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| Tweet Topic Started: May 20 2009, 12:58 PM (1,061 Views) | |
| dxwwf3 | May 25 2009, 06:25 PM Post #16 |
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True. But why is our superstar not getting them? And isn't even close to getting them. Actually our superstar is getting Fran Vasquez calls. |
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| TheFalcon | May 26 2009, 09:18 AM Post #17 |
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Dwight is getting fouled more than anybody on the court. If they foul him everytime he touches the ball, it doesn't really leave any opportunity for questionable calls to go in his favor. |
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| TheFalcon | May 26 2009, 05:27 PM Post #18 |
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/bask...,0,282843.story |
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| dxwwf3 | May 26 2009, 06:23 PM Post #19 |
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Huh? He's fouled out of two games and about half of those fouls were completely phantom. |
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| TheFalcon | May 27 2009, 08:57 AM Post #20 |
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I've never argued that LeBron doesn't get calls - he does, just like Kobe, Wade, Carmello, AI, Billups, and a half a dozen other guards. If there is any contact, and he has any reaction, they will blow the whistle. Frankly, I don't have a problem with that. LeBron has the ball every possession and is extremely aggressive, so naturally there are lots of opportunities for him to be fouled. Aggressive players will always get the benefit of the doubt. That is not, however, the same thing as saying that the refs are conspiring to pick the two teams they want to see in the finals. There is just no evidence for that - and probably more evidence to the contrary. If they wanted a Cavs-Lakers final, and were corrupt enough to try to make it happen, they easily could. But as it stands now, the Lakers are tied 2-2 and the Cavs are down 3-1. No, the officiating hasn't been great - but it never is! We complain about it every time we lose. They've called travels on LeBron in the closing seconds, important players for the Cavs have fouled out with minutes to go, questionable calls have gone our way in the fourth quarter. This series is being officiated just like every NBA series. It's not great, it favors aggressive superstars, but it's far from rigged. |
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| dhoward541524 | May 28 2009, 07:44 AM Post #21 |
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Falcon come onnn. the Lebron is completely different then the other guards. I've watch all the playoff series so far, and not one other superstar gets the calls LeBron does. The NBA is trying to make him something he's not: Micheal Jordan. To tell you the truth, and i might get yelled at for this, I don't think LeBron is better than Kobe or even Dwane Wade. All LeBron does is drives in like a steamboat and "creates contact". I don't think that is that amazing. Watch Wade and Kobe drive and see how creative and athletic they are in the air. I'm not saying LeBron is not a great player. But he is not the best player to play the game but is definately the guy the NBA shows a little more favoritism towards. |
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| TheFalcon | May 28 2009, 08:09 AM Post #22 |
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The reason people say he is better than Jordan, (or Wade or Kobe for that matter) is because he is a virtual lock to get 7 rebounds and 7 assists a game, while being the best defensive player on the floor every night that he isn't playing the Magic. Add that to his 30 points, and there is not a player in the league who affects a game like LeBron. To his credit, he puts himself in situations where he can get fouled. I think we would all probably agree that aggressive players get the benefit of the doubt (i.e., when a player drives to the basket and contact is made, the offensive player almost always gets the call). If Rashard would drive to the basket, he would get a LOT more calls. The fact is, LeBron drives to the basket 20 times a game, which gets the refs blowing calls in his favor. It carries over to other areas of the game. And you don't think LeBron is "creative and athletic in the air," really? Are you watching the same LeBron? |
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| TheFalcon | May 28 2009, 08:23 AM Post #23 |
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Regular Season Free Throw Leaders: Dwight Howard 79 games (2,821 minutes) 849 FTA Dwayne Wade 79 games (3,048 minutes) 771 FTA LeBron James 81 games (3,054 minutes) 762 FTA |
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| blksage2000 | May 28 2009, 12:48 PM Post #24 |
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dwight should be at the line alot more |
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| malars | May 28 2009, 02:38 PM Post #25 |
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And what are the postseason stats? 1. Lebron James - 12 games - 169 FTA (14.08 per game) 2. Kobe Bryant - 17 games - 144 FTA (8.47 per game) 3. Dwight Howard - 16 games - 141 FTA (8.81 per game) 4. Carmelo Anthony - 15 games - 129 FTA (8.60 per game) 5. Chauncey Billups - 15 games - 111 FTA (7.40 per game) |
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| TheFalcon | May 28 2009, 03:52 PM Post #26 |
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And is he not far and away the most aggressive player in the playoffs? And does he not touch the ball far more than anybody else on that list, especially in the playoffs? Dwight has shot 28 less free throws, and gets less than half as many offensive touches. James has the ball every single possession for the Cavs, and he carries all of their offensive burden - way, way more so than anyone else on that list. |
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| malars | May 28 2009, 03:59 PM Post #27 |
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And if by aggressive you mean lowering his shoulder and creating contact knowing he's going to get the benefit of the whistle nearly every time? Sure! The officials have allowed this go on unchecked, so Lebron is doing what any smart player would do and take advantage of the situation presenting itself! That doesn't mean the increase of over 5 1/2 FTA's a game is justified nor is the decrease of Howard's attempts by nearly two attempts per game. Howard is playing just as aggressively as he did for most of the regular season, yet his attempts have gone down. What is the explanation for that? |
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| liltmac572 | May 28 2009, 04:25 PM Post #28 |
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none of this matters after tonight the king has been deethroned..... |
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| blksage2000 | May 28 2009, 04:36 PM Post #29 |
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well said....i totally agree with u....as a matter of fact i was i was arguin the same point at work yesterday |
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| TheFalcon | May 29 2009, 09:23 AM Post #30 |
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Driving in and creating contact has been drawing whistles in the NBA since 1940. LeBron just happens to be the most aggressive (yes, driving into contact) player in the league, and therefore, gets the most calls. LeBron's free throws have gone up because he has taken even more of the offensive load in the playoffs - it's the same reason his scoring in general has gone up. His style of play has changed in the playoffs - Amazing! As for Dwight, a decrease in free throws of less than 2 per game over a relatively small sample of games is a statistical blip. It could be anything. It could be because he has been shooting them well during this series, and the Cavs have been a little more reluctant to foul. It could be because in the first two series, Dwight wasn't shooting them well, and we were more reluctant to go to him in the fourth quarter. That's less than one call a game - trying to find an explanation is pointless. If you take out game 1 of this series, in which Dwight had only 2 FTA (and we won), his attempts per game average goes up. |
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