Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
This forum is used with the NationStates web-game designed and run by Max Barry. While not officially affiliated, this serves as the regional forum for the regions: Middle East, African Continent, American Continent, Asian Continent, and European Continent.

You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and can "read only".

In order to get the most out of these forums, please become a member and read this guide - http://z3.invisionfree.com/nationstates/index.php?showtopic=3060


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Poll Only
Homosexuality
Topic Started: Mar 24 2005, 11:20 AM (1,763 Views)
Laeplaen
Member Avatar
Leder av Sverige
 *  *  *  *  *
We are not passing judgement....

Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible. It is a sin like adultery, lying, stealing, murder, etc.

As a Christian I should not judge these people; however, I should hate sin. I hate the sin/act of what homosexuality is; but, I love the person because they are still created in Gods' image.

In the Biblical story about the adultress to runs to Jesus for forgivness. Christ allows the people to stone her for her sins, on one account. That the men to stone her must be sinless... that is impossible. For we all fall short of the glory of God! No one is sinless.. no matter how many good deeds or acts we have commited we are all sinful and need Christ to wash away our sin. Only with Christ, the son of God Himself, can our sins be washed away.

We are sinful.... to judge a homosexual or to hate the person because of their homosexual acts would be the same as hating someone who is lustfull (check out Matthew chapter 5 for more on that), or hateful etc. All sin is sin! It doesn't matter what kind, it's all bad! All we can do as humans is to ask for forgiveness. Fortunately we have a loving God who cares for His creation. He loved us enough to send His very Son to die for us. To suffer for us so that we may have eternal life!

Well, enough of me preaching.

The moral of what I said = Homosexuality is a sin and is wrong. It defiles Gods creation for man and woman; however, homosexuality is a sin like any other sin. All humans are sinful and need the forgiveness of Christ to be washed clean.
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Laeplaen
Member Avatar
Leder av Sverige
 *  *  *  *  *
Also, earlier Catholic Europe said "homsexuality is not a sin." If it isn't then I have truely mistaken your character...

To say it is not a sin is to say being lustful or hateful is not a sin. Ie just because someone does not commit the sin physical does not mean they have no commited it... For instance adultery. Matthew 5 Chapters 27-28 "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Sin is both in mind and in body.
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Laeplaen
Member Avatar
Leder av Sverige
 *  *  *  *  *
To answer New Harumf

Those acts your listed earlier are sinful..

Masterbation is pure lust, see above entry. Lesbianism is homosexuality which is clearly stated throughout Romans that it is wrong...

The other issues pm me about. If you want scripture references I have at least 1 or more to back each up...
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Comrade Queen
Member Avatar
Comrade Bitchqueen
<_<
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Catholic Europe
Member Avatar
Spammer
TheNeoRomanEmpire
Jun 3 2005, 07:57 PM
Well, personally, I find nothing wrong with homosexuals or bisexual people. I'm not a very religious individual...that might have something to do with it...haven't been in a church for an actually service in a very long time. However my personal views on that, is that you don't have to go to a church to worship. In short however, I don't think it would be our place to judge, nor condemn those who wish to be homosexual or bisexual. I mean ultimately, if you believe in God, you'd believe that it was his place to pass judgment right? So wouldn't that mean that by you, yourself passing judgment onto these people, that you would see yourself an equal to God? just a thought

Well, we are not passing judgement for judgement by God on homosexuality has already been passed. The Church, for example, when condemning homosexuality is merely stating God's judgement according to the Bible.
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Catholic Europe
Member Avatar
Spammer
Laeplaen
Jun 3 2005, 09:22 PM
Also, earlier Catholic Europe said "homsexuality is not a sin." If it isn't then I have truely mistaken your character...

Well, your a bloody evangelical Protestant, so don't even try criticizing me.
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Laeplaen
Member Avatar
Leder av Sverige
 *  *  *  *  *
Do not make personal judgement on my character, do not be a hypocrite.

What does this mean, "a bloody evangelical protestant?" So, loving Gods word, absorbing it, preaching it, and living by it is bad. Wow...
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Catholic Europe
Member Avatar
Spammer
Laeplaen
Jun 4 2005, 08:57 AM
What does this mean, "a bloody evangelical protestant?" So, loving Gods word, absorbing it, preaching it, and living by it is bad. Wow...

No, not at all.....but then you don't live by Gods word.
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Laeplaen
Member Avatar
Leder av Sverige
 *  *  *  *  *
Whatever, I have stated my viewpoint. It is your life Catholic Europe, not mine. If you believe millions of Christ loving protestants are without God that is truely sad.

Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Catholic Europe
Member Avatar
Spammer
Laeplaen
Jun 4 2005, 10:08 AM
Whatever, I have stated my viewpoint. It is your life Catholic Europe, not mine. If you believe millions of Christ loving protestants are without God that is truely sad.

No one is without God. Everyone, regardless of whether they are Catholic, protestant, orthodox, muslim, hindu, sikh, buddhist or jew is with God. If you don't believe that (which some of your number do) then you are the sad one.

But that doesn't mean that they are living to how God wishes them to live. No, it doens't mean that at all.
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Menhad
Member Avatar
ET2(IDW)
I think its just flat out wrong and sure some lesbains may be hot but some man are just nasty looking and acting
we had some Lesbains tenets and going in that house after the left gives me the goose bumps
i also think they were devil worshipers
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Catholic Europe
Member Avatar
Spammer
Menhad
Jun 4 2005, 11:17 AM
I think its just flat out wrong and sure some lesbains may be hot but some man are just nasty looking and acting
we had some Lesbains tenets and going in that house after the left gives me the goose bumps
i also think they were devil followers

Woah.....that's a response and a half!
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Xeres and Catalonia
Unregistered

Catholic Europe
Jun 4 2005, 05:10 AM
TheNeoRomanEmpire
Jun 3 2005, 07:57 PM
Well, personally, I find nothing wrong with homosexuals or bisexual people. I'm not a very religious individual...that might have something to do with it...haven't been in a church for an actually service in a very long time. However my personal views on that, is that you don't have to go to a church to worship. In short however, I don't think it would be our place to judge, nor condemn those who wish to be homosexual or bisexual. I mean ultimately, if you believe in God, you'd believe that it was his place to pass judgment right? So wouldn't that mean that by you, yourself passing judgment onto these people,  that you would see yourself an equal to God? just a thought

Well, we are not passing judgement for judgement by God on homosexuality has already been passed. The Church, for example, when condemning homosexuality is merely stating God's judgement according to the Bible.


Deleted by Catholic Europe for offensive comments.
Goto Top
 
Catholic Europe
Member Avatar
Spammer
That is extremely offensive. :angry:
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Laeplaen
Member Avatar
Leder av Sverige
 *  *  *  *  *
Please, don't make such comments. That, as Catholic Europe, is very very offensive. it should be deleted... that is just aweful.
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Wadj
Member Avatar
The Very Model of a Modern Major General
I've gotta agree with the two resident religious nuts of the forum. I'm practically non-religious, and I still think that this is an offensive comment.
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Catholic Europe
Member Avatar
Spammer
I've deleted it.
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Xeres and Catalonia
Unregistered

Catholic Europe
Jun 16 2005, 03:53 AM
I've deleted it.

OK, moralists strike down free speech again! Are you saying that it is offensive to speculate that God and/or Christ might be Gay? Or is it just that you didn't like the way I said it?? Because if, as it is written, that we are created in God's image, then he must be 10% gay, and I have heard a lot of speculation about Christ being gay, simply because he was 33 and unmarried (and hung around with 12 dudes in robes).
Goto Top
 
Wadj
Member Avatar
The Very Model of a Modern Major General
I'm not speaking for Catholic Europe or Laeplaen with this, but for me it was only the way you said it. I mean, the whole drag queen thing and the 128 inches business was what was offensive to me. You can speculate about God and Jesus being Gay all you want, it was just the way you said it.
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
NRE
Member Avatar
Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman

I have the funny feeling that I've caused a up roar here. I don't know whether I should be proud or sadden....I give it some thought and get back on that later
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Catholic Europe
Member Avatar
Spammer
Xeres and Catalonia
Jun 16 2005, 10:28 AM
Catholic Europe
Jun 16 2005, 03:53 AM
I've deleted it.

OK, moralists strike down free speech again! Are you saying that it is offensive to speculate that God and/or Christ might be Gay? Or is it just that you didn't like the way I said it?? Because if, as it is written, that we are created in God's image, then he must be 10% gay, and I have heard a lot of speculation about Christ being gay, simply because he was 33 and unmarried (and hung around with 12 dudes in robes).

10% of people being gay in this world is highly over estimated, it's more like 1-2%.

And I didn't like the fact that you were saying Jesus was gay or they way in which you said it.
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Laeplaen
Member Avatar
Leder av Sverige
 *  *  *  *  *
Jesus was perfect. Homosexuality is a sin, therefore Christ cannot be gay.
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Xeres and Catalonia
Unregistered

Laeplaen
Jun 16 2005, 02:03 PM
Jesus was perfect. Homosexuality is a sin, therefore Christ cannot be gay.

Matter of opinion there, my friend. I think you must be gay to be perfect! Christ was mortal - this is a very very important tennant of the christian faith, and mortality carries with it sexuality - that's also part of being a mammal!!

Regardless, we who hate religion, or at least organized, preachy, morally dictating, bible thumping, science disbelieving, baby wetting, pool dunking, wine sipping, wafer munching, cross kissing religion just think you guys are all nuts, and still believe in the tales you were told as kids to keep you from stealing cookies.

I am ethical and moral, don't lie, steal or any of that bad stuff. I don't cheat on tests, I give money to the needy and the poor, and I help my neighbors, and I don't believe in the religious mumbo jumbo. If you still think I am an evil and bad person, then so be it - but you are wrong.
Goto Top
 
Catholic Europe
Member Avatar
Spammer
Xeres and Catalonia
Jun 16 2005, 02:16 PM
Regardless, we who hate religion, or at least organized, preachy, morally dictating, bible thumping, science disbelieving, baby wetting, pool dunking, wine sipping, wafer munching, cross kissing religion just think you guys are all nuts, and still believe in the tales you were told as kids to keep you from stealing cookies.

I was not told any of this as a child. The only times I went to Chruch were for my Holy Communion, Confirmation, Weddings and Funerals. My parents never instilled this trong faith in me, infact probably quite the opposite.

And, I doubt Laeplaen is many of those things that you described becasue I believe he is a fundamentalist evangelical Protestant and they don't really do anything other than faint and scream out to the Holy Spirit.
Offline Profile Goto Top
 
Xeres and Catalonia
Unregistered

Catholic Europe
Jun 16 2005, 02:34 PM
Xeres and Catalonia
Jun 16 2005, 02:16 PM
Regardless, we who hate religion, or at least organized, preachy, morally dictating, bible thumping, science disbelieving, baby wetting, pool dunking, wine sipping, wafer munching, cross kissing religion just think you guys are all nuts, and still believe in the tales you were told as kids to keep you from stealing cookies.

I was not told any of this as a child. The only times I went to Chruch were for my Holy Communion, Confirmation, Weddings and Funerals. My parents never instilled this trong faith in me, infact probably quite the opposite.

And, I doubt Laeplaen is many of those things that you described becasue I believe he is a fundamentalist evangelical Protestant and they don't really do anything other than faint and scream out to the Holy Spirit.

I don't see anything all that evangelical in what Laeplaen has said. Typical main-stream protestant stuff. He sounds Lutheran, or maybe Presyterian. I don't see him as a tent hoping, snake-handling, big-hair wearing wacko jacko type at all.
Goto Top
 
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
Free Forums. Reliable service with over 8 years of experience.
Learn More · Sign-up for Free
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Off-Topic · Next Topic »
Poll Only