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Topic Started: Jan 16 2006, 06:11 AM (590 Views)
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Well it has been 3 weeks or so since I 'left'. This place has proved to hard to leave as now that certain characters have left I think I would find this place more enjoyable - much how it used to be.

I am wanting to return but I need you opinions on some issues:

1) I still wish to be a hinge between the Middle East and Europe. What are your thoughts on where I should be placed on the map?

2) What are your thoughts on how much land I should have?

3) What are your thoughts on how strong I should return?

4) How can I feature in the current RP (I was thinking of maybe having the population rebel against Norightsian authority, especially considering that they have somewhat moderated the Papacy and that is something a formerly very devout and extreme Catholic population would not like).
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Jan 16 2006, 06:11 AM
Well it has been 3 weeks or so since I 'left'. This place has proved to hard to leave as now that certain characters have left I think I would find this place more enjoyable - much how it used to be.

I am wanting to return but I need you opinions on some issues:

1) I still wish to be a hinge between the Middle East and Europe. What are your thoughts on where I should be placed on the map?

2) What are your thoughts on how much land I should have?

3) What are your thoughts on how strong I should return?

4) How can I feature in the current RP (I was thinking of maybe having the population rebel against Norightsian authority, especially considering that they have somewhat moderated the Papacy and that is something a formerly very devout and extreme Catholic population would not like).

I think you will need to do what the others of us have done when we left. Claim an open piece of land in the region of your choice, and e-mail the appropriate person to be added to the map.

I don't think Norightsia can be compelled to give back the Papacy. It was given to him freely, and he's doing OK by it.

That's all I can say on the subject, for now.
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Oh dear if that is my terms of condition for return then I'm not going to. I especially wish for the Papacy back.
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Jan 16 2006, 10:29 AM
Oh dear if that is my terms of condition for return then I'm not going to. I especially wish for the Papacy back.

Well, I have no problem with it, except I think Norightsia was going to bring back the Royal Papacy, and that one of Harumf's own was in line. If Norightsia and you work something out, then it's OK by me. You know me, I'm easy going, Mr.

I'll not step in your way.
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Jan 16 2006, 10:38 AM
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Jan 16 2006, 10:29 AM
Oh dear if that is my terms of condition for return then I'm not going to. I especially wish for the Papacy back.

Well, I have no problem with it, except I think Norightsia was going to bring back the Royal Papacy, and that one of Harumf's own was in line. If Norightsia and you work something out, then it's OK by me. You know me, I'm easy going, Mr.

I'll not step in your way.

Well I actually had a plan about that. I've got it all worked out in my head, well mostly anyways.
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Well, on the map thing, I don't mind you taking back a portion of what you once had, but I think for story sake it shouldn't be the whole thing. I mean we all pretty much RPed your nation crumbling and so it would be kinda hard to take it that your nation regain itself and all it's land back. I think it would be find if say you took back your capital and some land around it, but like I said not everything. This being IMHO.

As for the papacy, I think you should just work that out with Norightsia. NH is right that he was given it to him by you, and it'd be kinda sad to just have it taken back just because you returned. Maybe you could work out some storyline with him that gradually gives you back the Papacy. However, it is kinda up to you two.

As for how you should or could enter back into the current storyline, I think that's a question on whether or not you want to find Norightsia who is in your former country, or help fight NeoRome and it's allies to help out Saxe-Coburg. Like I said with the land, I don't think it'd be realistic given our common storyline that you could come back with a full force army, but maybe some Catholics could form some guerilla groups and attack supply lines and such.

All and all I think that if you return, you should take your time returning to full strength, at least say a month, so that is can be a realistic reconstruction of your nation. Because like I said, we did seem to all agree that your nation crumbled and fell and so I personally think that your return should be met with a period of reconstruction for Catholic Europe.
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I think you and Norightsia can work something out in regards to the papacy, the land issue is probably going to be a bit more complex. However, like Harumf, I am not going to interfere. ;)
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Good to have you back, CE! What if we give you all of Italy and Trieste, and a reasonably-sized enclave around Constantinople? Then you could say that the rest of your nation crumbled, but the Papacy managed to hold onto the two most important areas that belonged to it.
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Or at least give CE the Balkans and Turkey.
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I pretty much agree with everyone here. I think you can work out a resolution with Norightsia as to who controls the papacy. I'd be happy to see CE regaining at least Italy, and I would support that IC, because South Africa has always been complaining of secular Norightsian occupation of the papal lands.

As to the rest of the vast CE lands, I wouldn't mind RD taking over Anatolia, Thrace, and Greece, (and even the Syrian part of Egyria), so that the Orthodoxy can be headquartered at Constintinople and all the old Greek lands reconstituted. But don't take my words too seriously and I hope there will not be any sort of dispute rising over these issues.
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Jan 16 2006, 09:51 AM
I pretty much agree with everyone here. I think you can work out a resolution with Norightsia as to who controls the papacy. I'd be happy to see CE regaining at least Italy, and I would support that IC, because South Africa has always been complaining of secular Norightsian occupation of the papal lands.

As to the rest of the vast CE lands, I wouldn't mind RD taking over Anatolia, Thrace, and Greece, (and even the Syrian part of Egyria), so that the Orthodoxy can be headquartered at Constintinople and all the old Greek lands reconstituted. But don't take my words too seriously and I hope there will not be any sort of dispute rising over these issues.

Yeah I hope so too, I really think we can find a sensible way to sort it all out without everyone just arguing.
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Perhaps CE should get everything back except Eastern Turkey, and everything west of Greece, so that Italy can be in play, and The Amish can get their port!! Remember, I lost half my country when I left, to Scythirus, so there hould be some cost in land, but not extreme, and it will give him the hinge position back between Europe and the Middle East.
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This is what I had planned. Tell me what you all think.

Basically, I was going to have, in Italy and in Genesis City, a rebellion against secular Norightsian rule. I was going to RP that the Catholic European populations, in these two areas alone, become increasingly unhappy with the way Norightsia is ruling them.

I was then maybe going to have one or two old Catholic European Cardinals lead the resistance against Norightsian rule and hav them denounce Pope John XXV. Either Pope John XXV could continue to rule or he could die maybe as a result of terrorist actions.

I then planned to have a kind of ceasefire agreed and a gradual withdrawal of Norightsian troops from Italy and the area surrounding Genesis City. As for the next Pope, I planned to have (if New Harumf agrees) the New Harumfian Royal Family immediately come to my aid against Norightsia (maybe with South African help) and thus have Cardinal Prince Domingo (or is it Donaldo) coronated as Pope and the new ruler of the new Catholic Europe. This would also usher the return of the Royal Papacy because Domingo is a dos Santos-Aveiro Medici (it is also something that I have dearly missed).

As for the war. I will not participate at all, even on the side of the Catholics, well at least not to begin with. The only effort that I will give is through terrorist actions. I will remain very docile militarily for a while (perhaps until Easter or March). I will, with the return of the Papacy, be very vocal but just not back that up with might as I once was able to.

I also plan a more isolationist course for the new CE, seeing as many could see their Catholic allies as having abandoned them and, instead of supporting the old CE state, Catholic Europeans could see it as them having been spoils for the other Catholic nations to steal.

I also think that a smaller Catholic Europe could provide interesting future RP's, maybe Anschluss style RP's where they believe all the former Catholic European lands should be re-united.
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Jan 16 2006, 03:18 PM
This is what I had planned. Tell me what you all think.

Basically, I was going to have, in Italy and in Genesis City, a rebellion against secular Norightsian rule. I was going to RP that the Catholic European populations, in these two areas alone, become increasingly unhappy with the way Norightsia is ruling them.

I was then maybe going to have one or two old Catholic European Cardinals lead the resistance against Norightsian rule and hav them denounce Pope John XXV. Either Pope John XXV could continue to rule or he could die maybe as a result of terrorist actions.

I then planned to have a kind of ceasefire agreed and a gradual withdrawal of Norightsian troops from Italy and the area surrounding Genesis City. As for the next Pope, I planned to have (if New Harumf agrees) the New Harumfian Royal Family immediately come to my aid against Norightsia (maybe with South African help) and thus have Cardinal Prince Domingo (or is it Donaldo) coronated as Pope and the new ruler of the new Catholic Europe. This would also usher the return of the Royal Papacy because Domingo is a dos Santos-Aveiro Medici (it is also something that I have dearly missed).

As for the war. I will not participate at all, even on the side of the Catholics, well at least not to begin with. The only effort that I will give is through terrorist actions. I will remain very docile militarily for a while (perhaps until Easter or March). I will, with the return of the Papacy, be very vocal but just not back that up with might as I once was able to.

I also plan a more isolationist course for the new CE, seeing as many could see their Catholic allies as having abandoned them and, instead of supporting the old CE state, Catholic Europeans could see it as them having been spoils for the other Catholic nations to steal.

I also think that a smaller Catholic Europe could provide interesting future RP's, maybe Anschluss style RP's where they believe all the former Catholic European lands should be re-united.

All this takes is the agreement of Norightsia, and a busy map-maker!
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I think CE sould get Italy back and a little land around greece...It should take CE month before he can return to normal, As for the Idea of isolation, go with it, you can easly make it just. As for all Catholic nations, the Power of Catholisim should decrease and Nationlism should take the place in a few Catholic Nations.
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Definately more than a month.

Pah, you young whipper snappers don't have any idea how long it takes to build up a power base!

Now two months is more like it. But I'd say 3 months.
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So you aren't gone anymore? Cool!
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Jan 16 2006, 03:18 PM
This is what I had planned. Tell me what you all think.

Basically, I was going to have, in Italy and in Genesis City, a rebellion against secular Norightsian rule. I was going to RP that the Catholic European populations, in these two areas alone, become increasingly unhappy with the way Norightsia is ruling them.

I was then maybe going to have one or two old Catholic European Cardinals lead the resistance against Norightsian rule and hav them denounce Pope John XXV. Either Pope John XXV could continue to rule or he could die maybe as a result of terrorist actions.

I then planned to have a kind of ceasefire agreed and a gradual withdrawal of Norightsian troops from Italy and the area surrounding Genesis City. As for the next Pope, I planned to have (if New Harumf agrees) the New Harumfian Royal Family immediately come to my aid against Norightsia (maybe with South African help) and thus have Cardinal Prince Domingo (or is it Donaldo) coronated as Pope and the new ruler of the new Catholic Europe. This would also usher the return of the Royal Papacy because Domingo is a dos Santos-Aveiro Medici (it is also something that I have dearly missed).

As for the war. I will not participate at all, even on the side of the Catholics, well at least not to begin with. The only effort that I will give is through terrorist actions. I will remain very docile militarily for a while (perhaps until Easter or March). I will, with the return of the Papacy, be very vocal but just not back that up with might as I once was able to.

I also plan a more isolationist course for the new CE, seeing as many could see their Catholic allies as having abandoned them and, instead of supporting the old CE state, Catholic Europeans could see it as them having been spoils for the other Catholic nations to steal.

I also think that a smaller Catholic Europe could provide interesting future RP's, maybe Anschluss style RP's where they believe all the former Catholic European lands should be re-united.

Sounds good.
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Jan 16 2006, 03:39 PM
Definately more than a month.

Pah, you young whipper snappers don't have any idea how long it takes to build up a power base!

Now two months is more like it. But I'd say 3 months.

Well, I said Easter and Easter is 3 months away. And plus, I could bribe some financial support and military support from Norightsia in the ceasefire for the new CE. It would be very feasible considering that I could make things very difficult for Norightisa, especially as a rebellion on their hands in Italy during a World War would make things very difficult for them.

OOC, I am willing to give everything up except for the Papacy. I must have that back. I see it as mine and I only gave it to Norightsia whilst I left.
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Here's my two cents

1. I want CE to have all his land back including Italy and Turkey. The sooner the better. This was all a mistake and I don't want anyone to be punished with loss of land. Maybe if we all play our cards right Egyria will see the light too.

2. CE can have the Papacy, but I dare say I hardly "moderated" or "secularized" it.
However, I really liked the RP with it that Wadj Harumf and I made, and I ask that CE honor it, if just as a tribute to us for saving your spot while you were gone.

3. I refuse to fight CE in any way shape or form. I don't want there to be a rebellion. How about after Domingo becomes Pope he asks the Norightsians to leave. They would!

I am still sore that you left and blocked my telegrams, CE, but I want things back to normal ASAP. No loss of land, no rebellion. And stop calling me bedamnedly secular! However, I forgive you, and ask forgiveness if you disapprove of my Pope-ing.
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Jan 16 2006, 04:17 PM
Here's my two cents

1. I want CE to have all his land back including Italy and Turkey. The sooner the better. This was all a mistake and I don't want anyone to be punished with loss of land. Maybe if we all play our cards right Egyria will see the light too.

2. CE can have the Papacy, but I dare say I hardly "moderated" or "secularized" it.
However, I really liked the RP with it that Wadj Harumf and I made, and I ask that CE honor it, if just as a tribute to us for saving your spot while you were gone.

3. I refuse to fight CE in any way shape or form. I don't want there to be a rebellion. How about after Domingo becomes Pope he asks the Norightsians to leave. They would!

I am still sore that you left and blocked my telegrams, CE, but I want things back to normal ASAP. No loss of land, no rebellion. And stop calling me bedamnedly secular! However, I forgive you, and ask forgiveness if you disapprove of my Pope-ing.

I didn't mean to block your telegrams. I immediately unblocked you after I realised. For that I am sorry. I thought the rebellion would b a good RP, no bad feelings afterwards. And it's not that I disapproved of your Pope-ing, just that it was more moderate than what I had done (you have to admit that).
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Jan 16 2006, 04:30 PM
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Jan 16 2006, 04:17 PM
Here's my two cents

1. I want CE to have all his land back including Italy and Turkey. The sooner the better. This was all a mistake and I don't want anyone to be punished with loss of land. Maybe if we all play our cards right Egyria will see the light too.

2. CE can have the Papacy, but I dare say I hardly "moderated" or "secularized" it.
However, I really liked the RP with it that Wadj Harumf and I made, and I ask that CE honor it, if just as a tribute to us for saving your spot while you were gone.

3. I refuse to fight CE in any way shape or form. I don't want there to be a rebellion. How about after Domingo becomes Pope he asks the Norightsians to leave. They would!

I am still sore that you left and blocked my telegrams, CE, but I want things back to normal ASAP. No loss of land, no rebellion. And stop calling me bedamnedly secular! However, I forgive you, and ask forgiveness if you disapprove of my Pope-ing.

I didn't mean to block your telegrams. I immediately unblocked you after I realised. For that I am sorry. I thought the rebellion would b a good RP, no bad feelings afterwards. And it's not that I disapproved of your Pope-ing, just that it was more moderate than what I had done (you have to admit that).

Yeah but without you, and with a mounting anti-Catholic crusade, I had to do something. And sorry for the misunderstanding about the PMs.

I still say you get all your land back!
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Whatever is necessary. I have nothing against him having his lands back, albeit some might...we look forward in great anticipation for Catholic Europe's return. You and Norightsia could call it the Restoration, or something. I dunno, you 2 work it out, there is major war in the name of Christendom that is about to unfold. I hope you didn't block my PM's... :(
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Jan 16 2006, 04:43 PM
Whatever is necessary. I have nothing against him having his lands back, albeit some might...we look forward in great anticipation for Catholic Europe's return. You and Norightsia could call it the Restoration, or something. I dunno, you 2 work it out, there is major war in the name of Christendom that is about to unfold. I hope you didn't block my PM's... :(

I will personally conquer back those lands if I must.
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Jan 16 2006, 06:11 AM
Well it has been 3 weeks or so since I 'left'. This place has proved to hard to leave as now that certain characters have left I think I would find this place more enjoyable - much how it used to be.

I am wanting to return but I need you opinions on some issues:

1) I still wish to be a hinge between the Middle East and Europe. What are your thoughts on where I should be placed on the map?

2) What are your thoughts on how much land I should have?

3) What are your thoughts on how strong I should return?

4) How can I feature in the current RP (I was thinking of maybe having the population rebel against Norightsian authority, especially considering that they have somewhat moderated the Papacy and that is something a formerly very devout and extreme Catholic population would not like).

Welcome back CE, I knew you'd come back some day :P
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