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The World War; Attempt the Second
Topic Started: Jan 15 2006, 10:15 PM (551 Views)
Noriega
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Asherton
Feb 1 2006, 10:57 PM
I guess we shouldn't confuse the issue with factual information now.

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If I called upon my neighbour, a leading global terrorist, to back me up when the police came calling, then how would that look?


What police? The UN? I'm sorry, but the UN is not the police, especially when the person running it regionally has an agenda outside that of all of the members. We haven't heard all of them yet, nor the rest of the UN members around the world, now have we?

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And if your neighbour, the friend who's been sheltering me, came knocking on your door, pounding to get in, what would your reaction be?


Whoa whoa whoa, the UNF sheltered the Sistani, not the Western Alliance. Also, the better analogy would be if your neighbor's beaten wife is knocking on the door begging to come in, she has a knife to protect herself and her husband is coming and probably coming to kill her or drag her back to the house for some more backhanding, and you have a rifle, what do you do?

You shot through the door, which IRL would get you a manslaughter charge at the very least (and a hefty lawsuit if you're in Michigan).

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When the (international) community finds out and the police come knocking, he holds up his hands and says "yes I shot him, I admit it and I'm guilty".

He doesn't hide and gloat, like the the one who killed his family. He doesn't hold himself above the law. He admits what he did was wrong, and makes an effort to put things right.


Yeah, arresting those responsible, which is half the "making an effort to put things right." Even the United States (even without admitting guilt) paid money to the Iranians for the Vincennes incident.

Also, if those folks admitted guilt, why is there a trial? The prosecutor should lay down the admission and convict them, but suddenly an admission of guilt has no bearing and the admitters go free.

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Is the UN side "right"?


I still don't see the rest of the UN signing up for this little romp of yours. Nice try.

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The other kills because they can. Because they are on edge, and feel they need to. Because they see a threat, a cancer that a blind eye cannot be turned to.


Yeah, those CNNP troopers sure don't have a lot of discipline. I bet I can fire starshells into the air and get them to run.

Also, I cannot turn my eye from a country that I view as a threat. The CNNP gassed what were effectively Ashertonian civilians, seeing as the civilians never fought each other, only between factional militias was there violence.

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Parallels can be drawn to the US fighting Iraq, only this time we have real terrorists and real WMD.


Yeah, the terrorists with the WMD are the ones pointing fingers. Charity and blame needs to start and home, fellas.

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Both sides are evil (one thinks killing is right, the other thinks it's "justified").


One side says its justified, when they're the ones that are wrong. Sistan noted that it was an accident, the CNNP admitted that it was intentional. Big difference.

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The UN side is just slightly less evil (and much more profitable).


Yes, because oil for blood is so fashionable. Also, I still don't see the rest of the UN following suit.

In final words about the "UN side", the US, Britain, Poland, and a lot of IRL UN members went after Iraq, I sure didn't see them claiming to be the UN.

OOC: You really think you're witty don't you? Such a shame you misinterpreted half of the analogy. Why don't you just admit that the whole "they were peaceful" deal came about after they were all dead. Read your own posts.
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Cant we all just get along? :blink:
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Evidently not... which is a shame.

One point I will address is the "UN".
The CNNP, a UN nation, appealled to the UN for aid. Some non military aid was granted, military aid promised by several UN nations, should Sistan be proved guilty.

This was done.

UN nations where given a chance to discuss what action should be taken against Sistan.

No-one was intrested. Those who agreed with war had their say, and with no opposition, war declared.

Now you said I was following my own agenda. This is true. Take a look at the IC threads, I was setting the UN up against Sistan IC before he dediced to act like an ass and get me pissed off with him OOC. Until then OOC, I thought he was an alright guy and was preparing to help him get out of this situtation.

This is not a personal vendetta. This is good role playing. A story line was started, it has to be finished.

Now am I biased against Sistan? Hell yes.
Will I take great pleasure in slowly but surely grinding him into the dust? Of course.

But this would have happened one way or the other.

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From the UN thread:

Deniz85
 
We strongly condemn as ever the cowardly terrorist attacks in the CNNNP and we are in full solidarity with the CNNP leadership. We apologize for the short delay in our response but intensive discussions were being conducted in the Security Council as we speak.
The UN is ready to give logistical help in the form of peacekeepers to CNNP: 50,000 UN peacekeepers will go to CNNP in order to bring back peace and stability very rapidly.


Norightsia
 
I am sorry for my belatedness in replying to these attacks, I have been in mourning for the Papal Empire. However, I must condemn the Sistani terrorist attacks on the CNNP. Truly, as the Sistanis are too cowardly to fight a conventional war, they murder innocent civilians in order to force a government out of war. They are like the heresy that is and was the US, and thus must be stopped before their evil influence can spread. All trade with Sistan is cut off for the time being, and Norightsian forces in New Medea will be on high-alert in order to help the CNNP should it fall under attack again.

--Emperor Galerius I Quintilianus


From Actions to be taken regarding Sistan:

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As well we all know, the CNNP has made some shocking accusations against the CNNP amounting to, at best, gross moral negligence and, at worst, planned terrorism.

As of yet the Sistani government has refused to let an external UN party investigate these claims, and have offered no reparations to the CNNP.

A statement by the Sistani government, however, confirms that Sistani aircraft where indeed reesponsible for the bombing.

As such it falls to the UN to decide how to react to this event as a democracy.

Thus facts must be established and a course of action decided apon.


Let it not be said that UN members didn't get a chance to have their say.

Syawla
 
Our government is of course shocked at the crimes in the CNNP and is eager to see that country rebuilt from the tragedy that has befallen it. In that effort, we are willing to donate all the aid that we. However, our government is increasingly concerned at the belligerence of rhetoric coming from the CNNP. While this is to some extent understandable, the lesson from this tragedy must be, above all else, the evils possible from military technology. While the Sistani government has as yet not provided an explanation in to what happened, it has denied any deliberate involvement in the act. As such, due to the principle of innocent until proven, our government cannot condone, at this time, sanctions against the Sistani government.


A post implying action should be taken if guilt can be proved. With Sistan inhibiting UN investigation, and CNNP logistics supporting their claims it's fairly easy to prove Sistani involvement beyond reasonable doubt.

After all due investigation:

Deniz85
 
Our Government concurs with Nag Ehgoeg and gives its full support to the UN investigation's content.

Erman Oymen, Foreign Minister of Great Denizistan


So I'm expecting some troops from Africa.

Syawla
 
Our government accepts the findings of the United Nations and hereby demands that the Sistani government submit to the will of the United Nations.


What's this? The nation saying that Sistan was innocent until proven guilty accepting Sistans guilt and pledging support to the international law? Do my eyes decieve me, or is it true that after UN debate and rhetoric UN nations where all given a say and came down on the side of the CNNP against Sistan?

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The New Harumfian government agrees with the findings of the UN and demands Sistan immediately cooperate.

The Amish Children wish to never see the soverign rights of any nation usurped, however, in the case of Sistan we strongly suggest their cooperation in a limited and narrowly defined UN mission.


I believe the international community did come down against Sistan.

From the Middle East Attacks in Asseb:

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South Africa stands by its ally CNNP. The Cardinal-Emperor has approved $520 million in direct military aid to CNNP, and additionally has moved 7,000 infantrymen to a base in the Ethiopian highlands in light of these new tensions in the Horn of Africa. Further military collaboration between South Africa and CNNP are planned. South Africa hopes that this conflict will be resolved peacefully, and that Sistan will fulfill CNNP's demands, but we stand ready to defend the honor of Catholicism in this part of the world by any means necessary.

-The Imperial Court


This coming before the international comminty decides to wage war.

Filo
 
We are a little and not much rich nation; but we send our medics and personel to aid the people of CNNP hit by the attack.

Tartan of Assirya Sargon Alhullama


Ok there is a difference between aid and military aid, but still.

Menhad
 
"Menhad stands besides The CNNP, the Sistani government will give $70 million to the CNNP, and the Sistani government will also forfill the CNNP demands. Other wise force will be used. Menhad sends $500 million to the CNNP."


What's this? More nations pledging to fight Sistan?

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"No Sistani official will meet with the CNNP as long as the CNNP continues to demand extradition of Sistani citizens, regardless of reason. In addition, Menhad is invited to come to Sistan, where it will be free to sample Sistani munitions of all types, ranging from 7.62mm to 304.8mm."


Sistan in a typical post, rejecting international law and threating peace keeping nations.

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I'm sorry Asherton. OOC, I have nothing against you. IC You're a hated ally of a known and internationally despised terrorist.

But thank you for saying that a lot more people should be involved in this war. I'll get right on recruiting them.
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