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Magic will reach out to Turk again....
Topic Started: Jun 30 2009, 01:16 AM (2,105 Views)
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Jul. 4, 2009 01:10 AM
By the way, we should be a top 3 seed in the East next year you would expect. There is a chance the Raptors could be a bottom 3 playoff team, could we say first round matchup with Hedo, Bosh and the Raptors? How crazy would that be?

I would expect that series to be about as close as the last time we played them in the Playoffs.
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Jul. 4, 2009 02:15 AM
I agree on both counts there Vinnie. After hearing close to $12 million per year, the VC trade looks like a stroke of genius. I'm not sold on letting Gortat walk because of how valuable he could be as a sixth man/starting PF. But yes we would not want to pay Turk that long term of a deal at that price, even if many believe he was the most valuable player to the team. Of course, this all hinges on Nelson coming back to 100% and VC playing at least at the level he did last year for NJ. If those things happen, we should still be in pretty good shape. Losing Lee won't be as big of a deal if JJ finally steps up in a contract year.

All things aside I think we have to bring in Wallace, McDyess, or Gortat (And not in that order). Bringing one of those guys to be the starting PF, makes us just as dangerous as last year. We will be able to play Boston and LA better, but the losing Turk hurts us against Cleveland.

I'm with you, we really need to bring in one of those 3, if Wallace goes elsewhere why not match Gortat's offer? Even if coming off the bench I can see him getting 25 minutes a night playing a little 4 and a little 5 at times. He can be an important part of the team. Wallace is my first choice but if not I'd love for us to go ahead and match Gortat's offer and bring him back.

As far as a series with Toronto in the playoffs, I also agree. Should be the same outcome as last time we faced them in the first round.
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http://magic.realgm.com/articles/74/200907...egret_marriage/

Well that article about sums it up perfectly. It looks like the deal IS for only $52 deal and not the rumored over $60 million deal. He really isn't going to be making all that much more up north. Oh well.
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Jul. 4, 2009 11:46 PM
http://magic.realgm.com/articles/74/200907...egret_marriage/

Well that article about sums it up perfectly. It looks like the deal IS for only $52 deal and not the rumored over $60 million deal. He really isn't going to be making all that much more up north. Oh well.

Good article, and GREAT move by Otis. When it came down to it Turk was going to the highest bidder. Otis knew that and made a deal to make this team better knowing that he probably wasn't going to be able to bring Turk back. Props to Otis.
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The thing that gets me though is that just because the contract is bigger in Toronto, doesn't mean that he's going to be making all that much more money. And like the article said, when you factor in things like merchandise and longer runs in the playoffs, the difference might be nothing. If it were $62 million I would feel a lot different than I do now.
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Jul. 5, 2009 01:51 PM
The thing that gets me though is that just because the contract is bigger in Toronto, doesn't mean that he's going to be making all that much more money. And like the article said, when you factor in things like merchandise and longer runs in the playoffs, the difference might be nothing. If it were $62 million I would feel a lot different than I do now.

Silly in my mind, but whatever, I think Turk made a really bad move.
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So apparently we are getting a trade exception in return forTurk as this will be a sign and trade with the Raptors, not sure what this exactly means for us at this point.
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I think it basically means we have a $10 million TE that we can use to trade for another player without giving anyone up on our roster. It can only be used on a trade and not used to sign someone. It can also be broken up.
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Jul. 9, 2009 12:59 AM
I think it basically means we have a $10 million TE that we can use to trade for another player without giving anyone up on our roster. It can only be used on a trade and not used to sign someone. It can also be broken up.

Well that works, that's something to have just in case.....I think we used some sort of exception to make the VC trade work, I think that's how we got Anderson involved in it or something.
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Bucher just put on his Twitter that we get cash and the $10 million TE

Hopefully some of that cash will be going into Gortat's pocket :)
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Traded Player Exception: If a team trades away a player with a higher salary than the player they acquire in return (we'll call this initial deal "Trade #1"), they receive what is called a Traded Player Exception, also known colloquially as a "Trade Exception". Teams with a trade exception have up to a year in which they can acquire more salary in other trades (Trade #2, #3, etc) than they send away, as long as the gulf in salaries for Trade #2, #3, etc are less than or equal to the difference in salary for Trade #1. This exception is particularly useful when teams trade draft picks straight-up for a player; since draft picks have no salary value, often the only way to get salaries to match is to use a trade exception, which allows trades to be made despite unbalanced salaries. It is also useful to compensate teams for losing free agents as they can do a sign and trade of that free agent to acquire a trade exception that can be used later. Note this exception is for single player trades only, though additional cash and draft picks can be part of the trade.


Very nice indeed, so essentially we can trade someone like JJ who makes peanuts for a guy making way more then he does thanks to the trade exception. Or we can deal a draft pick or two for someone making 10 million next year. We have a year to cash this bad boy in....

I also like your thinking with this cash, we really need to match this Gortat deal. I mean yeah we'll be paying a lot of money for Dwights back up, but we can also play Gortat at the 4 and go big every now and then increasing his role to more then just 'Dwights Backup'
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Okay, I'm intrigued now. Here is a rumor per insidehoops.com

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With the Jazz's efforts to trade Carlos Boozer or Andrei Kirilenko still apparently ongoing, negotiations between the franchise and backup power forward Paul Millsap press on as well. "I know (general manager) Kevin O'Connor is continuing to have dialogue with Paul and Paul's agent," Jazz president Randy Rigby said Tuesday, "and I know we're continuing to express an interest on our part to have Paul a part of our team. "It's then just a matter," Rigby added, "of coming to an agreement." Deseret News


Okay, so the main thing I'm looking at there is that the Jazz would like to trade Boozer.....we have this 10 million dollar exception now. Maybe......just thinking.

It's also no rumor that the Clippers are trying to shed some salary, maybe we can use this exception for a guy like Camby.

Both would fit here very well in the 4 spot we so desperately need to fill.
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Bottom line is, we have 10 million dollars to use. Do something with it Otis.
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I'm very excited about getting the TPE. It opens up a bunch of new doors for us as far as this free agency period goes. Whether we use it now or near the trade deadline remains to be seen.

Personally, I hope we use it before the season starts. I think the economy and the reality of the 2010 market will make teams more tentative than they think the closer that offseason comes. Also, the NBA is a game where team unity matters a lot, so those late trade deadline deals rarely work out for the teams during the season they occur in.

As far as players, I'd love nothing more to see someone like Troy Murphy, Nick Collison or Harrington in a Magic Jersey. David Lee would be good too, but I don't see it happening.
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That's good news - certainly better than letting Turk walk without compensation. The ESPN article I read said the exemption should be worth about 7 million. It would take virtually all of that to bring back Gortat. So, for that kind of money, I'd let Gortat walk. Bring in Bass, bring in Barnes, bring in a cheap back up center, bring in a cheap third point guard, and we're good to go.

Or, make a play at Boozer, and I'll take back all of the things I've said about Otis this summer. If we get Boozer (I know, I know, highly unlikely), then we go from having the fourth best roster to the top roster, in my opinion.
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