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Saxe-Coburgian Claims; These Lands are Rightfully Ours!
Topic Started: Apr 20 2005, 09:33 PM (1,629 Views)
Rhadamanthus
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What religion is Camizu?


The nation? Secular, with large concentrations of Muslims, Catholics, and African indigenous religion. The Catholics are split in half: Roman Catholics and African National Church. There is a small but growing Protestant population due to missionary activity.

The leader? None. Maybe evil, if that counts.



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Our grouop has voted, and the outcome was 3-2 in favor of not supporting Dr.Camizu in taking control of Bohemia. Now, maybe we can discuss the Honnoverian States becoming part of The Dominion of Elyk the Small...


Dr. Camizu never forgets traitors.



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We would allow the expansion of Elyk, but not to the Hannoverian states. These are ours by right! You may expand into Germany, but Saxe-Coburg reserves its rights to the Hannoverian and Saxon states.


Dr. Camizu laughs as the imperialists fight amongst themselves.



Egyria
 
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Should we leave room for other German states? Also, what about the rest of Europe?


Okraina has imperial ambitions in the long term, but are content for now. They have no rivals for most of the area north and east of them, so they are in no hurry for that part of Europe.



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Elyk the small is interested in your bargian. Also, we would really hate to see the European Continent be split up because of Dr.Camizu's wishes of conquor. As long as the Camizuans will stop trying to invade our borders, we wil try and help solve this issue.


Dr. Camizu is offended by Elyk the Traitor's lies about him. Dr. Camizu never threatened tor tried to invade anybody's borders, let along Elyk's. The Doctor has only wished to unite his people, who were unjustly persecuted by European imperialist empires!
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We are not traitors. We had a vote, and it came out in favor of not supporting your taking of Bohemia.
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But Doctor Camizu is being just as Imperialist as Saxe-Coburg! Bah!
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And your Camizuans are not fleeing to our borders, but the ones that belong to Bohemia, NOT under your control are!
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Apr 21 2005, 05:58 PM
And your Camizuans are not fleeing to our borders, but the ones that belong to Bohemia, NOT under your control are!

And if Bohemia was united with its motherland again, they would not flee! Your nation's borders would be secure! Camizu and Elyk have the same interest, a prosperous Bohemia! Let the Camizuans of Bohemia join their motherland!
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Apr 21 2005, 02:46 PM
The Socialist Sheikdom of Egyria
Apr 21 2005, 04:42 PM
"If God wished for us to do so, we would be the rightful rulers of the Rhineland.  But I do believe God has other plans, and so I propose a conference to be held on the division of the Rhineland."
-Neu Kaiser Gustavus Adolphus

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Should we leave room for other German states?  Also, what about the rest of Europe?

I think that we should leave room for more German states. The only German Expansion that I want to do is in these two relatively small regions. I think that we should save some areas for new nations though. As for the rest of Europe, we'll just fill it in as more nations arrive.

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I came up with this map to show areas that we CAN expand into (light green), and areas that we CAN'T (light red).

Note that this does NOT mean new nations can appear in the red areas, of course. This is simply a series of "rules" for the German states, Elyk, and Okraina
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Prime Minister Sievers Released this Statement:
"Camizu shall NOT have Bohemia! Take back your revisionist history, and your outrageous claims, and go back to being a tin-pot Dictator in Africa!"
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Elyk the small released this statement...

"If the only reason Dr.Camizu wishes to have Bohemia is to reunite his people, I say there is no problem in that. Think how everyone in that country feels, not getting to interact with others in there own homeland. Please reconsider Prime Minister Sievers"
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Apr 21 2005, 06:04 PM
Wadj
Apr 21 2005, 02:46 PM
The Socialist Sheikdom of Egyria
Apr 21 2005, 04:42 PM
"If God wished for us to do so, we would be the rightful rulers of the Rhineland.  But I do believe God has other plans, and so I propose a conference to be held on the division of the Rhineland."
-Neu Kaiser Gustavus Adolphus

OOC:

Should we leave room for other German states?  Also, what about the rest of Europe?

I think that we should leave room for more German states. The only German Expansion that I want to do is in these two relatively small regions. I think that we should save some areas for new nations though. As for the rest of Europe, we'll just fill it in as more nations arrive.

OOC:

I came up with this map to show areas that we CAN expand into (light green), and areas that we CAN'T (light red).

Note that this does NOT mean new nations can appear in the red areas, of course. This is simply a series of "rules" for the German states, Elyk, and Okraina

Problem:
Bohemia is Camizuan land. How can it be annexed by Europeans?

Also, Okraina plans to expand north instead of south, would that be ok. Also that will be in the future when our population is much bigger, so you need not worry about that now.
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Apr 21 2005, 06:08 PM
Elyk the small released this statement...

"If the only reason Dr.Camizu wishes to have Bohemia is to reunite his people, I say there is no problem in that. Think how everyone in that country feels, not getting to interact with others in there own homeland. Please reconsider Prime Minister Sievers"

Dr. Camizu thanks Elyk the Small for seeing the justice of his plea.
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The map is fine, and Prime Minister Sievers, I would like to point out that our Dominion is the smallest in the Continent. We plan on expanding into the area just North-East of where we are nowwithin the next 2 days.
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Your expansion will be fine. The map seems fair, but is Saxe-Coburg's northern claim on it?
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Wadj
Apr 21 2005, 06:05 PM
Prime Minister Sievers Released this Statement:
"Camizu shall NOT have Bohemia! Take back your revisionist history, and your outrageous claims, and go back to being a tin-pot Dictator in Africa!"

"Go back to your sham democracy in Europe! Stay out of African affairs. Bohemia has always been Camizuan, and no amount of lies can change that!"

-Dr. Camizu
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Prime Minister Sievers fails to see how his Democracy is a sham.
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Because he is currently expanding using heredary claims of the monarch.
Real Life Example: Can you imagine if Britain claimed Canada, based on Queen Elizabeth II's title as Queen of Canada. Wouldn't that seem fishy? Dr. Camizu doesn't trust your antidemocratic heredary tyrant government.
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Elyk the Small just wants peace in Europe
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Apr 21 2005, 07:56 PM
Elyk the Small just wants peace in Europe

How can there be peace in Europe when the poor Camizuans of Bohemia are being oppressed every day?
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This is true. Just declare war on Saxe-coburg if you really want Bohemia to join Camizu. That should be enough.
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Apr 21 2005, 08:20 PM
This is true. Just declare war on Saxe-coburg if you really want Bohemia to join Camizu. That should be enough.

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Well, I'm mostly just messing with him. I don't expect anything will ever come out of this, but it sure is fun!

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Dr. Camizu will not declare war. He knows that the Prime Minister of Saxe-Coburg is trying to trick him into declaring war because then Saxe-Coburg will annex Bohemia. Its a vile trick.
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Actually, I've changed my claims. These lands belonged to Saxe-Coburg before German unification, and I am only trying to stage my own mini-reunification of all former Saxe-Coburgian lands. They were taken by neo-Nazi terrorists after the German Civil War. Its more that the lands are rogue provinces than that Prince Fritz has any hereditary claims to the regions.
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Apr 21 2005, 08:43 PM
Actually, I've changed my claims. These lands belonged to Saxe-Coburg before German unification, and I am only trying to stage my own mini-reunification of all former Saxe-Coburgian lands. They were taken by neo-Nazi terrorists after the German Civil War. Its more that the lands are rogue provinces than that Prince Fritz has any hereditary claims to the regions.

I see...

Dr. Camizu has heard disturbing reports that Neo-Nazis have taken over Bohemia and are currently oppressing the Camizuans, the largest ethnic group in Bohemia. He intends to do whatever is necessary to prevent the oppression of his people.
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Flash News conference with Senior Belgium officer...

Elyk the Small has just learned that he has hereditary claims to the small island just north of England, and insists on the region being added to our dominion
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Apr 21 2005, 08:52 PM
Flash News conference with Senior Belgium officer...

Elyk the Small has just learned that he has hereditary hereditary to the small island just north of England, and insists on the region being added to our dominion

Dr. Camizu urges that Elyk be careful. The Saxe-Coburgians will probably try to steal this island.
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We delivered your message and Elyk the Small has listened to your warning, and will take caution. Danke!
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Where exactly is Bohemia anyway?
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