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The World War; Attempt the Second
Topic Started: Jan 15 2006, 10:15 PM (550 Views)
Wadj
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So, we finally have somewhat of a world war going on here. However, we need to get a few things straight. Like who's on what side.

This is how we stand as of now:

Catholics n' Friends:

--Saxe-Coburg
--Burgundy (only because we're both fighting Morracon. Cardinal von Berens doesn't particularly like Burgundy otherwise.)
--South Africa
--Norightsia
--Assassination Army
--New Harumf
--NeoMacedonia


Enemies of the One True Apostolic Super Happy Fun Time Roman Catholic Church of Wonders:

--NeoRome
--The Dominion
--Quaon (secretly)
--Denizistan
--Morracon
--Free Britain
--Pascoag
--Gallia (Allying their Eastern Decadence and Sinful Oriental Wickedness Against the True Church!)


Now, are there any that I've forgotten?
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NRE
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:rolleyes: Well you can put Neo-Macedonia in with the rest of the Catholics, though I've been lazy and haven't posted anything yet. I mean we are a Catholic nations and we will support Saxe-Coburg. I may try to sneak in a post about them joining up with the SA and NH fleets on their way to the straights. If not, I'll think of something else.

Also I of course want the order to have something to do with this, but as of late I have come up with little to nothing so any help with that would be nice. ;)
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Assassin
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Looks good to me. I have yet to really do anything in support of the catholics since im currently fighting off the Eastern Empire. But, I'll be over there to join in soon enough.
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The CNNP
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You can put us down as financiers of Catholic nations. Another major conflict is about to draw our immeadiate attention.
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Syawla
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Hungary is as yet undeclared.
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New Harumf
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I think there are some Lutherans up north you've forgotten, but I can't oficially speak for them.

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Syawla
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New Harumf
Jan 16 2006, 09:43 AM
I think there are some Lutherans up north you've forgotten, but I can't oficially speak for them.

Of course. Hungary is very divided on this front with a Catholic majority of only some 51%. Hence the reason for neutrality, even if our government courts the Catholics (hence the Governor being in Genesis City) just to prevent invasion.
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Negative Matter
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Mwanza Jamhuri will probably side with the Catholics on this one.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Yeah, and Nag has it's own war-turned-personal-vendetta.

Maybe it could link in, but I don't expect this to last long.
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NRE
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I've been meaning to PM you to see if there was any way Persia (my ME nation) could get a little nagian land to connect them with the rest of the middle east. However, I doubt it's possible given your size and military might compared to my size and non-existant (at this point) military might.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Unlike CE, I'm not a land whore.

And there are ways to get land without military might, ever hear of the Louisiana purchase?

How much land we talking here?
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Rhadamanthus
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You should probably throw Gallia in with her Poitiers Pact allies.

And of course, Gallia has other allies who could be draw in...
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Noriega
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Jan 16 2006, 03:47 PM
You should probably throw Gallia in with her Poitiers Pact allies.

And of course, Gallia has other allies who could be draw in...

Could I bribe her out of that?
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Rhadamanthus
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Jan 16 2006, 03:48 PM
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Jan 16 2006, 03:47 PM
You should probably throw Gallia in with her Poitiers Pact allies.

And of course, Gallia has other allies who could be draw in...

Could I bribe her out of that?

Unlikely, though as a rule I don't say no flat-out. But relations with Morracon have always been strong, and relations with newer members like Free Britain and Pascoag are good and growing. Norightsia would have to bring something serious to the table to convince Gallia to turn her back on them.
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Elyk
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Elyk the Small would for sure side with the Catholics in the event of a world war.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Middle Easten Front

"Anti-" Terrorists

-Nag Ehgoeg
-CNNP
-Baltuvia
-UN nations of Africa and the Middle East (in theory)

Terrorists

-Sistan
-Asherton
-Scythirus
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jan 29 2006, 03:19 PM
Middle Easten Front

"Anti-" Terrorists

-Nag Ehgoeg
-CNNP
-Baltuvia
-UN nations of Africa and the Middle East (in theory)

Terrorists

-Sistan
-Asherton
-Scythirus

And Norightsia for Anti.
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Al Araam
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jan 29 2006, 01:19 PM
Middle Easten Front

"Anti-" Terrorists

-Nag Ehgoeg
-CNNP
-Baltuvia
-UN nations of Africa and the Middle East (in theory)

Terrorists

-Sistan
-Asherton
-Scythirus

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They're all looking suspiciously like terrorist. One side "accidentally" napalms a civilian area. The other intentionally gasses foreign civilians on foreign soil. Neither side is really innocent. This entire chain of events will end in nobody ending up smelling like a rose, win or lose.
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Like the cold war, both the soviet union and america suck and are terrorists. But propaganda in both countries convinced them otherwise and that they were doing the right thing. America-Setting up puppet governments. USSR-Publically taking over.
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The Trilateral Commission is out to make a buck.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Al Araam
Jan 29 2006, 07:56 PM
Nag Ehgoeg
Jan 29 2006, 01:19 PM
Middle Easten Front

"Anti-" Terrorists

-Nag Ehgoeg
-CNNP
-Baltuvia
-UN nations of Africa and the Middle East (in theory)

Terrorists

-Sistan
-Asherton
-Scythirus

OOC:
They're all looking suspiciously like terrorist. One side "accidentally" napalms a civilian area. The other intentionally gasses foreign civilians on foreign soil. Neither side is really innocent. This entire chain of events will end in nobody ending up smelling like a rose, win or lose.

Uh there's a reason Anti is in quotation marks.

The CNNP hasn't exactly conducted itself with all due and proper accord, but then if someone came to your house and killed you family, admitted they did it but refused to recognise the law how would you feel?

If I then hid out at a friend's house, who happens to be your neighbour what would you think?

If I called upon my neighbour, a leading global terrorist, to back me up when the police came calling, then how would that look?

And if your neighbour, the friend who's been sheltering me, came knocking on your door, pounding to get in, what would your reaction be?

If he fired a gun outside your house?
If he had a bulldozer?
If he had a rocket launcher?
If reinforcements where on the way?

You're at home. You know you're not safe here. There is a thread outside, and your sitting here with your rifle.

Would you defend yourself?

The CNNP asked themselves that question, and decided they would.

When the (international) community finds out and the police come knocking, he holds up his hands and says "yes I shot him, I admit it and I'm guilty".

He doesn't hide and gloat, like the the one who killed his family. He doesn't hold himself above the law. He admits what he did was wrong, and makes an effort to put things right.

And that's the difference between the two sides.

One kills for sport, for the grand game of being an international Pariah knowing that they are more or less untouchable.

The other kills because they can. Because they are on edge, and feel they need to. Because they see a threat, a cancer that a blind eye cannot be turned to.

Is the UN side "right"?

No. We are fighting to subdue a nation that does not recognise international law - which is a fancy way of saying a nation that doesn't conform to UN ideals.

We're fighting to protect one of our members and to show terrorism does not go unnoticed.

Parallels can be drawn to the US fighting Iraq, only this time we have real terrorists and real WMD.

Both sides are evil (one thinks killing is right, the other thinks it's "justified").

The UN side is just slightly less evil (and much more profitable).
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Baltuvia
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They're all looking suspiciously like terrorist


Thanks for calling us terrorists, Al Araam. No offense, but we bombed no one.

I totally agree to Nag. Killing itself is not right and a UN endorsement does not legalize it morally, but unfortunately sometimes greater killing needs to be stopped by force.
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Noriega
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In this RP almost everyone is evil. Norightsia is (or used to be) known as the Saviour of Asia, as we practically single-handedly saved Asia in tow major wars. We are also a member of a fanatic league of Christians dedicate to abolishing evil. Above reproach, right?

Wrong. Norightsia just happens to be a corporate dictatorship that uses its citizens for profit, brainwashes them, and blackmails its enemies with nuclear threats. Everybody's evil. But Sistan started it.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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It was one of the early ones. The one where you asked us why your flag wasn't working :P

I used the drop down menu on a school librury computer to pull the history page and got the pin that way.
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I guess we shouldn't confuse the issue with factual information now.

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If I called upon my neighbour, a leading global terrorist, to back me up when the police came calling, then how would that look?


What police? The UN? I'm sorry, but the UN is not the police, especially when the person running it regionally has an agenda outside that of all of the members. We haven't heard all of them yet, nor the rest of the UN members around the world, now have we?

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And if your neighbour, the friend who's been sheltering me, came knocking on your door, pounding to get in, what would your reaction be?


Whoa whoa whoa, the UNF sheltered the Sistani, not the Western Alliance. Also, the better analogy would be if your neighbor's beaten wife is knocking on the door begging to come in, she has a knife to protect herself and her husband is coming and probably coming to kill her or drag her back to the house for some more backhanding, and you have a rifle, what do you do?

You shot through the door, which IRL would get you a manslaughter charge at the very least (and a hefty lawsuit if you're in Michigan).

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When the (international) community finds out and the police come knocking, he holds up his hands and says "yes I shot him, I admit it and I'm guilty".

He doesn't hide and gloat, like the the one who killed his family. He doesn't hold himself above the law. He admits what he did was wrong, and makes an effort to put things right.


Yeah, arresting those responsible, which is half the "making an effort to put things right." Even the United States (even without admitting guilt) paid money to the Iranians for the Vincennes incident.

Also, if those folks admitted guilt, why is there a trial? The prosecutor should lay down the admission and convict them, but suddenly an admission of guilt has no bearing and the admitters go free.

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Is the UN side "right"?


I still don't see the rest of the UN signing up for this little romp of yours. Nice try.

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The other kills because they can. Because they are on edge, and feel they need to. Because they see a threat, a cancer that a blind eye cannot be turned to.


Yeah, those CNNP troopers sure don't have a lot of discipline. I bet I can fire starshells into the air and get them to run.

Also, I cannot turn my eye from a country that I view as a threat. The CNNP gassed what were effectively Ashertonian civilians, seeing as the civilians never fought each other, only between factional militias was there violence.

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Parallels can be drawn to the US fighting Iraq, only this time we have real terrorists and real WMD.


Yeah, the terrorists with the WMD are the ones pointing fingers. Charity and blame needs to start and home, fellas.

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Both sides are evil (one thinks killing is right, the other thinks it's "justified").


One side says its justified, when they're the ones that are wrong. Sistan noted that it was an accident, the CNNP admitted that it was intentional. Big difference.

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The UN side is just slightly less evil (and much more profitable).


Yes, because oil for blood is so fashionable. Also, I still don't see the rest of the UN following suit.

In final words about the "UN side", the US, Britain, Poland, and a lot of IRL UN members went after Iraq, I sure didn't see them claiming to be the UN.
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