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Topic Started: Mar 5 2008, 01:19 AM (3,861 Views)
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I'm certainly not a fan of Jameer. If anything, I'm a fan of Dooling. I point out when Jameer has good games (see this thread), and I point out when Arroyo has good games (see the Knicks thread). I believe completely that Arroyo contributes to this team, and I have said numerous times over the last few weeks that I miss the days when all the point guards played.

I still feel that Jameer is our best option for the starting point guard position - but it doesn't mean that I defend him no matter how he plays.
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Arroyo definitely contributes. I consider him an above average back-up PG.

Honestly, I think him and Nelson get too much crap sometimes. No, they aren't great, but at worst, they're decent.
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Nogaro
Mar. 6, 2008 10:31 AM
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Mar. 6, 2008 12:25 AM
Not to debate Nogaro, but just pointing out that looking at Ben's stats (thanks for posting those, by the way), the Magic are 28-18 when Nelson starts.

That means they're winning about 61% of the time when Nelson starts - or 50 games out of 82. So technically, magiclive would be right.

However, as has been pointed out numerous times by many of us here, the clubs record has been more a result of our big 3, rather than who starts at PG.

Mmm....Interesting....

So using your same analogy if the Magics are 12-5 when Arroyo starts (about 71%) then the Magics could've won 58 games this season?!?!?!

C'mon that stat is a joke! :lol:

We all know the BIG THREE are the reason we are shooting (no pun intended) for a 50 W season. Just wanted to point out that Nelson was not responsible for running the point in ALL of those 50 wins....that's all.

Must not have read the first couple words of my post.

I was in no way trying to make Arroyo look bad, nor was I even talking about him. YOU came into the thread and criticized magiclive for claiming Nelson to be the starting PG on a possible 50-win ball club. Well, technically his 28-18 record this season would be 50 wins if projected over an 82-game season. My post had absolutely nothing to do with Arroyo whatsoever - just me pointing something out to a fellow poster.

I even mentioned at the end of my post the same thing you just mentioned in yours...
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for everyone who is saying we are not title contenders because of are gaurds remember we are a better team now then clevand was last year when they made it to the finals so it can happen and if d-12 plays like he is cabable i won't be surprise if we come out of the east
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I personally don't have a favorite player on this team. And I don't have a player that I defend no matter what. I thought Jameer was capable of being the PG for this team for a long time. I believe that I was mistaken. I'm not going to lie to myself, just so I feel better.

The only times I had a favorite player on this team were when Penny and McGrady played for us. That was it. And when McGrady started to demand a trade, I was not happy with him and I didn't support that. When I called you an Arroyo fan, I meant that you care more about him than the team. That may not be true, but you really come off as someone that just cares about Arroyo's stats, than the team actually winning. So I'm not a hypocrite for saying that I don't have a favorite player. I really don't. Dwight is obviously the most important player to this franchise, but I was never a big fan of centers and power forwards. Maybe that will change with Dwight. I don't know.

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Mar. 6, 2008 11:15 AM
for everyone who is saying we are not title contenders because of are gaurds remember we are a better team now then clevand was last year when they made it to the finals so it can happen and if d-12 plays like he is cabable i won't be surprise if we come out of the east

Is it impossible? No. But I would be very very surprised.
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Mar. 6, 2008 10:10 AM
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Mar. 5, 2008 11:39 PM
If we play .500 ball the rest of the way, this team will have 50 wins. Does anyone else remember the all-knowing Brutalfacts who said this team has no chance of being a 50-win team unless they get new PGs? He said as long as Jameer is the starter, we will never be a 50-win team. I agree that Jameer is probably not the long-term answer, but I'm sure Brutal's starting to get the crow out on the dinner table.

We still have 19 games left. So nothing's certain just yet. But this team is capable of winning 50 games and that alone proves the "really smart guy" on this board wrong. There's no reason why we can't win 10 games out of our last 19. Especially since most of them are at home.

Errrmmm.....

Please remeber that 12 of those wins have come with "Mr. Coincidence" as the starting PG not Nelson.

Thank You.

Doesn't matter who was starting. My point is that you don't need a great PG to be a 50-win team. You can have other players that are playmakers (Turk). That was my point.

Have you always just been an Arroyo fan? You're obviously not a Magic fan. You really just care about Arroyo. I like how you ignore all the times we've won without Arroyo and then when we win with him playing, you bring it up. And when we lose without him, you come on here and tell us it's because Arroyo didn't play. Typical bias right there. Get over it. Arroyo is a mediocre PG in this league. Nothing special. If you want to believe he is something great, then go right ahead. You're clearly have a bias toward him. I personally don't care if Arroyo or Nelson starts. I just want to see the Magic win, because I'm an actual Magic fan.

BTW, remember that great win we had in Detroit WITHOUT Arroyo? What happened there? Was that just a fluke?

Why are you attacking me? I AM a fan of Arroyo.....Adamos likes Gortat.....does that makes us "less" fans of the Magic? I only pointed out that out of those 50 wins Arroyo had started on 12 of those? Is that not true?

I've never said that Arroyo deserves ALL the credit or even MUCH of it. It is you guys that have continously written that I think that Arroyo is something that he is not. All I've ever ask for is the notion that he at least contributes.....that's all. If you or anyone on this site refuse to admit that, then I will continue to point it out...simple. Just like TheFalcon is a fan of Jameer (although he won't admit it publicly) and he points out when Jameer plays good.... and when he plays bad then TheFalcon defends him.

I watch the games (even when Arroyo doesn't play) but choose not to participate in the forum unless I feel like Arroyo is being attacked. If that provokes your rage on me then so be it.

BTW, most people in this forum said that the 2nd Detroit win was a fluke NOT me. So ask them.

Finally, all of you throw around being a Magic Fan not a <insert a players name> fan like it's a badge of honor.....that is so hypocritical! Everyone has a player that they like the most....some of you like Dooling, some of you like Jameer, others love JJ, Diener, Howard and/or Turk....even Pat and Gortat have a special part in the hearts of some. Don't preach to me about being a Magic Fan.....at the end of the day we all have a favorite player and have defended him in this forum.

Yeah sure Adamos LIKES Gortat, so do I. But I'm not constantly talking about him and only seem to post just about him. When Arroyo doesn't play, we dont really see you around here. And every one of your posts has Arroyo's name in it. Not that its illegal, but it just gives us all the impression that your just here because of him.

But how can you blame us, its the truth. Sure Arroyo is not a terrible player, and we have a good record with him starting, but the same is said about Jameer. Its just coincidence that we have a good record with either starting right? No. Its because of the big three like you said.

Anyways, dispite all this, I don't care who starts as long as we win. We have 40 wins and thats what counts most.
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Is this a favorite player thread? My pick is Nelson.
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Great win from our boys! Everyone played which is exceptional and everyone stepped up. I really want to see Gortat play in the playoffs. He's proven that he could play even though he gets garbage minutes. I want to see him play 10+ minutes a game at least. Take some of Foyle's minutes. This could be our playoff matchup. Don't think this will happen though because Butler and Arenas will definitely be back by then. I think we can still beat them though.

Are you guys still going on about the whole Nelson/Arroyo thing?? This has got to stop. Nelson and Arroyo are both very streaky PGs that have good and bad nights. I can't believe you keep saying that if Arroyo would start more we would have more wins. This is really getting out of hand.

I think the X-Factors on this team are the SGs. Bogans and Evans will need to play good throughout the playoffs if Turkoglu or Lewis have problems. Their offensive/defensive play will take us a long way in my opinion. Speaking of SGs, I see Redick played. He's alright but I think it's for the best to trade him. I rather have Garrity over him at this point! Yes, I said it.......

Will Gortat play another game? To be continued...........

EDIT: Language - MME
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Eyriq
Mar. 6, 2008 03:47 PM
Is this a favorite player thread? My pick is Nelson.

Seems like it :D

My pick is Dwight. I wish he can play point guard to end all arguments. :lol:

Seriously though, all this debates about who is the better PG is moot. We have 3 backup PG's. If we have a PG combo like Ford and Calderon then that would be a good time to argue who is the better starter.

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I really thought jameer was going to try and have a 20 point game after some early baskets, but to my relief he slowed his role and let the real scorers on this team score. Maybe he is realizing his role finally, I wont hold my breath though. nice blow out win.
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