United State of Israel
Jun 27 2006, 03:56 AM
I don't know about God, but I am convinced that man kind doesn't completely understand how this world works yet. That is to say, I believe in fate, and accepted the somewhat annoying fact (IMO) that the future is fixed and probably can't be changed.
So, is there a God who controls all those things? I don't know. Actually, I don't think that a 'personality God' exists, like in the Bible. The mercyful personality God, Yeovah, Allah or whatever, wouldn't have let horrible things like the holocaust or the Tzunami happen, among other things. But some of the forces of nature are still undiscovered, and we might still be surprised by it.

I agree with this. There may or may not be a God, and humans may or may not ever find out whether God exisst.

I kind of almost sort of agree, but if God doesn't exist, then how did the universe possibly come into existence? You can talk all you want about the big bang and matter being compacted into a point of singularity and then exploding and then re-compacting back to singularity and so on and so forth, but some outside force had to start it. I believe God exists outside the frame of the human mind and outside the constraints of time and space. He set it all into motion and after setting up the laws of nature, he let things happen naturally. IMHO...

Why? What started god?

If God doesn't need a start, the universe doesn't need a start.

The universe is the uncaused cause.

There is a point singularity.
It expands.
The universe is created and continues to expand.
The universe runs out of kinetic energy and is pulled back in on itself by gravity.
The universe contracts.
All of the energy and matter in the universe is contained in one point.
There is a point singularity.

Nag, think for a second. You don't believe any Holy Book. Now, for a second, let's say there is a God, and you are dead. There are so many different interpertations of God throughout one religion: it is extremly unlikely anyone has it completly right. Maybe the interpertation that all go to Heaven is correct, perhaps not.

Think of God as a parent figure. He (I'm just using that pronoun for simplicity) wants to help you as best he can, but he knows that you will grow to hate him if he involves himself in every little thing in your life. He can't always be there when we screw up.

Trust me, I hate the people who potray God the way you assume all theists do. Also, by the way, nearly all Christian denominations in the world that believe in Hell don't believe you can be redeemed after you die.
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