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| Saxe-Coburgian Claims; These Lands are Rightfully Ours! | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 20 2005, 09:33 PM (1,625 Views) | |
| Wadj | Apr 20 2005, 09:33 PM Post #1 |
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Statement Released by Prime Minister Heinrich Sievers: Since the German Civil War of 2005, Germany has been thrown into anarchy. 3 powerful nations have arisen from the ashes of the once-powerful Germany: Saxe-Coburg, Rosenwald, and Prussia. The rest of Germany is a collection of weak states, constantly warring with each other. Many of these states rightfully belong to Saxe-Coburg. We shall bring these under our control. These regions include rogue Hannoverian and Saxon states that legally come under the Jurisdiction of Price Fritz. We shall have what is rightfully ours. The Existing Nations: 5. Saxe-Coburg 10. Rosenwald 11. Prussia The Disputed Territories: a. Hannoverian States b. Saxon States |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 20 2005, 09:48 PM Post #2 |
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How would these territories be taken? Conquest? Plebicite? Some other form of union? What will be state of these lands in the newly combined state? Will this spur the other German powers into claiming territory? Will this become a German landgrab? Will it end with Germany? |
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| Wadj | Apr 20 2005, 09:51 PM Post #3 |
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The nations will be taken by force, as the leaders cannot see that they actually belong to Saxe-Coburg. As for the other things, I have no idea. That's why I started the thread! |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 20 2005, 09:57 PM Post #4 |
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OOC: lol IC: Dr. Camizu, from his desk in the city read the reports of German annexations. Interesting concept, he thought to himself. He wondered, secretly, would anybody challenge him if he made a claim to parts of Bohemia? After all those people are really Camizuans! Grand Duke Vladimir of Kyiv expresses concerns to Prince Fritz about what impact this will have on European balance of power. He has not chosen to support or deny the claims. |
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| Wadj | Apr 20 2005, 09:59 PM Post #5 |
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Dr. Camizu in Bohemia? Indeed. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 20 2005, 10:00 PM Post #6 |
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OOC: I don't actually want to expand Camizu. But he's a tricky kind of guy, and might try to pull something when nobody is looking. If anybody hasn't realized it yet, Dr. Camizu is an extremely shady character. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 20 2005, 10:01 PM Post #7 |
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He's a lot of fun isn't he? Hes probably the most fun character to play that I have! |
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| Wadj | Apr 20 2005, 10:04 PM Post #8 |
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OOCDr. Camizu's so... deliciously Evil! Ha! IC: Prime Minister Sievers respects Grand Duke Vladimir's wish to neither support or deny Saxe-Coburgs claims. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 20 2005, 10:07 PM Post #9 |
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I know. He does everything wrong. Blames everybody else. Has no respect for anybody. In fact, I'm off to the African Continent regional happenings, to try to divert attention from Camizu's false election, by focusing attention on the various countries with NO elections, like Royal Ethiopia!! HAHAHA!! |
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| Rosenwald | Apr 20 2005, 10:08 PM Post #10 |
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Ah! Mein herr Sievers! We of Rosenwald heartily support your actions to reclaim what is yours! The blood of father Germany flows through the veins of the men, women, and kinder of our great nations. The researchers, surveyors, and experts of Rosenwald have deemed the lands that Saxe-Coburg wishes to claim are without consequence or will cause any ill to Rosenwald. Instead, we of Rosenwald welcome this incursion and reclamation of our ancient culture. We will support actions deemed humane and reasonable by our Government, as well as the discretion of Kaiser Karl von Rosenwald-Huhnensturm. Zum Sieg Mein Herr! -The Rosenwald Consulate |
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| Wadj | Apr 20 2005, 10:20 PM Post #11 |
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Prime Minister Sievers has just released this statement: "I would like to extend my greatest thanks to Rosenwald for their support. They are true allies of the great nation of Saxe-Coburg. But I have grave news of other matters. I have just recieved news of the wide-spread anti-semitism in the areas we wish to control. We must move into these territories to protect the Jewish populations from the oppression forced on them by the current governments there. We cannot allow the persecution of Jews in lands that should be ours! We shall bring equality back to these regions." OOC: Just some facts that may be pertinent to this issue: Stats on Saxe-Coburg: Ethnic Groups: German 65%, Czech 20%, Austrian 8%, Polish 7%. Religions: Christian (Protestant) 55%, Jewish 30%, Christian (Catholic) 10%, Other 5%. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 20 2005, 10:23 PM Post #12 |
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Dr. Camizu vehemently opposes anti-semitism. He would like to extend his aid in this matter by helping Saxe-Coburg battle racial and religious persecution. The Doctor's advisors tell him that anti-semitism may be on the rise in Bohemia, and Dr. Camizu feels that it is important for the cause of human rights that Camizu establish order in that region. Dr. Camizu considers himself to among the world's premier humanitarians. OOC: Be careful what you say Saxe-Coburg. Don't give the doctor any ideas! |
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| Wadj | Apr 20 2005, 10:28 PM Post #13 |
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A live statement by Prime Minister Sievers: "Uhhhhh.... while Saxe-Coburg, erm, uh, 'Respects' Dr. Camizu and his, ahem, claims of, ach, umm, Humanitarianism.... Saxe-Coburg does not requre his assistance in Europe, and any meddling in Bohemia will be seen as a hostile act on the part of his nation. We would like to, well, 'thank' him for his interest. Gott in Himmel! I feel so dirty I hate that son of a WHAT? The Camera's still on? Well turn it o--" |
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| Al Araam | Apr 20 2005, 10:28 PM Post #14 |
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Yes, he has a point. Any issue that you cite to move in on these lands could be cited by any other nation. That would defeat the purpose of this whole thread and we don't need any purposeless threads. :lol: Unless it is an issue specific to Saxe-Cobourg, hint hint. |
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| Wadj | Apr 20 2005, 10:30 PM Post #15 |
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I see your point. The main reason S-C is moving into the regions is because they have hereditary claims to them. The anti-semetism thing is only by the way. |
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| Rosenwald | Apr 20 2005, 10:32 PM Post #16 |
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Rosenwald greatly supports your actions. Our government accepted many Jewish immigrants following the German Civil War. We allowed these immigrants to return to their former residences (if possible) and returned confiscated goods to them that have been passed down from Nazi sympathizers. Due to this great surge in our semitic population, we will support any action that is first reviewed and approved by our representatives. If it is accepted by Saxe-Coburg, we would like to provide military policemen to ensure that civil rights from both parties are held intact and that martial law does not take hold. Danke, -Prime Minister Saul R. Kraut. The Ethic and Religious Percentiles of Rosenwald ETHNIC GROUPS: 50% German, 25% Austrian and Prussian, 25% Other RELIGIONS:45% Jewish, 45% Protestant, 10% Catholic and Other |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 20 2005, 10:33 PM Post #17 |
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Dr. Camizu is quite offended by Prime Minister Sievers' denial of his claims. He finds it ironic that a nation that was recently eager to establish itself in Africa is so opposed to an African aiding people in Europe. Nevertheless, the Doctor's offer still stands. Further, Dr. Camizu reiterates that Bohemia is a traditional Camizuan land, which was only taken from the country be imperialist colonialists, and that it is part of his hereditary domains. OCC: I'm loving this. :D |
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| Al Araam | Apr 20 2005, 10:36 PM Post #18 |
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OOC: I was thinking something rather stronger that hereditary claims. IC: "Armenon has not released any statement supporting or refuting Saxe-Cobourg's claims. However Emperor Emmanuele has asked Saxe-Cobourg for more information on the nature of these "hereditary claims" and also why these lands are not currently occupied by Saxe-Cobourg if such are hereditary claims are in effect." |
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| Wadj | Apr 20 2005, 10:38 PM Post #19 |
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OOC: "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for that meddling Dr. Camizu... and his Nation!" Curse you RD! IC: Prime Minister Sievers highly doubts that Bohemia is the homeland of the Camizuans, and appreciates the offer of help, but would like to kindly, but firmly, say that no assistance is needed. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 20 2005, 10:39 PM Post #20 |
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While he was not asked specifically, Dr. Camizu would like to establish his hereditary claims. Bohemia was in ancient times a colony of the what is now Camizu. The people were the same people. Bohemia was part of the original Camizuan state and was taken by European colonialists who have falsifyed history and said that Bohemia was always culturally European. Now that the colonialists are no longer in power, he wishes to reincorporate it and unite his people. Dr. Camizu assures the world that this is the true story, as found in all Camizuan history textbooks. All other versions of history are imperialist falsifications. |
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| Wadj | Apr 20 2005, 10:44 PM Post #21 |
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In the aftermath of the German Civil War, terrorist organizations seized control of territories that were rightfully Saxe-Coburg's. They set up independent fascist regimes even though they were rightly owned by Saxe-Coburg. Now S-C is trying to regain control of what is rightfully theirs. Essentially they are rogue nations, like the Confederate States in the US Civil War or the Free Resplendent Dawn. As for Rosenwald, we would be glad of any assistance that you would provide. |
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| Wadj | Apr 20 2005, 10:47 PM Post #22 |
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Imperialist Falsifications! Bah! This whole Bohemia thing is getting out of hand! If Dr. Camizu makes any attempt to create a colony in Bohemia (Which is not really possible anyway, because Bohemia has no coastline) Saxe-Coburg will see it as an act of War! STAY OUT OF BOHEMIA! OOC: You really are having way too much fun with the Good Doctor. It is amusing, though! :D |
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| Al Araam | Apr 20 2005, 10:49 PM Post #23 |
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OOC: Egyria: Could you possibly provide some background on the German Civil War? It would be very helpful to know a bit about the pre-existing situation. For instance if the area Saxe-Cobourg was trying to claim was originally Germany then how could they have pre-existing claims? |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 20 2005, 10:53 PM Post #24 |
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OOC: Isn't he wonderful! IC: On the one hand Saxe-Coburg laughs at allegations of "imperialist falsification" and on the other hand threatens Camizu with war for the mere act of trying to reunite her ancient colony with the motherland. Dr. Camizu wonders why it is alright for Saxe-Coburg to annex sovereign regions while it is not ok for the Camizuan people of Bohemia to unite with their homeland. Dr. Camizu remarks that perhaps European imperialism is not dead. Furthermore, Dr. Camizu suspects that these threats of war are merely an excuse for the imperialist government of Saxe-Coburg to annex the Camizuan country of Bohemia. [OKRAINA] His Royal Emminence, Vladimir, By the Grace of God Grand Duke of Kyiv and all Okraina, is curious to know how a nation in central Africa can possibly claim to own a land in central Europe! |
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| Rhadamanthus | Apr 20 2005, 10:55 PM Post #25 |
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Its quite simple, actually, Dr. Camizu can explain. The state of Germany was a false state that incorporate stolen domains of several smaller states. These included the state of Saxe-Coburg, though Dr. Camizu makes no claims of that state's original boundaries. It is very common that imperialists take land for very long periods of time, and refuse to return it to its owners. Even today, there are former colonies which are not being surrendered to their rightful owners. Like Bohemia. |
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