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The Egyrian National Elections
Topic Started: Jul 31 2005, 08:57 PM (730 Views)
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OOC: Good to see that Mr. Mohammed Farah Aidid was deemed unfit to rule by the people of Egyria. We cant have the leader of the Habr Gidr clan running amok with the power of an entire civilized nation, just look what happened in Somalia. :ph43r:
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OOC: Good to see that Mr. Mohammed Farah Aidid was deemed unfit to rule by the people of Egyria. We cant have the leader of the Habr Gidr clan running amok with the power of an entire civilized nation, just look what happened in Somalia. :ph43r:

OOC: LOL, you're the first to notice!

By the way, I've been swamped with work, so I'll get the debates later
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***

THIS IS A SPECIAL PRESENTATION OF WWN...

"Good evening. I'm Mark Miller for WWN. The future of Egyria - perhaps the Middle East, perhaps even the world - rests upon the outcome of the Egyrian National Elections of 2005. We're here in Thebesia to cover the First Final Debate of the 2005 Egyrian National Elections. Tonight's theme is "Economy and Restoration," and is expected to be a strong night for Conservative candidate Dr. Jafar bin Salah. It will be moderated, once again, by Alan Greenspan, the Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve in the United States."

***

"Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Alan Greenspan will be moderating tonight. Please hold complete and absolute silence during tonight's proceedings."

"It is good to be back here in the Middle East once more. As always, I promise to fulfill my Moderation duties with the utmost integrity and fairness."

"Now for the candidates."

"Mr. Saddam bin Mohammed, Socialist."

"Dr. Jafar bin Salah, Conservative."

"Candidates, you have one minute to answer your question. I will call 'Time' at 50 seconds. The other candidate may raise his hands afterwards and ask for a 30-second rebuttal, 'Time' at 25 seconds. Candidates, you hereby declare that you understand these rules and promise to answer questions truthfully and respectfully?"

"Yes."

"Yes."

"Then let us begin the debate with a question directed to Mr. Saddam bin Mohammed. Mr. bin Mohammed, Egyrians have been lobbying for years for a lower tax rate. How would you respond to these requests if you were elected?

"It's good to see you here tonight Mr. Greenspan. As to the question at hand... I have heard time and time again of complaints against Egyria's high tax rates. And let me be frank - I agree. Our nation needs to provide for its citizens, yes. I do not plan on cutting back on health care, or education, or public transportation. Nor do I plan on stopping our environmental programs. Instead, what we need to do isprioritize. We need to look at what we actually use and what we don't. Like, say, free passenger rail travel. I don't think I've ever actually seen anyone use the train to get anywhere - they take a cab, or a bus, or a plane. Why have something you don't need? Cut free passenger rail - there, an idea already."

"Time."

"I've finished."

:: Dr. bin Salah looks stunned. He hasn't expected this::

"Dr. bin Salah, do you wish for a rebuttal?"

"I, er, no Alan, I mean Mr. Greenspan."

"Well, this next question is directed to you. At the last debate, you said that heavy taxes would just further weaken Egyria. Can you justify that statement?"

"Uh, well, Mr. Greenspan. As my counterpart said, thank you for coming tonight. Fellow Egyrians, I think it is time that we look at the rest of the world, not just our corner of it. The United States, the most powerful nation in the world? Capitalist. It's ability to work and control the world market by its great industry have seen it become the dominant nation on the planet. Perhaps a better example, though - Prussia. Europe was devastated by the German Civil War. Prussia arose from the ashes to become a major player in European politics. Capitalist economy. The world is getting ever smaller, and while our armed forces may be great, our economy is crippled paying for it! Despite the impression that the Catholic Wars of late may give, war is not common. And well it shouldn'-"

"Time."

"shouldn't be! We need to think long-term."

"Mr. bin Mohammed?"

"I hate to be rude Dr. bin Salah, but was there a point in there? Because I couldn't find it. Yes, there have been great states that were capitalist - but would you not consider China a great state? Just because she has been quiet in Asia does not mean she disappeared! Or Patrua? She is run by Socialists. Is she not arguably the most influential state in this region? I'm sorry, but I just don't think you're sharing all the facts."

::He's struck a chord. Everybody in Egyria likes Patrua. Damn political maneuverings! thought bin Salah. He's good at this... no, no, I'm just nervous. Come on, Doc, you teach this stuff!::

"Next question, for Mr. bin Mohammed. Some among the international community have remarked that Egyria's armed forces is too much of a burden, and makes your country militaristic. Would you agree?"

"To some extent, yes, and to some extent, no. Let me elaborate: as I've said before, we need to prioritize. We need to look at our military and make it efficient. For example, maintenance and spare parts for some of our older materiel is costly. So, if we begin a modernization campaign, we may end up saving money in the long run. But by 'efficient' I do not mean 'downsize.' To be a soldier in Egyria is a civic duty - is has always been that way, and that doesn't need to change. Militaristic? That's just not applicable here - for one thing, this region, much as we try to cut down, is still volatile. For another thing, just look at the European states for some militaristic nations!?. Our armed forces rank among anything else the world has to offer- .

"Time."

You don't need to fix what isn't broken! All you need to do is make some touch-ups now and again."

"Dr. bin Salah?"

"You said that if we began, and excuse me for paraphrasing, 'a modernization campaign, we'd save money in the long run.' Is that correct?"

::bin Mohammed nods::

"Perhaps that's true. But in the meanwhile, NOW, is what Egyria needs an even heavier burden to pay off, as always, by immense taxes? Do you think that is a risk that can be taken? Sometimes you must think long-term, but sometimes short-term. To be frank, sir, I don't think you're thinking through well enough. Everything must be considered!"

::I can do this, bin Salah thinks. This is MY element!::

"Dr. bin Salah, this next question is for you. The trade embargo on Scythirus by your nation was undertaken in reaction to the nuclear strikes launched by that nation in the Second War of Succession. Given that Emperor-Priest Jorzo Mafil has apologized for the attacks, and given that the Scythirian market is potentially huge, is Egyria morally obligated to maintain the embargo and disregard a potential avenue for Egyrian economic rebirth?"

::Shit, thinks bin Salah. Why did I get THAT?::

::Shit, thinks bin Mohammed. Thank God I didn't get THAT::

::a pause::

"Doctor bin Salah?"

"Yes, erhem. Well, Mr. Greenspan, that is a difficult question, and one that cannot be answered here and now. As I just said, everything must be considered, especially with a matter like this. That is, I think, what the mark of a true leader is - the ability to make good decisions with all possible assets. That's all I have to say."

::a light bulb goes off in bin Mohammed's head::

"Mr. bin Mohammed?"

"All very true, Dr. bin Salah, but you forget that another mark of a true leader is the ability to make good decisions quickly, so as to always have the initiative. He must be able to, if necessary, give the right answer to a question he's never heard. However, you are right - a leader mus use his assets. As for this embargo - I would ask the people. I would ask the people what they felt was right for Egyria. After all, it is their country too. They are affected by its actions."

::Shit, thinks bin Salah again::

::Mr. Saddam bin Mohammed looked calm but inside he was excited. He knew that he had given the correct answer to a seemingly unanswerable question - and shown that his counterpart hadn't.::

::Shit.::

"This is the last question. I will flip a coin to determine who answers first and who answers second. The coin is marked on either side with one of your names."

"The final question is this: Should the Middle East adopt a uniform currency system? Why or why not?"

::Mr. Greenspan flips the coin.::

"Dr. bin Salah, you have a minute."

"Absolutely, the Middle East should absolutely adopt a uniform currency system. As I said earlier, it is time for Egyria to look at the bigger picture. We need to enter the world's market on a larger scale, because it is a fact of life that 'he who has the gold makes the rules.' For too long has the Middle East been looked down upon by the world as a second-rate, unimportant region - despite our epic wars, despite our great achievements, we are only noticed for our oil. It's time for a change for the better for our region - and for our citizens too."

::Good, solid answer. Maybe a bit melodramatic, bin Salah smiles to himself, but good.::

"Mr. bin Mohammed, a minute."

"Well to be honest Mr. Greenspan, I don't know either way. While I agree that a uniform currency system would enable the Middle East to become a larger region in global politics, I am unsure how it would affect Egyria herself. Our economy works for our purposes. Everyone is fed, well-cared for, educated. It can use some work, sure - but so could everything. But while socialism works for us, it cannot directly apply to a larger, capitalist Middle Eastern economy. Egyria would lose importance in this region because we could not support the market as well as, say, The Resplendent Dawn could. The idea is intriguing, but worrisome. Finally, thank you for hosting us tonight Mr. Greenspan."

"Having finished with the questions, I hereby declare this Debate closed. Thank you both for coming tonight and thinking always for your citizens. Good night."

::Shit, bin Salah thinks once again. This was supposed to be my area, that was supposed to be my question - and yet he answered it better than I did. My students must be laughing...::

***

"A surprising debate tonight. Obviously Mr. Saddam bin Mohammed prepared well for tonight, making Dr. Jafar bin Salah look ill-suited to tonight's economic topics - despite being a Professor in Business Management! Both, however, made their points well-made, and, as always, it is up to the voters. John Clark will cover next week's debate, 'Religion,' from Mamluk. This is Mark Miller, WWN, in Thebesia."
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This is Wadji National News, and I'm Azzam Feshtun. In international news, Saddam bin Mohammed, Socialist candidate in Egyria's upcoming election, made statements today to the effect that he would be willing to end the Middle Eastern embargo against Scythirus, if it is what the Egyrian people want.

(Cut to the Debate. bin Mohammed is speaking)
"As for this embargo - I would ask the people. I would ask the people what they felt was right for Egyria. After all, it is their country too. They are affected by its actions."
(Cut back to the newsroom)

Though Mr. bin Mohammed did not say that he wished to end the embargo, he made it quite clear that he would be willing to do so if asked. This has many Wadji leaders worried that Scythirus may be on its way into power again. Minister of Diplomacy Ahmed Harshisha had this to say:

(Cut to Mr. Harshisha)
"We cannot let the embargo against Scythirus be abandoned. We must remember what the Scythirans did to us, and apparently we must remind Mr. bin Mohammed as well. The Scythiran army invaded Wadj. Their occupation forces were brutal. Jorzo Mafil and former Crown Prince Abdul roamed Wadj, forcing entire towns to be converted to their evil religion. Many towns were wiped out by Jorzo Mafil and Abdul, their inhabitants were sacrificed to their brutal God. Will Egyria trade with such a people? How can anyone in the world even think of dealing with such a man? Yet apparently there are those who would gloss over Jorzo Mafil's perversions. The NeoRomanEmpire attempted to establish trade with Scythirus. If other nations follow, how long will it be before Wadj is just another Scythiran province? I implore Mr. bin Mohammed to see reason. I believe that he is a good man, just a man with a short memory. Please Mr. bin Mohammed, do not allow the Scythirans to become strong again. We must work together to protect the world from the Scythiran menace."
(Cut back to the Studio)

Other Wadji leaders have also expressed their firm support for the embargo against Scythirus. Many also stated fears of a strong Scythirus, one able to once again threaten Wadj and the world.

In other news, a shocking report was released regarding conditions in the secretive African nation of Le Congo Leopold. The report was made public by the NeoMacedonian government. Perhaps one of the most disturbing aspects of the report detailed how the Force Publique, the Congolese army, was forced to cut off the hands of its victims, and that each soldier had to meet a certain quota of hands. Other aspects of the report included...
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***

THIS IS A SPECIAL PRESENTATION OF WWN...

"Good evening and welcome to WWN. I'm John Clark. Tonight we cover the second debate of the 2005 Egyrian National Elections here in Mamluk. The theme is "Religion." After last week's relatively dismal performance by Conservative Dr. Jafar bin Salah, this is his chance to fight back - or, on the other hand, for Mr. Saddam bin Mohammed, the Socialist candidate, to knock him out of the running. It will be moderated by the Ayatollah Khomeini, once the leader of the former state of Iran.

***

"Ladies and gentlemen, the Ayatollah Khomeini will be moderating tonight. Please hold complete and absolute silence during tonight's proceedings."

"God willing, may I perform the moderation duties with fairness and honor."

"Now for the candidates."

"Mr. Saddam bin Mohammed, Socialist."

"Dr. Jafar bin Salah, Conservative."

"Candidates, you have one minute to answer your question. I will call 'Time' at 50 seconds. The other candidate may raise his hands afterwards and ask for a 30-second rebuttal, 'Time' at 25 seconds. Candidates, you hereby declare that you understand these rules and promise to answer questions truthfully and respectfully?"

"Yes."

"Yes."

"Then I open this debate with a question directed to Dr. Jafar bin Salah. Doctor, the Catholic Wars have had some argue that Catholicism be officially denounced by Egyria and Catholics expelled from Egyria. Would you concur?"

"Well, firstly, I am most honored to be in the presence of man of your stature Ayatollah. I do not believe a denouncement of Catholicism by Egyria would serve any purpose. It is in my opinion that the 'Catholicism' practiced by 'Catholic' Europe is as much 'Catholic' as the 'Islam' by Muslim fundamentalists. Catholic Europe is not so much a theocracy but a mere tyranny, plain and simple. The Papacy couldn't care less what we think about Catholicism, nor if we deported the few Catholics in Egyria."

"Mr. bin Mohammed?"

"Again, as the Doctor said, it is an honor to meet you. Dr. bin Salah, sir, to the question posed you have given, as it were, a correct answer, but not a right answer. The number of Catholics in Egyria is irrelevant. They are citizens just like everyone else, no matter what their religious beliefs are. An expulsion would be going against Egyria stands for. We are, quite possibly, the most free socialism in the world - even Patrua is considered by some a police state, but never has Egyria. Our citizens must have their rights always, not just if 'no one else cares'. I also believe that denouncing Cathol-"

"Time."

"Catholicism because of one countries' view of it is unfair to those who those who have a different view of it."

"Mr. Bin Mohammed, the next question is yours. Egyria, having been torn apart by the Civil War, needs a common cause. Is religious unity the best choice?"

"Absolutely not. As I said in my last rebuttal, Egyrian citizens have their rights. One of those includes the freedom to worship whatever God or gods they wish. Just because the majority of Egyria - around three-quarters - are Sunni Muslims does not mean the other quarter should be shrugged off. That is not what Egyria is about - and indeed, that should be our common cause. While some may argue that the 'Great Egyrian Experiment' failed because of the Civil War, that is far from the truth - lest we forget the United States, who too suffered civil war in her adolescence, only to become stronger from it. We must bind together - "

"Time."

"to see the Great Alliance of Egyria and Syria through all obstacles, because we are truly unique in the world."

"Dr. bin Salah?"

"It is true that the United States survived her civil war, but Egyria is not the United States. We do not have rich resources and vast amounts of land - our expansion attempts have always ended in failure, and we do not even control the Nile or the Suez, just a bunch of sand. Yes, we have succeeded in building a nation, but - and I risk the animosity of all my fellow citizens - are we truly 'great'? How many other nations have faced the embarassments we have? Expansion blocked by Patrua. Losing our North Kurdistani territory after the February War. And a civil war, showing that our governme-"

"Time."

"government has no contingency! It is time for a change."

"The next question is directed to Dr. bin Salah. There have been complaints by the religious minorities that having the main Minister of Religion always being of the dominant religion in Egyria - which has always been Sunni Islam - goes against the fundamentals of Egyrian socialism. What is your response to these lobbyings?"

"Well, while I am no socialism, I agree that the practice is unfair - the names of the former Minor Ministers were hardly known, even here in Egyria. Therefore, as Sheik, I would be sure to include, in my planned overall reevaluation of Egyrian infrastructure and bureaucracy, a plan to examine the Religious ministry so as to more fair to the Egyrian population."

"Mr. bin Mohammed?"

"Sir, I do not wish to be rude, but as noble as that sounds, to be blunt, it is illegal. The Egyrian Constitution stipulates, among many other things, there is to be representative for every religion within Egyria - a Catholic, a Protestant, a Jew, etc. - and they are minor ministers, while the Minister of Religion is always of the most dominant religion - which happens to be Sunni Islam. Whether or not it is fair is not the point - the Egyrian Constitution can ONLY be amended by a referendum of the people, and not by an action of the Sheik. For a Sheik to violate Egyrian Law should, by definition, be an oxymoron."

"The last directed question before we move on to the 'coin question' is for Mr. Saddam bin Mohammed. Many in the Middle East have advocated the creation of a new Caliphate, in part to counter-balance the Catholic League. If you were elected, would Egyria support the Caliphate?"

"I believe that national support for a Caliph has an outcome with a precedent - ironically, that of Catholic Europe. Theocracies are dangerous because they have the constant tendency to become fundamentalist - almost neo-fascist. Plus, as I have mentioned repeatedly tonight, biased religious support goes against the ideals of Egyria. Support for a Caliph should be personal, not national."

"Dr. bin Salah?"

"I concur with Mr. bin Mohammed."

"This is the last question. I will flip a coin to determine who answers first and who answers second. The coin is marked on either side with one of your names."

"The final question is this: Do you consider yourself religious? And how will that affect your rule if you are elected Sheik?"

"Dr. bin Salah, you have a minute."

"I personally consider myself a religious man, but my reign as Sheik will not be affected by it, because a leader must not only think of himself and his beliefs, but also those of his countrymen. Thank you for hosting us tonight Ayatollah."

"I consider myself religious, though not, perhaps, the way most people do. While I do not believe that the world was made in seven days, but rather by the way science has shown it, I believe that He is the reason why that science works the way it does. Do I believe that Muhammed truly heard the voice of Allah, or just voices in his head? I believe, either way, that God spoke to him. I believe in morality, and justice, and honor, and fairness, and I believe that, if I consider those if I am elected Sheik, if I will not base my actions necessarily on religion but on morality, justice, honor, and fairness -

"Time."

"-either way, I think, if I may be so bold, He will agree that I am doing what is best for Egyria. Thank you for hosting tonight sir."

"Having finished with the questions, I hereby declare this Debate closed. Thank you both for coming tonight, and God bless."

***

"A much stronger performance from Dr. Jafar bin Salah tonight, but once again it appears that Mr. Saddam bin Mohammed was better prepared - and at one point humiliated the Doctor by pointing out that one of his plans would be illegal. It is up to the voters, however. Mark Miller will host next week's debate, 'Foreign Policy,' in Thebesia. This is John Clark, WWN, Mamluk."

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--- A Patrua Press Agency Release ---


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IMPERIAL COUNCIL DIVIDED OVER EGYRIAN ELECTIONS

Caputa (PPA) While the "government party" majority in the Imperial Council has voiced its support -although with the necessary reservations- for the conservative candidate Doctor Jafar bin Salah in the Egyrian elections, Patrua’s Socialist Party opposition has rallied behind Socialist candidate bin Mohammad.

The Socialist Party, the biggest party in the Imperial Council sees its moves frustrated by an allied block of the Nationalist Party, Imperialist Party and Democratic Conservatives. The Socialist Party was the biggest winner of the elections and won the popular vote in four out of six provinces, however it was the "government party" alliance that kept them from taking the helm in governing the Empire. The "government parties" have announced their preference for the conservative candidate in Egyria, Dr. bin Salah. "Much as Mister bin Muhammad is capable, we believe that a scholar like Mister bin Salah is the better suited man to rebuild his nation in the wake of the destructive civil war that unfortunately raged through Egyria recently." The support comes with the necessary reserve though. "Mister Salah's criticism at the address of Patrua for denying Egyria to execute its expansionist aspirations, is undeserved. If this is the road Mister bin Salah wishes to venture further down into, he will find no friend in the Empire. With the exception of these issues, the views of Mister bin Salah are also the most constructive with regard to Egyria’s future. I’m convinced that Egyria would flourish under his guidance. Naturally, the like-minded get along more than those of opposite beliefs, so I do think relations between our government and that of Egyria would thrive best with a fellow conservative."

The Socialist Party staunchly supports the Socialist candidate. "No sensible person can take Doctor Jafar bin Salah seriously. If he gets beaten in his very own field... A field in which he is supposed to be one of the pundits of his nation, then we question his ability to steer an entire nation. The prime concern should be the people, not the economy, especially after the civil war has affected so many of them. It’s no use trying to put all the money and effort into the hands of a few that will profit while the masses stay behind deprived and bitter. First the people, then the economic initiatives will flow forth from them. Besides, the remarks about failed expansion in the past seem to imply a lingering wish to do so again. That would possibly be the worst idea: to blow all the new funds on some prestige project while the people need housing, safety, food, water and electricity. Our bet, the people's choice would be Saddam bin Muhammad."

Currently the polls point towards a victory by Socialist candidate bin Mohammad, especially after the meager appearances of Mister bin Salah in the television debates. But it remains to be seen who will take the wheel of Egyria the next couple of years.



OOC.
Egyria, Patrua's government is not really run by socialists. Unfortunately, I might add because I would have liked it better that way. The Socialist Party is the biggest and most popular party in the Imperial Council, but all the others have formed a coalition the so-called 'government parties' (because they were in power before). It is true though, that because of the moral weight (most popular party), the Socialist Party can put its decisive mark on the decisions. Third thing is that the other parties have shifted slightly to the left in their programs because they are pragmatic (well, they are political parties!) and turn with the electorate's wishes.

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OOC: Yeah, this should technically have ended, but I got caught up other things... rewind back a few weeks for this. It's ending this way because people weren't as involved as I'd hoped.

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THIS IS A WWN SPECIAL REPORT...

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Saddam bin Mohammed has been elected Sheik of the Great Alliance of Egypt and Syria after a stunning turn in the Egyrian National Elections.

"I can see now that my country is behind my opponent, and I believe that now is not the time for further division within our nation. I hereby officially concede victory to Sheik Saddam bin Mohammed," said Conservative candidate Jafar bin Salah a few hours ago at a press conference.

"This is entirely unexpected! No one has ever conceded a Final Election, and especially as the race was so close! I thank and praise Dr. bin Salah for his wonderful and insightful stances during this race, and wish him the best of luck," replied now-Sheik Saddam bin Mohammed.

The last poll conducted before the concession revealed that the Socialist candidate had 57% of the vote, while Conservative Dr. bin Salah had 43% - a margin much smaller than expected for bin Mohammed, given Egyria's powerful left-wing.

"The support of Dr. bin Salah by Patrua was wholly unforseen, and devastating to us," revealed a campaign advisor for bin Mohammed.

Patrua may now regret their backing of the Conservative. Although Egyria has long considered Patrua almost as their "big brother in Africa" - a position many Patruans find "bizarre and laughable," according to a Patruan official on condition of anonymity - the snubbing of the majority left-wingers in the nation may well have dire political consequences, said Nathan Goldin, a former U.S. official.

"The Socialist Party in Patrua, to Egyria at least, has been proven to be weak, being outmaneuvered by a coalition of the other parties. Moreover, Patrua has never shown any real affection for Egyria - more an attitude of mild disdain and ignorance - and their actions during the Civil War - or lack thereof - will be remembered in Egyria for years to come. There's no telling what might happen; perhaps a shift towards Wadj and The Resplendent Dawn, perhaps a more isolationist view. There's no telling what might happen."

This is Mark Miller, WWN, London.
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OOC: Why not be visited by St. Elizabeth Rose of New Harumf and have a mass conversion to Catholicism! :P
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OOC: Why not be visited by St. Elizabeth Rose of New Harumf and have a mass conversion to Catholicism! :P

OOC: LOL, no... but at some point, we'll petition for a Cardinal to be our Minister of Catholicism I'm sure.

Catholics in Egyria are a rare breed, especially now.
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OOC: LOL, no... but at some point, we'll petition for a Cardinal to be our Minister of Catholicism I'm sure.

Catholics in Egyria are a rare breed, especially now.

Well, depending on how rare they are the Pope may reject the petition.
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THE NEXT COUNCIL OF MINISTERS OF EGYRIA
(updated as needed)

Minister of Diplomacy

Chief Ambassador Omar ibn Zaid

Minister of the Economy

Minister of Education
Foaud Rizbari

Minister of Religion*
Imam Mohammed Farah Aidid

-Minister of Protestant Christianity

-Minister of Shi'a Islam
Imam Farouk Barki

-Minister of Judaism

-Minister of Orthodox Christianity

-Minister of Catholic Christianity

-Minister of All Other Religious Denominations

Minister of War
Farah Jinai

Other

General of the Egyptian 'Adhamah Guard
Moustafa al-Zarqawi

General of the Syrian 'Adhamah Guard
Jafar Pasha




*The newest religious census shows denominations as follows:

70% Sunni -4%
12% Protestant +3%
9% Shiite +1%
4.6% Jewish +1.6%
3.2% Orthodox -.8%
.7% Catholic -.8%
.5% "Other" +- 0%
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OOC: While it's not legally required, it's usual for a Sheik (Kazali didn't do it, but he was also one of the more headstrong Sheiks) to defer to higher religious authorities in the case of appointment of religious minister. This time around, this applies to the Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant Churches - and so CE, RD, and Prussia, respectively.

You must "select" (i.e., make up) a candidate or, more preferably, a list of candidates (they have to actually be Egyrian - pretend I sent a list of all the possible people) for the dual role of being, in the Catholic Church's case, both the Egyrian Cardinal and the Minister of Catholic Christianity. Sheik Saddam bin Mohammed will then select who is best for Egyria - assuming he likes any of your choices.

NOTE (this means you CE) that I control "your" guy. For one thing, Minor Religious Ministers really are minor - only the Protestant would have any significant say, and even that would be negligible. The Minor Ministers are more like advisors to the main Minister.

For another thing, the Council of Ministers have no real power - the buck stops at the Sheik. They are themselves advisors, and cannot dictate policy themselves.

Finally, while Egyria likes RD, they (socialist) tolerate (capitalist) Prussia because of the mutual enemy in CE - and speaking of CE, Catholics are an extreme minority in Egyria, and most of them think that the Papacy gives Catholicism a bad name.

This is more symbolic than anything - roleplaying potential isn't great here - but I think it seems "politically correct."
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OOC: Any and all Cardinals are spiritually bound to follow the Pope over all other authority.

Now, I accept that temporally the Cardinals will have to do as the Sheikh tells them, spiritually to do as the Sheikh, rather than the Pope, tells them would, effectively, cause them to be excommunicated.

Both here, and in the real world, there has been a history of the problems that this causes - France, English Catholics during the reign of Elizabeth I and later Stuart Monarchs etc.

Catholics under these regimes al had to decide, and were placed in turmoil, because of their deference to the authority of the Pope - which is more important, to Catholics, than any other (especially non-Catholic) power.
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OOC: Any and all Cardinals are spiritually bound to follow the Pope over all other authority.

I get the impression that its the Catholic European Cardinals who are having problems with that, not the proposed Egyrian one.


Egyria, I will select somebody for your Orthodox representative as you asked. Should the person be of a certain rank?
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Oct 6 2005, 07:27 AM
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OOC: Any and all Cardinals are spiritually bound to follow the Pope over all other authority.

I get the impression that its the Catholic European Cardinals who are having problems with that, not the proposed Egyrian one.


Egyria, I will select somebody for your Orthodox representative as you asked. Should the person be of a certain rank?

Well, yes they are. But, they are not necessarily disobeying the Pope spiritually, they are just disobeying him temporally.

They are quite content with his spirituality but the more temporal aspects of the faith are what they are not happy with. So they would argue that they are only disobeying the Pope temporally which is, in a sense, okay.

The Egyrian Cardinal, however, would only be able to disobey the Pope spiritually and not temporally.
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OOC: Well that's all he could do anyway. Remember, he's only an advisor, and a very minor one at that.


Whatever you want RD :)
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OOC: Well that's all he could do anyway. Remember, he's only an advisor, and a very minor one at that.

I know that. I was just pointing out that, ultimately, the Cardinal would have to do as the Pope says and not as the Sheikh says, unless the Cardinal wished to risk being excommunicated.
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OOC: That's reasonable, so long as OOC you IC the Pope remembers that he has no power.
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Oct 6 2005, 02:09 PM
OOC: That's reasonable, so long as OOC you IC the Pope remembers that he has no power.

OOC: Of course, the Pope has no temporal power over the Cardinal. He can request that he do things but the Cardinal doesn't have to listen.

Spiritually, though, the Cardinal must do as the Pope says or be excommunicated.
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OOC: This might all come to naught anyway. After all, you ARE Catholic Europe, and this IS Egyria. You'd better have some kick-butt choices or Saddam will just be like "Screw CE, I'm picking my own guy."

Nobody in Egyria really cares if the Pope gets snubbed, since they all think he's nuts :)
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OOC: This might all come to naught anyway. After all, you ARE Catholic Europe, and this IS Egyria. You'd better have some kick-butt choices or Saddam will just be like "Screw CE, I'm picking my own guy."

Nobody in Egyria really cares if the Pope gets snubbed, since they all think he's nuts :)

The Pope and Catholic Europe would all care greatly though.

And please do not forget that this Pope is not like other Popes - he is not Catholic European but Gallian.

Yes, you could term all the Royal Popes as to what you said but Pope Gregory XVIII is fundamentally different to them - he is neither a militant, royal or catholic European.
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OOC: I know that and Sheik Saddam knows that to some extent, but Egyria doesn't really.
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THIS IS WWN...

Egyrian Sheik appoints new Minister of War, surprises abound

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Newly-elected Egyrian Sheik Saddam bin Mohammed today announced that he would be appointing Colonel Farah Jinai to the position of Minister of War in the new Egyrian government.

"Colonel Farah's performance during the Civil War showed that he has tremendous command abilities, and is just what we Egyrians need to get our military back to her former glory - and then to greater heights!" said the Sheik in the confirmation speech.

The appointment of Farah came as a shock to the Egyrian Generals who expected one of their number to become the new Minister... until they remembered that the 'Adhamah Guard, the elite home core of the army, will need new generals.

Such news came during a live discussion between Sheik Saddam bin Mohammed and General Ayyubid, of the Egyptian 'Adhamah Guard, and General Abbasid, of the Syrian. The Sheik thanked them profusely:

"Together, you reunited Egyria after she was broken. Together, you brought light to Egyria while she was in the deepest of darknesses. Together, you brought order to Egyria when she was in chaos. Together, my Generals, you saved Egyria."

Since an Egyrian 'Adhamah Guard former or current general cannot legally be appointed to the position of Minister, the Sheik hinted to the Egyrian populace watching that a referendum to change the constitution might be in order...

And then General Ayyubid, the 'Savior of Egyria,' turned and said, "I think, perhaps sire, I would like more to retire to my little villa by the sea. I thank you for your kind words, but we did not single-handedly restore Egyria - our men did."

"I, too, would like to go home, though I've been busy so long, I am sure my wife will kill me once I get there," concurred Abbasid.

The remarks stunned Egyrians watching - and once more later on for Generals Moustafa and Jafar, who discovered themselves newly appointed Generals of the 'Adhamah Guard in, respectively, Egypt and Syria.

The Sheik's last words of his conference with Ayyubid and Abbasid were surely agreed with across his country:

"I have never been in the presence of better men than I have tonight, and I do not believe I ever will. I could never be so lucky again, to have known you true men."

This is John Clark, WWN, New York.
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General Ayyubid Aliph of the Egyptian 'Adhamah Guard

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General Abbasid bin Sawari of the Syrian 'Adhamah Guard

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OOC: The plot thickens eh?
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