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Homosexuality
Topic Started: Mar 24 2005, 11:20 AM (1,759 Views)
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CLEVELAND ROCKS!
Catholic Europe
Jun 7 2006, 06:47 AM
Quaon
Jun 7 2006, 06:41 AM
Catholic Europe
Jun 7 2006, 05:41 AM
Paradise
Jun 6 2006, 10:10 PM
I think CE should be embarassed actually. Have you read some of his old posts? Call that hypocrisy or whatever.

Fuck off you cunt!

Furthermore, you are a homophobic cunt who has no concept or understanding of the challenges and difficulties gay people face in their heads.

Oh, calm down, why don't you?

No.

Come on CE, this is a highly debated topic. Please don't get yourselve kicked off over something that so many people disagree on.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion (at least where I live...), even if you don't agree it doesn't make it wrong.

I sound like a 4th grade teacher trying to explain why one kid thinks santa claus is real and the other doesn't... :lol:
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Catholic Europe
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I'm not bothered about the disagreements. I am bothered by the very personal, spiteful and nasty comment that Paradise made to me.

I am also not alone in saying this - New Harumf and Deniz have both posted their disgust and Nag Ehgoeg is basically doing the same as well. Even Kiensland has sort of said this.

Thus, I will get myself kicked off if need be.
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Paradise
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I'm quite surprised that you took my comment that way actually, I thought you were playing a double game all the time. I'm sorry if it hurted you, this wasn't my intention.

You're right on one thing: I didn't understand the mental difficulties and challenges you were facing, but now seeing your reaction to my comment, I think I got it... I just misinterpreted you.

And you know very well that I am not homophobic.
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Catholic Europe
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What do you mean playing a double game?

And, I don't know if you are homophobic or not. I think you are personally.
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New Harumf
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Paradise, and others. CE was not playing any sort of double game. Neither was I as a teenager that teased, and actually punched, guys who I (Or more likely, my friends) thought were gay. I didn't even know what gay was when I was young, and I can imagine quite easily how confused CE was. I also imagine he had absolutely no one to talk with about gayness who didn't find it morally wrong. Now, I know that I had many people to appologize to when I finally came and admitted to myself I was gay (that is really, really tough, because contrary to what the fundimentalist right says, no one wants to be gay. No one deliberately chooses to be a minority). I'd known since I was eight, but when I finally admitted it, I had lots of wrongs to turn right. None of them, however, was to a straight guy. I, and CE, do not owe any straight person an appology or explaination why we appeared to contridict ourselves, so do not expect one.

You, on the other had, owe CE, me, possibly Nag, and a few others an appology for being an ass, and talking about a subject which you cannot fanthom. Your accusations against CE were, and are, baseless, cruel, and wrong.

P.S. I love the ad for a "Back Razor" at the bottom of this thread!!
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Jun 7 2006, 10:36 AM
You, on the other had, owe CE, me, possibly Nag, and a few others an appology for being an ass, and talking about a subject which you cannot fanthom.  Your accusations against CE were, and are, baseless, cruel, and wrong.

Fanthom means "understand" right?

Let's recapitulate:
- CE started this topic where he told homosexuality was a sin and whatever;
- I argued against him, because I think he was wrong;
- Then I learn one year later from a nameless person that CE is gay.

What do you expect me to think of this double game?

1. Oh, poor CE. He has so many problems and is facing huge difficulties.
OR
2. What an hypocrit.

Of course, I rationally took the choice 2, because it explained well the double game he was playing.

Now accuse me of everything you want, if it happened again I would think exactly the same thing.

I have never been bad against gays. Contrary to you, I have never punched someone because he was gay.

My apologies to everyone concerned. I think I will stop defending gays from now on and let them defend themselves (in political debates at least), so I won't be called an ass again.

P.S.: CE, I'm probably within the few persons actually supporting child adoption for homosexual couples. On all political forums I go, I defend the right to choose and the equality between everyone (gays, ethnic minorities, blacks, ...). You can keep telling everyone I'm homophobic, it won't make it true.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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I'm unlocking this (predictable aren't I) but not because of the pressure that's being put on me to do so.

I'm doing so because there are some kick ass ads on the bottom of these thread pages :P

Ok,

Paradise is not homophobic. Read his earlier posts. His post could be taken as insenstive, however - but it's CE we're talking about here, not some cotten wool cry baby.
CE is was typical repressed teenager. There's no hypocrasy. He said it was a sin. He said that lots of people do other sins - himself included. He also said that gay people shouldn't be percuted. He was just struggling with his feelings and religious beliefs - there's no hypocracy. That said, I can hardly say "poor CE, no-one understands him, he's had a hard life" because he does act in ways that he knows will cause him harm.

Now I know who bumped this, and this person shall also remain nameless.

By now we all know that CE over reacts and acts stupidly sometimes, so can't judge him for that.

Now as for gay parents, there's nothing wrong with a kid being raised by same sex parents. They don't "grow up confused" but rather grow up with a deeper understanding of sexuality. As with all child raisers, things can go wrong no matter who your parents are.

Now I'm relocking this. I don't think there's anything else that can be added that won't start a fight.
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