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| Topic Started: May 28 2005, 01:27 PM (1,701 Views) | |
| Patrua | Jun 9 2005, 05:31 PM Post #51 |
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The reason I put this in is because Nation A that RP's an army of 600,000 soldiers can be listed way higher on NS' "highest military per capita" than Nation B who lists an army of 3,000,000. Now something has to account for that, otherwise any new nation can come in and claim to have a bigger army than a far stronger nation and then claim victory because it had the "greater firepower". Doesn't fly with me, unless you have agreed OOC to do so. Otherwise the bigger and stronger nation pwns you, whatever you claim RP wise. Now I still believe that fighting prowess is pretty darn important. By your logic, the insurgents in Iraq should be an easy walk-over. Well, they aren't. Your argument here would be that the Americans take care of civilians and human rights. I won't start rambling about Guantanamo and stuff. I'll take an example in which Human Rights and all that is not so easily verifiable. If greater firepower denied the personal skill of the soldier, then the Russians would have finished Chechnia by now. Then Special Forces would not be so darn important, then the Serbians would have finished the Croatians and Bosnians before the latter two received material to fight with. Then the Iran-Iraq War would have been resolved in a month instead of eight years. And then the Vietnamese would have been defeated to napalm, cluster bombs and Agent Orange. Then the Colombians would have finished the FARC rebels a long time ago, then the UN would not have been pushed all the way back in the Korean War by the Chinese and then the invasion of Cuba in 1961 at the Bahìa de Cochinos would not have failed. What I see, is that you try to escape the bad things of your nation (overall low intelligence) but do want to exploit the good things. Well, mature players take it all instead of moaning about the strict description of a ranking. They recognize that you can't have it all and take the good with the bad. Patrua's education is tenth in the region and Patrua's military stands at a fourth place. But my people are not exactly the most happy people of the Middle East. And I don't think I would be either in this stratocracy where draconic security measures deprive you of most of your privacy. You people are dumb, and your soldiers are recruited from the people. Live with it instead of waylaying it for not being 'accurate enough'. Education is not just scholarly education, also military. And the Vietnamese peasants might have been illiterate, they were mighty well taught the ways of guerrilla warfare. This matters too. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jun 10 2005, 09:41 AM Post #52 |
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And the "something" that accounts for RPed army sizes are UN listings, which we alll accept as a legitimate statistics to base RP on. I've already shown that my nation is ranked higher in all military aspects than Malagassia, and just about every other nation in the African continent.
I doubt any of the nations currently fighting me, with maybe the exception of yourself, is stronger than my country. I am bigger and ranked higher on pertinent UN charts than all those involved, except for Patrua which has a larger population. I've already claimed RP wise that South Africa is bound to lose the war, but I still want to make it interesting. My country would be defeated by a bigger and stronger alliance, not a bigger and stronger nation. And it would take a while to fully defeat all my armies, and the process would lay waste to much of southern Africa. The problem I have so far is unrealistic RP which vastly underrates Antebellum South's army while vastly overrating Malagassia's army. I doubt it is realistic for Malagassia to claim he took out 85% of my air force in one fell swoop. He also claims to fully control the airspace, preventing my air force from doing anything meaningful while he himself raids my cities as if I have no air defenses. The other events in the war so far are not problematic, Syawla realistically RPed his invasion of South Africa; he legitimately annexed land from me while my armies are divided and fighting a three front war, and I expect to officially cede land to him in the peace negotiation.
Guantanamo is nothing compared to the hypothetical human rights abuses that, if practiced, would indeed make the insurgents in iraq a walk-over. If we pulled out all our grunts and bombed Baghdad, Fallujah, etc. to glass, killing millions of civilians in the process, that would finish off unfinished business pretty quickly. Obviously one thing preventing the Americans from bombing Iraq back to the Stone Age has to do with human rights, either genuine concern for civilians or fear of international retribution for such a genocide. I definitely would be disgusted at these barbaric acts in real life, but in RP, these massive human rights abuses are no problem. Besides, if we do bomb Iraq even more in real life, it would most likely inspire more anger in terrorism in other places. But this is not a concern in RP.
I'd wager that if Russia were allowed to quarantine Chechnya, bomb the cities and make it an official war objective to kill as many civilians as possible through arial bombing, the war would be over in no time. Right now the full firepower of Russia is not being exercised in Chechnya (not that I'm saying it should).
Special Forces is important only because genocide is not an option that is acceptable. Wars that can be won by careful planning, tactics, and long-term conquest/subjugation of the enemy can also be won by total eradication/genocide of the enemy. In RP, though, we have plenty of nutcases on the forum without qualms about throwing nukes and napalm around in civilian areas.
In these cases the Serbians, Iranians, Iraqis, Colombians, etc. did not have the firepower of a US or Soviet Union. In the Balkan or Iran-Iraq conflicts, we had belligerents who had the will to use overwhelming firepower but did not have the means, i.e. they did not not actually possess the bombs that would let them carry out their genocidal intents. With the US and Russia, two educated and advanced societies, we have the bombs but we don't have the will or incentive to wage modern total war.
I am not trying to escape the bad things, I am claiming that stupidity does not really have a major effect on the military. If anything high intelligence would decrease morale in the army, since the smart people would think twice about jumping into the enemy crossfire for a war that the government imposed on them, while dumb people would charge into machine gun fire becauase Jesus or George Bush told them to. But UN charts-wise, I don't think my country has any bad placement when it comes to military-related things. The low showing for intelligence is bad only in the civilian quality of life aspect. A strict description of the ranking is important if we are to have logical RP wars, and if we look at all the Nationstates issues, stupidity seems to be mostly about scholarly things. We get issues about burning books, banning Harry potter, outlawing schools, but nowhere do we get issues about outlawing guerilla warfare. |
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| Syawla | Jun 10 2005, 10:30 AM Post #53 |
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A statement from the Syawlan Ruling council: The ruling council of Syawla issued a death warrant to a number of traitors present within our borders who had been working for the South Africans. These prisoners await execution following a military tribunal which has declared them guilty as charged. On the war front, our troops have gained further ground and now lie once again in field artillery range of the South African Capital. Our troops have been ordered to open fire on select targets throughout the city. |
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| Patrua | Jun 11 2005, 06:16 AM Post #54 |
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And I'm ranked higher than you are in the UN listings. While the army you RP is far bigger than mine. And yet I would win.
Erm, that part was when your planes attacked Malagassia proper. Now I'm sure that you, as self-proclaimed RP expert will have conferred this OOC with Malagassia. Otherwise, the attacked country has the right to reply thusly. Secondly, Malagassia RP's the combined UN armies. Most of His own, is still located in Malagassia itself as far as I know. Seeing that your forces must be stetched fighting the UN coalition on one side, Syawla on another, the attack on Malagassia must have been in his advantage. The more cause it's over his own, undamaged territory.
It didn't in Nam, although they were pretty much carpet bombed. Daisy Cutters on Torah Borah didn't prove very useful either.
I know a Chechnian and several Russians. Luckily they don't know each other. I heard from the Russians what methods they use. On one occasion, an APC convoy was ambushed, so they attacked a village. They pounded it into oblivion. Really, the village was gone. Three weeks after, another convoy was ambushed at nearly exact the same location by the very same guerrilleros from that very same village (which had re-emerged in a golf-plate and rags form). They had helicopters shell it for a day. Day after a helicopter is shot down over the craters of the village. Or as Bartos asked me: "How do you fight an enemy like that?" "They're like cockroaches, you throw a meteorite on them and they still survive". The Chechnian told me how they had 'cleansed' his village after rebel activity had been noticed 'in the area'. Still, hey took refuge in cages, mountains and whatnot. Sure you can go and root those out too, but a determined enemy -even if badly equipped- can be insurmountable. Even if you don't care about human rights (which according to the Russian I spoke does not apply to Chechnians).
Yep, but here MAD comes into play. A small nation that notices you fired a nuke and fires his into your territory will wreak as much damage as you did.
Not on global scale, but on the scale of the battletheatre and people involved, the Serbians, Iraqis (they even used gas, Chrissake) and Iranians did have the means. The Colombian army is as good as an integral part of the US military. They do have the firepower if they need to.
Sheesh, if you really think it doesn't then maybe you should join. Of course it doesn. Strategic insight and knowledge of tactics can give you the upper hand. There are enough examples of that. If you have moronic officers, then your army is in shambles. At the beginning of WWII, the allies had a far greater number of tanks, the French even had technologically superior tanks (Char B was even recycled by the Germans later) to those of the Germans. The German officers however, were smart enough to use them in such a way that the superior numbers were nulled.
No, it's intelligence in general, you can't just state that the civilian population only is dumb, while the entire military somehow miraculously escapes this nation-wide phenomenon. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jun 11 2005, 11:21 AM Post #55 |
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1) I don't think nationstates differentiates between "military population" and "military per capita". It just says "safest nations" and I think Patrua still ranks first there. 2) If you say intelligence doesn't play a role, then I claim arms manufacturing figures are biased too. A nation that doesn't export home-made weapons will have a smaller industry. That doesn't mean that its army suffers from that. Secondly, these nations can buy their stuff from elsewhere. The Empire hasn't manufactured most of its weapons itself. They were bought, a lot of them on the old NS forums.
That's funny, man. One of them has used that exact line. And he heard it on the briefing of his detachment.
Check, they've done that. Civilians that are 'family' (= have the same surname) or that are thought to have collaborated. Pretty hardcore, no?
Have you seen any recent pictures of Grozny. It's not Dresden, but there's not a whole lot left.
At that time, the top brass of Al-Qaeda was hiding there. Seems important enough. Secondly, the US are now still being attacked by Taliban operating from these caves. The Russians know about that too. These caves are acting as hide-outs and bunkers. They only need a sortie once in a while and everyone would recognize the necessity of rooting out the caves. As a sidenote: I also know an Uzbek guy called Talib Osmorov who served in the Red Army during the Afghanistan War. But he only tells me about vodka, so can't back up with first-hand story material here.
Yeah, I seem to have heard about Laos getting kicked the living hell out of it as well as Cambodja being the scene of bombing and incursions. And now, the Americans suddenly developed qualms. That's funny.
What I'm saying is that since the dawn of age until this very day, intelligent planning of military strategies and tactics have always played an important role. So I'll take that evidence over your theories.
NS says nothing about illiteracy, they use the word intelligence. Illiteracy may have no effect on the army, a lack of intelligence does. On the local soldier level less so than from the rank of sergeant onward. If you can't get your supplies delivered properly or a coherent cover organized or a ponton bridge installed, then your conquests will soon be over. Pilots for instance need a serious education. They need to have a grasp of aerodynamics and capable of performing several complex actions at the same time. A frigate captain needs to be able to work with a sextant, needs to be able to estimate distances, needs to think ahead in manoeuvring. Let alone the guys in the tower of an aircraft carrier. Who would program the cruise missiles? A moron who knows how a gun is fired?. Edit: Damned! Sorry man, I pressed the wrong button and now I have edited my reply into your post. Anyhoo, the stuff you said about Malagassia bears some validity though. You need to work that out with him though. Always have an OOC conversation about the story line before leaving on a IC war... |
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| Patrua | Jun 11 2005, 06:24 PM Post #56 |
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I'm sorry, I have pressed the wrong button and inadvertedly edited your post because I didn't notice. |
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| Comrade Queen | Jun 11 2005, 09:04 PM Post #57 |
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Less talking, more bombing. ;) |
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| Syawla | Jun 12 2005, 10:37 AM Post #58 |
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Jean Lee, minister of the ruling council for warfare has resigned his position in order to take up a commission within the Syawlan army. Lee declared that he could no longer countenance ordering his brother Syawlans to die without being in the front line himself. Despite him entering the army at the officer rank of General, the move has proved enormously popular with the troops and has provided much needed impetus to the war effort. A new minister for warfare has not yet been announced. Four Syawlan traitors were summarily executed this morning following a military tribunal which found them guilty of promoting insurgency, terrorism and deliberately aiding an enemy of the people, state and of hampering the war effort. The men, from the south of the country, are linked to the main white supremacist political groups of Syawla which have now been banned and their leaders arrested and questioned by military interrogation squads. The ruling council issued a statement urging Syawlan citizens to be wary of traitors in their midst. In the front line, Syawlan troops and reservists, alongside a number of military personnel provided by Camizu have been poured in to cement the Syawlan army's positions, some 35km north of Pretoria. Syawlan artillery continues to pound targets within the capital in preparation for a final allied assault on the city and regime. Syawlan Independent News Agency |
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| NRE | Jun 12 2005, 11:38 PM Post #59 |
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As Prince Alexander works steadily on securing private deals with outside arms manufacturers on supplying weaponry to the armed forces which he plans to construction, he hears of the terrorists in Syawla. The Prince hopes that these actions of terror will end there and that no other nation will be burdened by South African terrorist. He alos hopes that this war will end soon. He is eager to begin the reforms he has in store for the nation. |
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| Syawla | Jun 14 2005, 05:43 AM Post #60 |
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The discoveries made by Ruandan-Urundese troops of appalling human rights abuses committed by the South African government in the form of concentration camps unfortunately comes as no shock to our government, as conversations with locals in the territory we have taken, has hinted at similar barbaric practices of the South African regime, although it must be stated, that evidence for such claims has not yet been discovered by our forces. Our disgust for such practices goes without saying, and they have served for our government to remind our people of the dangers of a South African victory and justifies the strong stance taken by our government towards insurgency, terrorism and treason within Syawla. Our troops have begun their march into Pretoria, facing heavy resistance from South African troops positioned in lines some 27km north of the city center. Camizuan and Syawlan casualties have been appalling but our resolve remains strong and gradually the largely militia force of South Africa has been pushed back, with the aid of the Syawlan Air Force. Command of all Operations in South Africa has passed to General Lee, former minister for War, and he has been dispatched to the combat zone immediately in order to ensure that this is indeed the final stage of this terrible conflict. -------------------------------------- As Denizistan makes inroads towards the capital from the South-West, Syawla combined with the troops donated by our gracious allies Camizu, has some 2.5 million soldiers, including reservists responsible for securing our rear, assaulting the capital. Our troops are making slow gains as street fighting is intense with soldiers almost having to fight house for house due to the cowardly actions of the South African military in placing civillians in harm's way. General Lee has now arrived and has begun conducting operations, which prove tremendously difficult due to our inability to use our air force due to the fact that citizens lay in the vicinity. Today, a key member of the South African government handed himself over to our troops. He attempted to surrender information to our troops in exchange for immunity from international law. The said minister has been sent to Ivoj Nob for immediate interrogation and the deal offered was rejected most sternly. Syawlan Regional Embassy |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jun 14 2005, 07:59 PM Post #61 |
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The top brass of Al Qaeda, such as bin Laden, are bogeymen promoted by Homeland Security to scare the Ameriacn public and justify the Patriot Act and giving bad contracts to Halliburton for the War on Terrorism. Bin Laden doesn't have much to do with operations anymore, and Al Qaeda is a highly decentralized organization that do most of their work in other countries. In real life I think Afghanistan is a quagmire that will never be resolved, not a bloody quagmire like Vietnam but a damn expensive quagmire. In RP, however, I know exactly how to deal with the terrorists in the caves - pull out American grunts, use bombs to destroy Kabul, Qandahar, all the big cities in the area, use poison gas on the people and agriculture, resulting in the demoralization and destruction of the Taliban's resources and support without a single American soldier on Afghan soil.
The role of ground maneuvers planning is diminishing when the pure firepower increases. Many people would dispute that Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden were "intelligent" or necessary military operations. But in each instance the enemy was in fact weakened, though I would not dispute that the moral cost was too great. In a roleplayed war, however, there is nothing wrong with causing 1,000 Dresdens. There is little intelligence or discretion in such indiscriminate firepower, so it isn't "theoretical" that annihilating the enemy's land and civilians is effective... this historical evidence shows that wanton destruction works, and with today's firepower, the destruction can be brought to unprecedneted effectiveness.
There's different kinds of intelligence, and all things point to the meaning of intelligence in NS as "book smarts." I gutted Antebellum South's education in the issues by shooting artists, banning Harry Potter books, burning books and art, and forcing scholars out of the country. I spend enough on military preparation and armaments. Nazi Germany, Vietnam, Soviet Union, and Communist China did the same type of anti-intellectual things but their armies did fine (German army was fine for a while at least, and China's wars against India and against the Americans in Korea are considered masterpieces of foreign policy, although China got its ass kicked by Vietnam, '79). I'll spend the money training someone in my country to learn how to program a cruise missile, although if he wants to go look at a Picasso, I won't let him. Furthermore, guerilla soldiers, who are mostly civilians who take to arms during an invasion of the homeland, do not need any intellectual depth whatsoever; all they need is a family and country to die for. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jun 14 2005, 08:01 PM Post #62 |
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from regional mesage board
The northern front with Syawla was not going well for the South Africans; SA High Command figured that the Syawla, racked by internal disputes, would be slow to mobilize, and therefore allocated the best units and almost all air resources to fighting the Neo-Macedonian and Malagassian fronts. Given the Syawlan government's recent instability, the rapidity of Syawla's mobilization and offensive into Transvaal came as a tremendous surprise to analysts everwhere. The South African conscripts hastily thrown against the Syawlans could do little as the enormous Syawlan military, now reinforced by Camizuans, made its way through the lush valleys of Drakensburg. Enormous plantations in this breadbasket region of southern Africa were ransacked by the invading forces; Black laborers rose up to join the invaders and seized property owned by White aristocrats who fled south. About 50 miles north of Pretoria, the Syawlan troops broke the main South African line after about three weeks of intense, non-stop, round-the-clock fighting. Scattered South African units, which reported casualties of more than two million in the past month on the northern front, retreated in haphazard lines back to more defensible positions in the hills around Pretoria. Hearing news of the Syawlan breakthrough sent a wave of panic and joy through the South African capiatl, depending on who you asked. Black civilians in the city immediately started rebelling and attacked Whites, while White civilians both in the city and throughout the countryside of southern Transvaal, fearful of reprisal by the Blacks, took up arms as guerilla fighters. The South African government, meanwhile, quietly evacuated to Johannesburg about 50 miles south. Pretoria was not abandoned, however; 20 divisions from other fronts have been diverted and en route to the fighting in Pretoria, where the Syawlans reached the sprawling city's suburbs and were engaged in fierce street warfare with Black guerillas against South African army units and White guerillas. --- In the hinterlands of South African-occupied Neo-Macedonia and Orange Free State, soldiers from Ruanda-Burundi and others from the coalition battled with South African units in the wide savannahs and deserts. UN coalition forces liberated several prison camps for political prisoners and Blacks that the South African state simply didn't want to deal with, such as HIV patients and orphans. South African HIV/AIDS policy, in the past condemned as a "genocide" because of the way it cares for White HIV patients but neglects Blacks, was lay bare for all to see in these camps, which Amnesty International called a "second holocaust." |
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| Comrade Queen | Jun 14 2005, 08:34 PM Post #63 |
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While the status of Yshurak's involvement in the conflict was still being decided by the European Peace Council, it's military was still mobilizing its raids against South Africa. When the African allied states stormed Pretoria, Yshurak changed its focus and began battering the South African coastline with its naval artillery and bombing raids. Several amphibious landings were made on the coast, sending in hundreds of thousands of Yshurakan troops. Their objective was to seize the coast to fully cut South Africa from international trade by sea. Guns, rockets, and mortars blazed across the coast as Yshurak's forces marched through. |
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| Menhad | Jun 14 2005, 10:08 PM Post #64 |
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Though Flak fire and AA guns the planes drop on a city 10,000 men and there are many acts of herosim on both side the city begins to be taken from the south africain defenders |
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| Patrua | Jun 15 2005, 07:29 AM Post #65 |
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That only makes sense on the premisse that only the Americans would use these kind of weapons. However, if the Taliban and Al-Qaeda would also, then the advantage is lost. I mean getting the Twin Towers down is one thing, if they'd taken a load of ricine with it (even a handful), the results would have been quite different.
The Serbians did quite well under the NATO bombardments. Using intelligence, they lured bombers into bombing mock target and NATO eventually ran out of targets. You can't win a war with bombs alone.
There's different kinds of military per capita configurations too. Maybe your army is large enough but hopeless in a war.
Their education funds allocation (that's also an issue in NS) was quite high. The nazis didn't use jet planes first, or rockets and the Soviet Union didn't go into space as the very first country on Earth (with military applications running forth from that) because they only raised soldiers.
Yep, but guerrilla soldiers ain't gonna pilot your F-16s, B-52's or Aircraft Carriers. |
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| Syawla | Jun 15 2005, 08:33 AM Post #66 |
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War Report from the Ruling Council of Syawla: Our troops are progressing through Pretoria which the South African government has now abandoned and are now only 10 km from the closed parliament building and Presidential palace, former centers for South African government. Despite the efforts of a small minority of the white civillians, the assault on the capital has gained increasing momentum since the arrival of General Lee, who's success has earned him many plaudits back home. The war effort has however severely stretched the Syawlan economy to breaking point as a result of the loss of many of the labour force due to our necessary programme of conscription. The Syawlan people's contribution to this war effort will not be allowed to be forgotten by the region. |
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| Xeres and Catalonia | Jun 15 2005, 02:05 PM Post #67 |
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HEADLINE: Siege Broken - NeoMacadonian Capital Free as Michael Jackson I a manouver known as "The Swinging Door" the forces of South Africa were trapped between the Armored X&C line, and the Infantry Line and squeezed like a lemon, abandoning the siege. The troups of the white aparthed government quickly retreated south, to the hills, where naval and bombardments and missle fire forced them back even further. X&C losses were moderate, as were South African, since the actual Swinging Door manouver, not used since the Battle of Gettysburg during the American Civil War, came as such a surprise. X&C troups are resting, and restoring the city's defenses, before they will begin to chase down the enemy army and force it south. |
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| NRE | Jun 15 2005, 09:11 PM Post #68 |
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News from the War torn city of Acropolis, the capital of Neo-Macedonia: As many of the citizen begin leaving the many bomb shelters setup throughout the city, the begin to help in the effort to restore many of the damaged city defenses along side the X&C troops as well as the other coalition forces station within the city. Prince Alexander has personally taken command of this reconstruction effort and has inspired the citizens to work hard. In a related story, for their valiant efforts in reaching the capital of South Africa, Prince Alexander has handed over financial assets which he had in place within NeoRoman banks to the Syawlan government. The Prince is reported as saying that "the assets amount to about 50 million, I know it is not much in the scale of all that has been done by The Syawlan troops, but I feel for their efforts in fighting their way to the capital, I felt it necessary to show our appreciation. I am already making deals with my brother in borrowing more money from NeoRome to show my appreciation to all the nations involved, as well as enough to put my nation back on it's feet." |
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| Syawla | Jun 16 2005, 04:28 AM Post #69 |
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The Syawlan government is grateful to the Neo-Macedonian government for tis gesture, but cannot accept the financial assets being offered. Our government is eager for such money to be spent on the reconstruction of Neo-Macedonia. Our compensation will come from the protagonist in this war, not the victims of ruthless imperialism. |
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| NRE | Jun 16 2005, 11:22 AM Post #70 |
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The Neo-Macedonian government completely understands. The Prince made the offer, because it was he who sent out the SOS for help from other nations, and feels somewhat responsible for any loses the nations have this is why he made the offer. As we speak the assets are being redirect to Neo-Macedonia banks in the capital city. Once the war is completely out of the nation, and it's borders are once again re-secured, the Prince is planning to personally assess damages and begin reconstruction |
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| Syawla | Jun 16 2005, 02:17 PM Post #71 |
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It is a demonstration of the kindness and infallable nature of the Neo-Macedonian people in this conflict that such a gesture has been made. South Africa will never again be allowed to threaten the peace of its neighbours and the region as a whole. Our progress into Pretoria received a minor setback today as our troops were held back some 8km away from the Parliament house by a concerted counter-attack by elite South African forces, recalled from the Neo-Macedonian front to prop up the last remnants of the despicable regime. Despite the fact that the attack was thwarted and only briefly robbed us of a few square kilometres of urbanised territory which was sooin retaken, several hundred casualties in our allied forces were reported with a small minority of this number being killed. General Lee has urged caution to his troops and promised the bereft family members of Syawla revenge. Syawlan Regional Embassy |
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| Comrade Queen | Jun 16 2005, 09:00 PM Post #72 |
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Yshurakan forces announce the successful seizure of the southeastern shoreline of South Africa. The cities have been captured with minimal casualties numbering under 300 soldiers. Freight ships that have still been trading with South Africa have instead benefitted the Yshurakan troops. Yshurak will continue to hold the coast and make no further movement until its presence in the South African conflict has been fully decided by the European Peace Council. |
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| NRE | Jun 20 2005, 07:59 PM Post #73 |
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News from the War torn city of Acropolis: Though the city is no where near being back to normal, a weary claim has descended upon the city. Most if not all the fighting has left the capital and surrounding villages and for now seems to be occupied at the border and in South Africa herself. Prince Alexander is still working closely with the coalition forces still in the city, in a continuing effort to reinforce city defense in the event South Africa pushes to her gates again, though reports seem to indicate that the odds of such an event aren't likely. Medical relief has also been setup all over the city. Once grand government building are now crumbling hospitals. All wounded are being rushed to the city, and more aid is said to be on the way. What barges that are left in the harbor have also been transformed into hospital facilities. The Prince says that he has done all he can at the moment for his grand capital and now he awaits for the peace conference in Manchuria. |
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| Xeres and Catalonia | Jun 20 2005, 09:37 PM Post #74 |
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X&C armored and infantry marines have begun chasing the retreating siege forces of South Africa into their homeland, forcing them into a squeeze between X&C advances and the waiting Syawla army. SA troops are forced to decide which army to surrender to, but the retreating army is surrendering faster than Formula One drivers with Michieln Tires!! The end is near. |
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| Malagassia | Jun 21 2005, 04:27 AM Post #75 |
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Following the hesitations already put forward by Ruanda-Urundi, the UN coalition will continue its advance until a formal cease-fire is called by South Africa. There are several reasons why. Fistly, we have reason to believe that this intermediating will not keep them from launching a counter-offensive whenever they can, or entrench themselves during it. Secondly, their criminal regime will either use the break to deal with rebel organisations, regroup making their effort not sincere. Thirdly, they will continue the appalling treatment of blacks which needs to be ended as soon as possible. In other words, we will send a UN delegation to the talks but that does not mean that we will not continue the fight for as long South Africa doesn't surrender. During the past weekend, considerable gains were made in the south of the country, although fighting in Pretoria was rough and has not yielded big gains. The UN troops have managed to press through to the two-mile-radius of the presidential palace. -OOC- Nice idea, Royal Ethiopia. A Leopold is more thrilling than an archaeological campaign, eh? |
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11:33 AM Jul 13