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The Second War of Succession
Topic Started: Sep 28 2005, 10:32 PM (405 Views)
Paradise
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What are the alliances? What's going on?

Oh I know, I'm lazy to read all those 250 messages :P
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Comrade Queen
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Scythirus under Emperor-Priest Jorzo Mafil stands alone.

Wadj-Patrua-Prince Hirak-Al Voramix-Menhad-Al Araam-Egyria stand united, mostly.

At the moment, Prince Hirak-Al Voramix is trying to claim his right to the throne from usurping slimeball Jorzo Mafil.
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There are also Resplendent Dawn troops assigned to Wadji command. I don't know what they've been doing lately. But they were there, and I was never informed that they were returned to my command, so I assume Wadj still has them.
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Al Araam
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Araamenian Special Forces Troops were used in the early part of the war but that was in Wadj and the missions were covert. Al Araam is no longer actively participating in this war.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Nag Ehgoeg is providing a running polictical commentary. The more international conflict the better our plan will go.
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Sep 28 2005, 11:22 PM
Scythirus under Emperor-Priest Jorzo Mafil stands alone.

Wadj-Patrua-Prince Hirak-Al Voramix-Menhad-Al Araam-Egyria stand united, mostly.

At the moment, Prince Hirak-Al Voramix is trying to claim his right to the throne from usurping slimeball Jorzo Mafil.

Is the coalition supporting Hirak-Al Voramix or Jorzo Mafil?
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Catholic Europe
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Catholic Europe is watching very closely although they are barred from participating on either side.

The Pope is also trying to use this war as an opportunity to press for a relaxtion of the restrictions on Catholic Europe as a result of the War of Succession.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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The coalition is supporting Hirak-Al Voramix.
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Paradise
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Maybe Scythirus could explain me what are the ideological differences between the two protagonists? How did the war start? Was there extra-national interference during the war?
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Sep 28 2005, 11:27 PM
There are also Resplendent Dawn troops assigned to Wadji command. I don't know what they've been doing lately. But they were there, and I was never informed that they were returned to my command, so I assume Wadj still has them.

They are being used to guard the Wadji border. They will not come into action unless Scythirus invades Wadj again.
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Paradise
Sep 29 2005, 12:28 PM
Maybe Scythirus could explain me what are the ideological differences between the two protagonists? How did the war start? Was there extra-national interference during the war?

Although quite similar in certain characteristics, in others Hirak-Al Voramix and Jorzo Mafil are radically different.

- Hirak-Al Voramix realizes the folly of his father's ways, after the numerous international threats and the use of two nuclear bombs. He seeks to improve Scythirus' image by increasing diplomacy and turning in the criminal Crown Prince Abdul to Wadj for execution. Pretty much an evil guy giving the facade of having a good exterior.

- Jorzo Mafil is a manipulative religious leader. As the High Priest of Scythirus' faith and now current occupant of the Throne of Jihamed, he desires to place Crown Prince Abdul on the Wadji throne to establish a puppet government. He also plans to improve Scythirus' international situation, but it's no secret that he has imperialistic designs on everything. It's rumored that he's over 160 years old, but no one has been able to varify this.
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I think I'll make Paradise support the religious leader unofficially. I could send him a lot of weapons and some military vehicles (armors, mechanized infantry,...).

What do you think Scythirus?
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Oct 1 2005, 01:46 PM
I think I'll make Paradise support the religious leader unofficially. I could send him a lot of weapons and some military vehicles (armors, mechanized infantry,...).

What do you think Scythirus?

OOC: Why would Paradise support the religious leader?

I think that it would be very interesting if you did support the religious leader, actually, because that would, essentially, pit you against Patrua. That would be most interesting indeed because Patrua could not beat Paradise let alone Paradise and Scythirus - two very highly militant countries.

I think that if you did that it would also have repercussions for other areas and other nations. The Papacy, getting more and more frustrated at Patruas refusals to amend the treaty, may well break it and go into an alliance with Paradise and Scythirus (if they would allow it of course).

This in turn would cause Prussia to invade Saxe-Coburg (seeing as it would give them an excuse to do what they have been itching to do) and all hell will break loose.

Personally, I would not invisage a Patruan win. They would suffer their first defeat in a war.
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Catholic Europe @ Oct 1 2005
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Paradise @ Oct 1 2005
01:46 PM

I think I'll make Paradise support the religious leader unofficially. I could send him a lot of weapons and some military vehicles (armors, mechanized infantry,...).

What do you think Scythirus?


OOC: Why would Paradise support the religious leader?

I think that it would be very interesting if you did support the religious leader, actually, because that would, essentially, pit you against Patrua. That would be most interesting indeed because Patrua could not beat Paradise let alone Paradise and Scythirus - two very highly militant countries.

I think that if you did that it would also have repercussions for other areas and other nations. The Papacy, getting more and more frustrated at Patruas refusals to amend the treaty, may well break it and go into an alliance with Paradise and Scythirus (if they would allow it of course).

This in turn would cause Prussia to invade Saxe-Coburg (seeing as it would give them an excuse to do what they have been itching to do) and all hell will break loose.

Personally, I would not invisage a Patruan win. They would suffer their first defeat in a war.


OOC: Actually EGYRIA would react first.

I'm going to "cancel" the elections soon - it was meant to be something that everyone got involved in, but that didn't happen - and have one of the candidates resign.

Note that it isn't an attempt to get Egyria able to potentially move against CE - because there's a lot of work that needs to be done in Egyria. Everything - including the military's hardware - was devastated by the Civil War.

The only thing that Egyria MIGHT do is allow the many Egyrians clamoring to volunteer for Patrua's Foreign legion to actually do so (so far they've been barred because it would be a policy decision).

The effect would, however, be negligible.

While Egyria's missile systems and The Grand Fleet are for the most part unscathed, they would likely not be used until the army was rebuilt - the risk being too great.


As for Europe, I'm currently talking to Poland and Wadj about it - well, just Wadj actually, as Poland hasn't replied to my messages - and we're still figuring out what, if anything, we want to do.

*EDIT: I'm terribly sorry, I edited this post instead of quoting it but I think I got it put back together correctly. -Al Araam*
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Well, I knew one of your nations would go up against me.

So sue me if I said the wrong one.
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Oct 1 2005, 01:59 PM
OOC: Why would Paradise support the religious leader?

The religious leader is politically closer to Paradise. Scythirus would then be a natural ally.

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I think that it would be very interesting if you did support the religious leader, actually, because that would, essentially, pit you against Patrua. That would be most interesting indeed because Patrua could not beat Paradise let alone Paradise and Scythirus - two very highly militant countries.

In fact, I don't intend to wage a war. I would only send, secretly, weapons and military vehicles to Jorzo Mafil.
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Hmm this widening conflict sounds more and more intriguing. The Trilateral Commission may get involved. On one hand we could support Patrua because the thought of defying Paradise would stroke many egos in our government. But that gamble could backfire terribly if Paradise decides to actually enter the war with its army and smash everything into tiny particles. On the other hand we could support Scythirus since with Paradise on our side that would be lower risk and more profittable, and the Trilateral Commission's leaders are above all else cowardly and self-preserving; fearing and respecting strength while bullying the weak. Besides, there are cordial relations between TC and Scythirus since the "Secret Summit."
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Oct 1 2005, 12:08 PM
OOC: Actually EGYRIA would react first.

I'm going to "cancel" the elections soon - it was meant to be something that everyone got involved in, but that didn't happen - and have one of the candidates resign.

Note that it isn't an attempt to get Egyria able to potentially move against CE - because there's a lot of work that needs to be done in Egyria.  Everything - including the military's hardware - was devastated by the Civil War.

The only thing that Egyria MIGHT do is allow the many Egyrians clamoring to volunteer for Patrua's Foreign legion to actually do so (so far they've been barred because it would be a policy decision).

The effect would, however, be negligible.

While Egyria's missile systems and The Grand Fleet are for the most part unscathed, they would likely not be used until the army was rebuilt - the risk being too great.


As for Europe, I'm currently talking to Poland and Wadj about it - well, just Wadj actually, as Poland hasn't replied to my messages - and we're still figuring out what, if anything, we want to do.

*EDIT: I'm terribly sorry, I edited this post instead of quoting it but I think I got it put back together correctly. -Al Araam*

The situation is made more intriguing by the European Peace Council. Prussia, SC and Poland are all members of the EPC and as such the EPC will come to the aid of whoever is attacked. If Prussia attacks SC & Poland then the 7 remaining members of the EPC are compelled to defend SC & Poland against Prussian forces. Egyria, I would appreciate if you would keep me and the other memberrs of the EPC updated about the plans for the war and make sure the EPC is factored into them.
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I always envisioned the beginning of the war being blamed on Saxe-Coburg, and the EPC coming to the aid of Prussia. I don't know why, that is what I thought would logically happen in Europe. The EPC X&C would be Prussia's way of "burning down the Reichstag" like Hitler did and blaiming it on S-C, thereby gaining the support of the EPC. Oh, and just a side note: I don't think that Prussia is evil like the Nazis, it just seemed like an apt comparison.
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Oct 1 2005, 03:43 PM
I always envisioned the beginning of the war being blamed on Saxe-Coburg, and the EPC coming to the aid of Prussia. I don't know why, that is what I thought would logically happen in Europe. The EPC X&C would be Prussia's way of "burning down the Reichstag" like Hitler did and blaiming it on S-C, thereby gaining the support of the EPC. Oh, and just a side note: I don't think that Prussia is evil like the Nazis, it just seemed like an apt comparison.

I think the reason why they would come to the aid of Prussia is - me!

And, I'm not being big headed or anything but because Saxe-Coburg is allied with Catholic Europe that means naturally the others will go against Saxe-Coburg.

However, I don't think that the 'German' issue is the only lighter, Scythirus and Wadj is the other one and Catholic Europe is a third.
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Personally, if I where the Pope I'd offer Patrua my support if Paradise made an open move.

They couldn't very well deny you the chance to rearm if you and the Holy League where their only chance.

Still...

Anyhoo, Nag Ehgoeg is playing it's part in this war. Watching, waiting, building a public image.

Then just when the person who suspects it least suspects the most... we do nothing. And thus end the opening stage of Project Cooler.
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Oct 1 2005, 11:59 AM
I think that if you did that it would also have repercussions for other areas and other nations. The Papacy, getting more and more frustrated at Patruas refusals to amend the treaty, may well break it and go into an alliance with Paradise and Scythirus (if they would allow it of course).


Emperor-Priest Jorzo Mafil would have no problem having an alliance with Catholic Europe. Though his religion is theologically different in many respects, both he and the Pope are men of faith.

As for Paradise's equipment and support, it would be gladly welcomed by Mafil.

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Personally, I would not invisage a Patruan win. They would suffer their first defeat in a war.


It seems like Patrua doesn't want to march to Jihamed anyway. I plan for Prince Hirak-Al Voramix to eventually win this conflict, but now with support from Paradise, that will be most challenging for him alone. The armies of Western Scythirus are secretly loyal to him and it's but a fraction of the size of the rest of the Scythirian military.

The Prince has a rough road ahead.
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Since paradisian medias are state-controlled, I will need some neutral player to announce the secret support Paradise is offering to Mafil. Nag, you're interested? I'll give you the message if you are...
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Oct 2 2005, 03:26 PM
Personally, if I where the Pope I'd offer Patrua my support if Paradise made an open move.

They couldn't very well deny you the chance to rearm if you and the Holy League where their only chance.

But, with Paradise now in the picture Catholic Europe no longer needs to worry about keeping the favour of Patrua should they not wish to.

I mean, if we re-arm, Scythirus, Paradise, Catholic Europe and the Holy League would be too big an opponent for Patrua.
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Oct 2 2005, 10:19 PM
Since paradisian medias are state-controlled, I will need some neutral player to announce the secret support Paradise is offering to Mafil. Nag, you're interested? I'll give you the message if you are...

Is Catholic Europe religious?
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