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Possible Another Big Man for the Magic; Do not have to give nothing to get him
Topic Started: Feb 22 2008, 08:00 PM (2,119 Views)
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Stan may take a gamble on Gortat this season after all.
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Mar. 3, 2008 07:35 PM
Michael can play PF then.
Michael would be available for the Postseason because he wasn't Wavied after the Trade Deadline and Theo was and looks like Detroit is going to get him.
Dale Davis would be good. So would Alan Houston as the SG.
C Howard
PF Michael or Davis or who ever they can sign
SF Lewis
Houston or who ever they can sign
PG Hedo

Did you just say Allan Houston as our starting SG? :X
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This summer is the main reason that Otis did not need to trade for value this past deadline. I posted this over at Bold N Blue but it did not show up and I did not want my creativity to go to waste, so I will recycle it. :D

Two things are going to come into play this summer in a big way; our draft picks and the MLE.

We free up 5 roster spots, of which I think we may only fill two from in house. Those being Dooling at PG and Evans at SG/SF.

Since the Magic will only be around 14 mil or so under the luxury tax, hopefully those two will re-sign for 3-4 mil a year each. I think those prices are reasonable. That will leave us with 7 mil to sign a free agent and our two draft picks (if we don't have two draft picks, then we need to resign Augie).

I say we draft a PG and a PF and use the MLE to sign a SG. If we play it right, this will leave us barely under the luxury tax, and in business to compete for the championship.

As for the starting 5, I think Battie will need to come off the bench, leaving the starting 5 as is, though with an upgrade at the 2. If we start Battie, then Turk and Lewis will slide over, leaving the newbie free agent SG coming off the bench as our sixth man.

As for J.J., he needs to beat out Bogans for a spot in the rotation, and even then he may not get one. This team, at least the one I am envisioning, would be awful deep, with playing time hard to come by.
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This summer is the main reason that Otis did not need to trade for value this past deadline. I posted this over at Bold N Blue but it did not show up and I did not want my creativity to go to waste, so I will recycle it. :D

Two things are going to come into play this summer in a big way; our draft picks and the MLE.

We free up 5 roster spots, of which I think we may only fill two from in house. Those being Dooling at PG and Evans at SG/SF.

Since the Magic will only be around 14 mil or so under the luxury tax, hopefully those two will re-sign for 3-4 mil a year each. I think those prices are reasonable. That will leave us with 7 mil to sign a free agent and our two draft picks (if we don't have two draft picks, then we need to resign Augie).

I say we draft a PG and a PF and use the MLE to sign a SG. If we play it right, this will leave us barely under the luxury tax, and in business to compete for the championship.

As for the starting 5, I think Battie will need to come off the bench, leaving the starting 5 as is, though with an upgrade at the 2. If we start Battie, then Turk and Lewis will slide over, leaving the newbie free agent SG coming off the bench as our sixth man.

As for J.J., he needs to beat out Bogans for a spot in the rotation, and even then he may not get one. This team, at least the one I am envisioning, would be awful deep, with playing time hard to come by.

No it did show up. I just put it so that I approve comments before adding them to the site but I will change that. Your comment is up there now.
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This summer is the main reason that Otis did not need to trade for value this past deadline. I posted this over at Bold N Blue but it did not show up and I did not want my creativity to go to waste, so I will recycle it. :D

Two things are going to come into play this summer in a big way; our draft picks and the MLE.

We free up 5 roster spots, of which I think we may only fill two from in house. Those being Dooling at PG and Evans at SG/SF.

Since the Magic will only be around 14 mil or so under the luxury tax, hopefully those two will re-sign for 3-4 mil a year each. I think those prices are reasonable. That will leave us with 7 mil to sign a free agent and our two draft picks (if we don't have two draft picks, then we need to resign Augie).

I say we draft a PG and a PF and use the MLE to sign a SG. If we play it right, this will leave us barely under the luxury tax, and in business to compete for the championship.

As for the starting 5, I think Battie will need to come off the bench, leaving the starting 5 as is, though with an upgrade at the 2. If we start Battie, then Turk and Lewis will slide over, leaving the newbie free agent SG coming off the bench as our sixth man.

As for J.J., he needs to beat out Bogans for a spot in the rotation, and even then he may not get one. This team, at least the one I am envisioning, would be awful deep, with playing time hard to come by.

I'm not saying I don't like what you're saying, but I would have to disagree. I think we should draft a SG and possibly try to sign a PG or a PF in FA. We need to get one of those types of players that are already established and could start instead of waiting for them to develop. A SG in the draft could develop because Mo Evans is solid and Dooling if resigned can play that position and if we have Bogans or Redick. I think we need to start doing some more trades. Redick needs to be traded if he doesn't start playing.
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Either way we do it though, I think point guard is the most pressing problem. IMO, it goes:

1. PG
2. PF
3. SG

We have viable options at SG so thats why I put it 'last' on the short to-do list. And PF can be Battie and/or Lewis at worst. But PG is where the most problems and inconsistencies lie. This coming draft is not necessarily deep or filled with point guard talent. I think our best bet is to scout hard, and draft a young promising shooting guard. Then in Free Agency use the MLE to get a point guard, hopefully unloading Nelson and hopefully saying bye-bye to Arroyo. I don't dislike Nelson, just his contract. I think he could be a great second option and guard off the bench, just not starting - especially at that price.
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So if I understand you correctly you'd prefer to slide Lewis and Turk down to the 2/3 spots and bring in either a starting PG or PF. That doesn't seem too bad an idea, especially if we can get a guy like Calderon from Toronto or Josh Smith from Atlanta. I'm just betting that Otis is going to keep Jameer as the starter, so the real question is which position, SG or PF, does he go after in FA. Looking at the potential list of free agents, there seems to be more options to pick up at the 2 this summer than at the 4. Also, keeping Turk at his natural position has its benefits as well, as does leaving Lewis at the 4, where he produces mis-matches for most teams.

So, considering how well Lewis is playing at the 4, and the fact that we get Tony back next year and already have Cook locked up for a few more years, I don't see the need to go out and get another PF.
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Can't say I agree with you about Nelson, and on that everything we think about this team’s future diverges. Also, outside of Calderon there are no apparent upgrades at that spot. Your wishes to move him probably aren't real options either, as Otis is not likely to move him nor are there likely many teams that would take him, if your assessment is correct.

On the plus side with Nelson is that he is already a good rebounding guard, and a good leader. He has that intangible quality of being a floor general, which is often overlooked. It is his shooting and proneness to turnovers that hurt him, and at least with turnovers he has improved. His shooting is just inconsistent and will most likely get better. All in all, we could do a lot worse then Jameer. Edit: Ha, I forgot to mention his terrible D! :r
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No, like you said they are not real options or things that I necessarily think will happen. Do I think Otis will realize the obvious void and mistake at PG and fix it? No. But in that order, is what I think is most critical to fix/improve before next season.

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So, considering how well Lewis is playing at the 4, and the fact that we get Tony back next year and already have Cook locked up for a few more years, I don't see the need to go out and get another PF.
Rebounding.
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Are you not accounting for Battie coming back next year? Also, about rebounding, it is really only a weakness on the offensive boards. We do well on the defensive boards, thanks to Dwight. I'm not even sure that is a significant weakness of this team.
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No, no, no. I AM the one who has reminded people about Battie coming back next season and all that. But you talked about having Cook and not knowing why people say we need another big man and im saying rebounds is what we need to improve on. What im saying is either way, Dwight still needs more help in the rebound department, if that Battie next season or not. I mean, he needs help for the remainder of this season, but it doesn't look like he will be getting any.
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So if I understand you correctly you'd prefer to slide Lewis and Turk down to the 2/3 spots and bring in either a starting PG or PF. That doesn't seem too bad an idea, especially if we can get a guy like Calderon from Toronto or Josh Smith from Atlanta. I'm just betting that Otis is going to keep Jameer as the starter, so the real question is which position, SG or PF, does he go after in FA. Looking at the potential list of free agents, there seems to be more options to pick up at the 2 this summer than at the 4. Also, keeping Turk at his natural position has its benefits as well, as does leaving Lewis at the 4, where he produces mis-matches for most teams.

So, considering how well Lewis is playing at the 4, and the fact that we get Tony back next year and already have Cook locked up for a few more years, I don't see the need to go out and get another PF.

I think we could bring in a PF and have Rashard slide back to SF and have Turkoglu come off the bench with either Bogans or Evans starting depending on who is here next season. We WON'T be able to get Calderon or Josh Smith unless they want to take a pay cut to play with Dwight Howard (it COULD happen). It really isn't Otis' decision if whether or not Nelson starts, it's up to SVG. I think Jameer is a starter next season unless we get a good veteran or somehow do a slick trade. Our options at SG aren't as bad or thin so that isn't our main concern right now. We need to go after a PF so we can get more rebounding and with Battie coming back we could have a solid 4-5 big man rotation with Dwight Howard, Battie, Foyle, Cook, and possible FA. That's a lot of big bodies down there and maybe we keep Gortat. I think the best thing to do is draft a SG to give him time to develop and so he doesn't have to rush and be a starter. Bringing in a big man off of the draft it sometimes takes time for him to develop down low against the bigger competition.
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So Turk would be our Ginobli... I could see it. You are right about who starts being Gundy's call. About that big rotation, I really hope that Gortat finds his way into a permant role with this team. I like what I see so far!

The main thing in my mind to look at this summer is how Otis handles resigning his guys with Bird rights and using the MLE. He can play it sort of lose and still stay under the luxary tax, so here's hoping he gets it done.
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I was just reading Rod Benson's blog on Yahoo Sports.

We should have signed him. The dude's 6-10, averaging 12/12 a game, and hell, seems like a cool guy. Maybe he'll become the next Jamario Moon...who knows. I mean, we do need rebounding...
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Mar. 11, 2008 11:43 AM
I was just reading Rod Benson's blog on Yahoo Sports.

We should have signed him. The dude's 6-10, averaging 12/12 a game, and hell, seems like a cool guy. Maybe he'll become the next Jamario Moon...who knows. I mean, we do need rebounding...

Read that blog too. I am more interested in adding his blog to the Magic blogs though than him playing. :lol: He's pretty good.
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