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Saxe-Coburgian Claims; These Lands are Rightfully Ours!
Topic Started: Apr 20 2005, 09:33 PM (1,626 Views)
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"Your country is already large enough as it is! You do not deserve, or need the Saxon-States. The Hannoverian States yuo do deserve, but that is all"!
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Saxe-Coburg deserves both the Saxon and Hannoverian states. We shall have both the Saxon and Hannoverian states. They are historical lands of Saxe-Coburg, and shall both become part of our nation. They were ours. They are ours. They shall be ours in the future.

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We are recieving reports that violence has erupted in the Hannoverian and Saxon states that are claimed by Saxe-Coburg. Though the neo-Nazi regimes in place in these states have been deposed, terrorist cells comprising the former regimes have sprung up in the states and are attacking the Saxe-Coburgian occupation forces and citizens of the regions that are loyal to Saxe-Coburg. So far 3 Saxe-Coburgian soldiers were killed when a car bomb went off in in Münster (in the disputed Hannoverian states), and 5 civilians were killed when a bomb went off in Görlitz(in the disputed Saxon states). The Separatist terrorist organization called Neuegestapo claimed responsibility for the attacks. Prime Minister Sievers released this statement: "We cannot allow these terroriststs to kill innocent civilians. We shall send more troops to stop the violence of these evil Nazi sympathizers. The first and most important right of the citizens of Saxe-Coburg is the right to a nation free of domestic violence. These terrorists must be stopped."
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Apr 23 2005, 01:17 PM
Saxe-Coburg would like to re-state its offer for comprimise: If Prussia drops all claims to Saxony and Bohemia, then Saxe-Coburg would be willing to negotiate the annexation, by Prussia, of Silesia or perhaps parts of the Baltic countries.

"I have decided, in my most gracious wisdom, to accede to your requests. We will allow the annexation of Saxony and three-quarters of Bohemia by Saxe-Coburg. In return, Silesia, the Baltic States, and the remaining quarter of Bohemia will fall under my control."
-Neu Kaiser Gustavus Adolphus
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Apr 23 2005, 08:45 PM
Wadj
Apr 23 2005, 01:17 PM
Saxe-Coburg would like to re-state its offer for comprimise: If Prussia drops all claims to Saxony and Bohemia, then Saxe-Coburg would be willing to negotiate the annexation, by Prussia, of Silesia or perhaps parts of the Baltic countries.

"I have decided, in my most gracious wisdom, to accede to your requests. We will allow the annexation of Saxony and three-quarters of Bohemia by Saxe-Coburg. In return, Silesia, the Baltic States, and the remaining quarter of Bohemia will fall under my control."
-Neu Kaiser Gustavus Adolphus

Camizu and Saxe-Coburg have made agreement that neither of those two countries will annex Bohemia. If the Prussian Empire seeks to annex Bohemia, Dr. Camizu will not react kindly.
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Saxe-Coburg is willing to accept these terms. Must Prussia annex all of the Baltic states, or is it willing to negotiate on that particular part of the deal?
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Apr 24 2005, 01:40 PM
Saxe-Coburg is willing to accept these terms. Must Prussia annex all of the Baltic states, or is it willing to negotiate on that particular part of the deal?

Have you gone back on our deal concerning Bohemia? Prussia's offer to you involves a partitioning of Bohemia between the two of you.
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((OOC: Like I said, I tried to base Prime Minister Sievers off of Bismarck. I Don't go in for that whole morality thing.))
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Apr 24 2005, 01:51 PM
((OOC: Like I said, I tried to base Prime Minister Sievers off of Bismarck. I Don't go in for that whole morality thing.))

Your loss.


Dr. Camizu condemns Saxe-Coburg. Dr. Camizu holds Saxe-Coburg up to all people as a breaker of treaties and a violater of laws. Dr. Camizu urges Prussia to make no deals with Saxe-Coburg, because Saxe-Coburg honors no deals and will betray them at the first oppurtunity.

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Furthermore, Dr. Camizu points out that Saxe-Coburg's deceitfulness and dishonesty is an insult to the Protestant morality that makes the Prussian Empire great! It would be in Prussia's best interests not to surrender their claims to a man as wicked and evil as Prime Ministser Sievers. We have even heard that Sievers has comitted murders of political opponents.
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If Dr. Camizu attempts to besmirch Saxe-Coburg's good name once more, he may face a war. Remember, Saxe-Coburg never agreed to drop all claims to Bohemia. We only put it foreward that we did not wish to own Bohemia at that time. We never claimed that we would never have any claims on Bohemia. Saxe-Coburg is not breaking any treaties with this action. We are perfectly within our rights. Dr. Camizu is spreading hateful and unfair lies about Saxe-Coburg. He is obviously trying to create tension in the region for his own unscruitable purposes. This is libel, good sir, and we shall not stand for it!
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Apr 24 2005, 04:04 PM
If Dr. Camizu attempts to besmirch Saxe-Coburg's good name once more, he may face a war. Remember, Saxe-Coburg never agreed to drop all claims to Bohemia. We only put it foreward that we did not wish to own Bohemia at that time. We never claimed that we would never have any claims on Bohemia. Saxe-Coburg is not breaking any treaties with this action. We are perfectly within our rights. Dr. Camizu is spreading hateful and unfair lies about Saxe-Coburg. He is obviously trying to create tension in the region for his own unscruitable purposes. This is libel, good sir, and we shall not stand for it!

No, he is defending his people.

The only one who is acting hatefully or unfairly is PM Sievers. All tension in the region has been caused by one event: Saxe-Coburg's first statement of territorial claims to surrounding areas. Saxe-Coburg continues go manipulate and scheme in order to hurt others. Dr. Camizu sees through this.
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Aha! But Saxe-Coburg never signed any agreement to drop claims to Bohemia. Camizu has, however, signed a document dropping all claims to Bohemia, and therefore has no interest in the matter.
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Apr 24 2005, 05:09 PM
Aha! But Saxe-Coburg never signed any agreement to drop claims to Bohemia. Camizu has, however, signed a document dropping all claims to Bohemia, and therefore has no interest in the matter.

I suggest reading the whole thing again:


"Dr. Camizu is willing to drop claims under the following conditions:

1) While Bohemians will remain free of Camizuan or Saxe-Coburgian rule, they will enjoy honorary Camizuan citizenship, and the right to return unimpaired to Camizu should they so choose, and all the benefits of Camizuan citizenship.
2) Saxe-Coburg will provide Camizu with extraterritoriality rights: all Camizuan citizens in Saxe-Coburg have the right to be tried for crimes or punished in any way by Camizuan authorities, not Saxe-Coburgian ones. This also applies to Bohemian citizens of Camizu.

Saxe-Coburg is willing to accept your terms, with a few provisions:

1. A Saxe-Coburgian representative may be sent to the trials, and may testify in them.

2. Murders that have taken place within Saxe-Coburg shall be prosecuted in Saxe-Coburg. "



The first clause states that Bohemians will be free of both Camizuan and Saxe-Coburgian rule. Furthermore, all Bohemians have Camizuan citizenship by agreement, so Dr. Camizu will automatically become an interested party. Prime Minister Sievers is acting rashly.
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After having to put down a rebellion in Northern Camizu, Dr. Camizu has decided he will stay out of European affairs for now.

He will not protest any action in Bohemia at the moment, but asks any power that annexs that land to treat the Camizuans of Bohemia with dignity and respect.
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Well, what do you know. Saxe-Coburg drops all claims to Bohemia, and wishes to discuss a comprimise with Prussia about the abandonment of their claims.
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Apr 24 2005, 07:19 PM
Well, what do you know. Saxe-Coburg drops all claims to Bohemia, and wishes to discuss a comprimise with Prussia about the abandonment of their claims.

Excellent! Glad that this is settled...

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Don't think the Doctor won't be keeping informed!
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I may be basing my nation on Bismarckian politics, but I will admit when I am wrong.
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Apr 24 2005, 09:51 PM
I may be basing my nation on Bismarckian politics, but I will admit when I am wrong.

I believe you, but the Doctor is extremely paranoid!
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As is Prime Minister Sievers. We are in a mini-Cold War!
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Apr 24 2005, 10:01 PM
As is Prime Minister Sievers. We are in a mini-Cold War!

Lol, thats hilarious!
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Saxe-Coburg has officially annexed its claims in Saxony and Hannover. We now consider them to be part of Saxe-Coburg. We have annexed them into our states of Saxony and the Hannoverian claims have been formed into a new state called Süd Hannover. All residents of the areas are now full citizens of Saxe-Coburg. These states are no officially ours.
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Apr 25 2005, 08:04 PM
Saxe-Coburg has officially annexed its claims in Saxony and Hannover. We now consider them to be part of Saxe-Coburg. We have annexed them into our states of Saxony and the Hannoverian claims have been formed into a new state called Süd Hannover. All residents of the areas are now full citizens of Saxe-Coburg. These states are no officially ours.

"I hereby demand that the territories granted to us be officially recognized as part of the Holy Prussian Empire immediately."

Neu Kaiser Gustavus Adolphus
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Saxe-Coburg will officially recognize the annexation of the rest of Lithuania and all of Silesia by Prussia.
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Actually, since Silesia is part of Poland and its Territories, Saxe-Coburg cannot recognize Prussia's claims there. We will, however, recognize Prussian annexation of Lithuania.

((OOC: I think that we should drop any territorial claims if they conflict with the creation of new nations on the map.))
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Apr 25 2005, 11:50 PM
Actually, since Silesia is part of Poland and its Territories, Saxe-Coburg cannot recognize Prussia's claims there. We will, however, recognize Prussian annexation of Lithuania.

((OOC: I think that we should drop any territorial claims if they conflict with the creation of new nations on the map.))

I love how Bohemia is like a hole in the center of the map. Its more trouble than its worth! If a new nation wanted to be situated in Bohemia, though, I would not protest.
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there might be someone at my school who wants to be Bohemia. He was born in the Czech republic, so it is an area he would be interested in.
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