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Is homosexuality as valid and equal to hetrosexuality?
No - it is not and never will be. 5 (15.6%)
No - but that doesn't mean we should persecute people because of it. 5 (15.6%)
Unsure - does it matter? 1 (3.1%)
Yes - it is equal but different. 10 (31.3%)
Yes - 100% equal, if not better. 11 (34.4%)
Total Votes: 32
Homosexuality
Topic Started: Mar 24 2005, 11:20 AM (1,760 Views)
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So, it's homosexuality this time. What do you think?

I personally think that homosexuality is not equal to hetrosexuality (as I really view children and the whole process etc, as being very sacred indeed). I am also against gay marriage and gay adoption. However, that does not stop me from having gay friends as I do have a couple (and I can tell Nag who they are so that he can verify it for me so you know I'm not lying).
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The Socialist Sheikdom of Egyria
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I realize its nice to debate things, I really do (I do it in a club at school), but do you have to bring up so many right-wing issues?

-Egyria
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Sheik Omar bin Kazali of Egyria
Mar 24 2005, 08:35 PM
I realize its nice to debate things, I really do (I do it in a club at school), but do you have to bring up so many right-wing issues?

-Egyria

Lol, they're not just right-wing issues.....and plus they spark the most controversy.
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Joy. So euthanasia is next, I presume? :rolleyes:

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Nah, don't really like debating that one was thinking perhaps the death penalty as there are some who live under it and some who don't - unlike the previous two topics.

Anyway, glad to see that this poll has shown more of us to be in 'my viewpoint' than the last thread.
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Lots of people have voted but thehave written anything - why?
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Because you'll tell us how we're wrong and evil or something.

-Egyria
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Sheik Omar bin Kazali of Egyria
Mar 26 2005, 03:08 PM
Because you'll tell us how we're wrong and evil or something.

-Egyria

Lol, but it gives you a chance to put forward your argument.
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Mar 24 2005, 11:20 AM
However, that does not stop me from having gay friends as I do have a couple (and I can tell Nag who they are so that he can verify it for me so you know I'm not lying).

Well I'm not sure what you where implying by that... I'm sure it was that I know the same people you do and that I'm active in whole left wing equality things.

I voted on homosexuality being equal but different, now I'm wishing I can change that to better than hetro.

Here is my simple arguement (from a mans POV):

1) Lesbians are Hot

OK it's a fantasy, but it's everyman's fantasy. Lesbians are great for the adult entertainment industry - how can it possibly be bad?

2) Gays are Great

More gay men, less competition for the ladies. Ok so you might get a guy come onto you - it's no worse than having an ugly woman come onto you. I take it as a compliment... unless I have no money, then I take a free drink.

3) Overpopulation

All over the world people are starving to death and living in poverty. Why? Because the West is too greedy to share the worlds wealth. BUT fewer child producing couples means fewer people, which means few people to share the worlds wealth with, meaning a better quality of life for all.

4) Adoption

All over the world there are children being privated of love and attension because they are in instiutional care (orphanages). Put them with a homosexual couple - blam they have a caring home.

5) Damn it I forgot

I have a 5th point... I said it on the main NS forum... give me a minuet... hell to this my girl's online! I'll edit later.

No wait, bisexuality. Don't deny that it would be cool to be attracted to men and women. You'd double the number of potentail partners - thats twice the number of slaps round the face.

****

In case you're wondering I consider myself straight/bi-curious.

:rolleyes:

In case CE is wondering who my girl is ... :P
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Nag Ehgoeg
Mar 28 2005, 06:06 AM
In case you're wondering I consider myself straight/bi-curious.

:rolleyes:

In case CE is wondering who my girl is ... :P

OMG! You said some things there that I would never have thought.....
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Hmm straight and girl? Or girl and bi?

Malkav knows who it is.
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Nag Ehgoeg
Mar 28 2005, 10:27 AM
Hmm straight and girl? Or girl and bi?

Malkav knows who it is.

The latter option....I may have to find Tom at school and ask him who this person is.
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Nag Ehgoeg
Mar 28 2005, 06:06 AM

4) Adoption

All over the world there are children being privated of love and attension because they are in instiutional care (orphanages). Put them with a homosexual couple - blam they have a caring home.

5) Damn it I forgot

I have a 5th point... I said it on the main NS forum... give me a minuet... hell to this my girl's online! I'll edit later.

No wait, bisexuality. Don't deny that it would be cool to be attracted to men and women. You'd double the number of potentail partners - thats twice the number of slaps round the face.

I want to comment on two of your points.

On point 4, it has occured to me that if one thinks about it, homosexual couples could be the biggest friend the pro-life movement has ever had (though it is unlikely that the two are going to work together). I mean you have a whole bunch of people hoping young women put their children up for adoption, and a whole bunch of others who want to adopt. I know it is a simplistic analysis, but I think it deserves some thought.

On point 5, it seems to me that from a purely secular, non-theistic point of view, bisexuality would be an ideal that people would aspire to, rather than being something that is looked down upon.
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Mar 28 2005, 01:21 PM
On point 5, it seems to me that from a purely secular, non-theistic point of view, bisexuality would be an ideal that people would aspire to, rather than being something that is looked down upon.

Exactly I wish I was Bi and always have.
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Mar 28 2005, 01:21 PM
On point 4, it has occured to me that if one thinks about it, homosexual couples could be the biggest friend the pro-life movement has ever had (though it is unlikely that the two are going to work together). I mean you have a whole bunch of people hoping young women put their children up for adoption, and a whole bunch of others who want to adopt. I know it is a simplistic analysis, but I think it deserves some thought.

Lol, that would be very hard to imagine indeed - them two 'groups' working together.

Plus, I think that thepro-life group would rather the child stays with its biological parent/s.
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Well, I don't know about the United Kingdom, but in America, pro-life groups are very pro-adoption. They hope that by promoting adoption they might convince at least a few women to carry their children to term, even if they won't be able to raise the child. Its not seen as a total solution, but something that could surely help reduce abortions and give children loving homes.
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The Resplendent Dawn
Mar 28 2005, 05:44 PM
Well, I don't know about the United Kingdom, but in America, pro-life groups are very pro-adoption. They hope that by promoting adoption they might convince at least a few women to carry their children to term, even if they won't be able to raise the child. Its not seen as a total solution, but something that could surely help reduce abortions and give children loving homes.

To be honest I don't actually know, I was just assuming from a logic point of view which says that most pro-life people are religious and thus would rather adoption did not happen, that the baby stayed with the mother.
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This is getting off-topic as there is already a thread for abortion, but I'll answer one last post. After that we should probably switch to the other thread.

I think that most of the pro-life groups would ideally have all children grow up with their biological mother and father, that isn't always possible or even reasonable. It is better, in their eyes, that a child live with a loving family that for whatever reason has chosen to adopt than for that child to live with a biological mother who resents the child's existence or for the child to be aborted. Thats the perspective, to my knowledge.



edit:

naturally, this whole thing is in reference to women considering abortion. In that context, pro-life groups see adoption as a better alternative.
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Dang! Nag convinved me... Now I wish I was bi. Thanks a lot, Andy :(
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Mar 29 2005, 11:40 AM
Dang! Nag convinved me... Now I wish I was bi. Thanks a lot, Andy :(

LOL! :lol:
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I think you know where I stand on this issue. I like being Gay. I was Bi for a while, but got bored with the games women played, and gave that nonsense up. Now, if any of you reeeeelly want to be Bi, well..........................

I must quote Quinten Crisp here, just for curiousity's sake:

The most noble, moral gay has a lower station in life the then lowliest, most immoral straight.

Many, many gays used to believe this (me among them), but I've got over it - I'm here, I'm queer, and I'm better than you!!
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I am not famaliar with Quinten Crisp. Could you please enlighten me? Thank you!
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A rather famous and flamboyant queen of London for the mid part of the 20th century, character, and author.
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Ah, thank you very much.

I have a question for anybody who is willing to answer, who believes that homosexual sex is immoral. I am not going to comment right now on my own opinions, I just want to hear what others will say.

For those who believe that sexual acts between two members of the same gender are immoral, sinful, etc., do you believe that the same sexual acts (anal, oral, etc.) are wrong when practiced by an opposite sex couple? If this question makes anybody uncomfortable, I apologize.
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I personally am against anal sex full stop, even if it is between a man and a woman (may I refer you to Jamaica where hetrosexual buggery is illegal).
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