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Topic Started: Jan 26 2006, 06:22 AM (973 Views)
NRE
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Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman

:rolleyes: .......... :ph43r: To the RP graveyard *plays spooky music*
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Al Araam
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Actually, I believe this wasn't the original forum. There are some archives of conflicts on the last page of the general Middle East forum from before my time. Before that I think they got lost when a new forum was adopted.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Ah the old forum.

I suggested we have an offsite forum way back when, and I said I'd set up a temporary thing until someone came up with something better.

That tempory forum lasted about a year.
That someone was Paradise.
That forum was this one.

All the important stuff was either resolved or transfered, with the exception of two maps.

Which leads me nicely into map history (I know I'm like those old men who start off by giving sagely advice, then long winded answers to your questions followed by completely random ranting):

In the beginning there was my map, and it was bad. Very bad.
So a plea went up on the forum (of old) and some weeks later up came Maronites shot:
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Unbenownst to myself Patrua's map, which we would come to recognise as the offical, was well in the works (strangly enough, Patrua used the same "template" for his map as I used for mine).

Both [ur=http://mkeen.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/MiddleEast.gif]Kiensland[/url] and Catholic Europe tried their hand at map making (and the Corsairio map while rather below par but worth a mention) but in the end Patrua's l33t skillz won though before he passed the map mantel to Al Araam, who holds it nicely.

And while we're on the subject of the old forum did I ever tell you about the orginal Nagian Defence Force? It contained a chicken with razor blades strapped to it's feet and a satalite defense system.

Or how about the Great Purge, when CE deleted every thread on the forum?

Oh and the vote buying and cross endorsing. Man was the UN corrupt back in my day, but then you young whipper snappers who where arround when Oaksendem got into power should have an inkling of what things where like before delegate powers made everyone more responsible.

And the old pin code hack. That was a great one, had lots of fun with that. Made logging into your own nation quite convienant to. But then, a hack that's easier than a log in was bound to be fixed sooner or later.

But still, it was a golden time.

You couldn't want for a war. Now-a-days these world wars take planing! Pish! I seem to remember a middle east of 120 nations, with no less than 60 nations at or preparing for war at any given time.

Oh my lord and the Popes. Today's Popes look like... uh... Priests compared to the Popes of old. Now those where religious nutcases... I mean "leaders".

And everyone knew where they stood. CE was the crazy faith guy. Paradise was an unstoppable military machine. Nag Ehgoeg stood as a refuge for those fleeing war, and I seem to remember being rather fair and quite infalliable back in the day (but how good a person you are IRL seems to be inversely proportional to how good you are online).

I remember when Patrua was a unknown. When Elias was a veteran. When Kiensland was active!

And this one time...

[Edit]

Forgot to mention good old Egypt. Man we had some laughs with Egypt right CE. There was a dude for you.
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Catholic Europe
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Just a little edit for you - I asked for the creation of a regional forum, you took the effort to get one going. But I originally mentionned, much the same as I originally mentionned that we should have a regional map (which was originally created by the Maronites).

As for Egypt, yes he was a dude. An amazing guy, shame he had to go and get banned from NS.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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You did indeed mention that we should have the map.

But I definately started the first map before the Marrionittes.

While you suggested the forum idea, the lack of an offsite forum was the reason that I wouldn't leave the Massassi Jungle.
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Jan 30 2006, 11:12 AM
You did indeed mention that we should have the map.

But I definately started the first map before the Marrionittes.

While you suggested the forum idea, the lack of an offsite forum was the reason that I wouldn't leave the Massassi Jungle.

But you still brought some of your nations over to Middle East whilst having a nation in Massassi Jungle.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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One. I brought one nation over. DnS. While leaving Nag in the Jungle.

And my Europe nation... and pasific nation... and a couple of other nations in different regions...
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Catholic Europe
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But still, the fact remains that you came over.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Yep.

And I thank you for it good sir.

I've had some good times here. It has indeed been fun.
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Catholic Europe
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That's ok.
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The CNNP
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I do have to admit. This forum is fun, although I am still learning the technicalities of it...but I am learning :lol: .
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jan 30 2006, 11:17 AM
One. I brought one nation over. DnS. While leaving Nag in the Jungle.

And my Europe nation... and pasific nation... and a couple of other nations in different regions...

Nag, you had nations all over the place, including multiple ID's on the forum. I believe you were the reason for banning stelth identities on the forum.

One good thing - in the early days, I never, ever was UN delegate, so no one can blame anything on me.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Jan 30 2006, 12:22 PM
Nag Ehgoeg
Jan 30 2006, 11:17 AM
One. I brought one nation over. DnS. While leaving Nag in the Jungle.

And my Europe nation... and pasific nation... and a couple of other nations in different regions...

Nag, you had nations all over the place, including multiple ID's on the forum. I believe you were the reason for banning stelth identities on the forum.

One good thing - in the early days, I never, ever was UN delegate, so no one can blame anything on me.

Uh, it was my idea to ban stealth log ins on the forum.

And I only had 3 forum accounts... that where mine... (however on AG the admin can see the password assigned to every user... which I never abused).

I have never maintained more than 5 nations, and I've never had more than 3 active at one time.

Now logging into someone elses puppets and abusing them that's another matter (heh).
But I've only ever done that for the greater good... ok one time to CE because he pissed me off (but I just deleted his flag, no biggy).
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What nation of mine was that? I don't remember.
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Filo
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Sorry...this time stuff is not understendable at me...

From how long the Succession war is During? and then how long is last Rhone one?

Tanks
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Noriega
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Feb 2 2006, 02:50 PM
Sorry...this time stuff is not understendable at me...

From how long the Succession war is During? and then how long is last Rhone one?

Tanks

Time is relative. The Rhone War was much shorter than the War of Succession, but a little longer than the DSC in Asia. That is about the gyst of it. You can only really tell time by cmoparing events to others. The actual time length in days, years, etc. is open for interpretation. To Norightsia, the Burmese War lasted a month, to Kiru Tao a couple of days. But everyone can agree that it lasted realtively shoter than the American Crusade, but longer than the Vallahalla Incident. Actual time measurement units dont apply.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Yeah it's all relative, and based on your personal preferences.

For example, the Zion War's duration was shorter than the South African Civil War, but the Zion War began before the SA Civil War, and ended after it.

For a scientific explanation of all this, consult Einstein's publications.
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Feb 2 2006, 02:50 PM
Sorry...this time stuff is not understendable at me...

From how long the Succession war is During? and then how long is last Rhone one?

Tanks

F=MA
2
S=1/2AT + V T
0
2
E=MC

Solve for T
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Feb 3 2006, 12:37 AM
Filo
Feb 2 2006, 02:50 PM
Sorry...this time stuff is not understendable at me...

From how long the Succession war is During? and then how long is last Rhone one?

Tanks

F=MA
2
S=1/2AT + V T
0
2
E=MC

Solve for T

Force = Mass x Acceleration (Newtons second law of motion)

S = 1/2 AT^2 + 1xT
2S = AT^2 + T
2S/A = T^2 + T

Energy = Mass x Speed of Light Squared

Thus
A = F/M
M= E/C^2

Thus

2S x M x 8.9 x 10^16
__________________ = T^2 + T

F x E

Thus

T is equal to the root of twice S times mass, times the speed of light squared, divided by the force of the war times by the energy put into said war negative the time factor involved.

Therefore

It is impossible to calaculate the time taken for a war without a way of measuring it's impact on the NS world and the energy used to create said impact.

Even then

An arbitary time unit, such as an IC day or RL measurement, must be applied as time is a factor used on both sides of the equation, preventing it being solved by any means other than mathmatical trial and improvement.

So in conclusion

It's all relative, and based on your personal preferences.


PS: What the hell is S?
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Nag Ehgoeg
Feb 3 2006, 08:21 AM
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Feb 3 2006, 12:37 AM
Filo
Feb 2 2006, 02:50 PM
Sorry...this time stuff is not understendable at me...

From how long the Succession war is During? and then how long is last Rhone one?

Tanks

F=MA
2
S=1/2AT + V T
0
2
E=MC

Solve for T

Force = Mass x Acceleration (Newtons second law of motion)

S = 1/2 AT^2 + 1xT
2S = AT^2 + T
2S/A = T^2 + T

Energy = Mass x Speed of Light Squared

Thus
A = F/M
M= E/C^2

Thus

2S x M x 8.9 x 10^16
__________________ = T^2 + T

F x E

Thus

T is equal to the root of twice S times mass, times the speed of light squared, divided by the force of the war times by the energy put into said war negative the time factor involved.

Therefore

It is impossible to calaculate the time taken for a war without a way of measuring it's impact on the NS world and the energy used to create said impact.

Even then

An arbitary time unit, such as an IC day or RL measurement, must be applied as time is a factor used on both sides of the equation, preventing it being solved by any means other than mathmatical trial and improvement.

So in conclusion

It's all relative, and based on your personal preferences.


PS: What the hell is S?

S = Distance

Nice answer tho! I just put down everything I remembered from 2 years of Physics!!
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NRE
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:wacko: :wacko: .....now I remember why I never really enjoyed Physics class
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Feb 3 2006, 10:20 PM
:wacko: :wacko: .....now I remember why I never really enjoyed Physics class

:lol: NRE=confused^2
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Ah distance. Of course. In that case.

Taking "S" as a derrivative of the distance moved down a presupposed time line:

2S x M x 8.9 x 10^16
__________________ = T^2 + T

F x E

Then S is a term for time passed therefore:

2T x M x 8.9 x 10^16
__________________ = T^2 + T

F x E


Subtract "T" from both sides:

T x M x 8.9 x 10^16
__________________ = T^2

F x E

Divide by T:

T x M x 8.9 x 10^16
__________________ = T

F x E x T

Cancel to simplest form:

ΔM x 8.9 x 10^16
__________________ = T

F x E

OR

Time is equal to: total mass displaced over the course of the war; times by the speed of light to the power of two; divided by the amount of force involved in the war times by the amount of energy put into the war.

However

Was the force and energy invovled in a creative concept are purely arbitary and based solely from the view point of the parties invovled a war can last for however long someone wants it to have lasted.

That said

The opinions of a general concenus can be used to fix a relative length to any given event.

Thus

Statements such as "the Zion War's duration was shorter than the South African Civil War" can be made and held as true unless said statement is contested (in which case a relative time frame must be hashed out by the role playing community at large).

****

Now that's what I consider a "nice answer". Having S as a variable seemed like a cop out to me. Like saying "the meaning of life is X" and not defining "X".
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Nag Ehgoeg
Feb 5 2006, 04:49 PM
Ah distance. Of course. In that case.

Taking "S" as a derrivative of the distance moved down a presupposed time line:

2S x M x 8.9 x 10^16
__________________ = T^2 + T

F x E

Then S is a term for time passed therefore:

2T x M x 8.9 x 10^16
__________________ = T^2 + T

F x E


Subtract "T" from both sides:

T x M x 8.9 x 10^16
__________________ = T^2

F x E

Divide by T:

T x M x 8.9 x 10^16
__________________ = T

F x E x T

Cancel to simplest form:

ÄM x 8.9 x 10^16
__________________ = T

F x E

OR

Time is equal to: total mass displaced over the course of the war; times by the speed of light to the power of two; divided by the amount of force involved in the war times by the amount of energy put into the war.

However

Was the force and energy invovled in a creative concept are purely arbitary and based solely from the view point of the parties invovled a war can last for however long someone wants it to have lasted.

That said

The opinions of a general concenus can be used to fix a relative length to any given event.

Thus

Statements such as "the Zion War's duration was shorter than the South African Civil War" can be made and held as true unless said statement is contested (in which case a relative time frame must be hashed out by the role playing community at large).

****

Now that's what I consider a "nice answer". Having S as a variable seemed like a cop out to me. Like saying "the meaning of life is X" and not defining "X".

Triumph!! Congratulations, Dr. Einstein, the first Mationstates Nobel Prize in Mathmatics goes to Andrew Geoghegan, to put next to his Grammy!!
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