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Arroyo trade?; Arroyo trade?????
Topic Started: Nov 5 2007, 08:54 AM (1,604 Views)
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i was reading on another forum and this was their i don't know how true it is b/c i did not see the game so if anyone heard this feel free to comment on this.


I was watching the Mavs vs. Kings last night and was surprised on how the announcers were mentioning that with Bibby out the Kings were in search of a PG who can step in and do the job until MB gets back. Surprising enough a few names came up and guess whose name was mentioned? None other than Orlando's own Carlos Arroyo. This could happen very soon as MB is out for two months.

Folks this is in no way to bash CA. As far as helping the magic I don't think he is what the magic are looking for in a backup PG. I can be wrong but, if a team is going to rotate eight players and KD is starting to get more minutes as the backup PG then its "dejavou all over again" for CA. I Like CA and hope that he can find a team that he can help at the PG position.
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Some have mentioned sending JJ and Arroyo for Shareef Abdur-Rahim. There really isnt much else talk about this deal, so its either not true or its on the DL.

But heres something to think about too:

http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=7...er=asc&start=12
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Not gonna happen, and here's why...we'd have 2 PGs. Jameer and Keyon would be the only ones that could handle the ball, and if an injury happened to either one of them we'd have to go find some scrub PG.

I doubt the Magic trade Carlos unless it involves us getting another PG in some way (either Carlos is packaged with someone for a PG and a servicable big or we sign a PG with the injury exception and then trade Carlos for a big).
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As much as I dislike Arroyo, trading Carlos and Redick for SAR would be plain stupid. Even if it was for Kenny Thomas it would be stupid. We need someone that can actually play ball and not just a big stiff down there. For that we already have Garrity, Augustine and Gortat.
I really hope Otis isn't making any desperation moves.
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I don't think that trade would be stupid at all. We have an excess of guards and a shortage of bigs. I would have liked to see Redick get a fair shot at trying to prove himself during games, but if he isn't going to play, then I think we should trade him for a big. I'm not a huge fan of only having 2 PGs because if one gets injured, then all the pressure is on that one PG. Because I'm sure Dooling will get hurt for a bit this season and we can't have Jameer being the only PG.

I think Shareef can be a lot like McDyess. He goes to another team where he is needed and he plays well again. I don't know if the salaries match up with Arroyo and Redick for Shareef, but I would certainly make the trade. We can always sign a PG in free agency with the money that we get from Battie's injury. I'd prefer to trade Redick and maybe Augustine or Outlaw, because I think we need that 3rd PG. It would have been nice to hang on to Diener. If we still had him, I would say make the trade right now.
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SAR is deadlier to those that have him than SARS. :(

I'll take Kenny Thomas for Arroyo. :)
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Kenny Thomas is actually pretty terrible. The only decent power forward the Kings have is Justin Williams, and he's inactive due to sexual-assault charges filed against him.

Yes, I'd rather have Michael Doleac than Kenny Thomas. :/
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Nov. 5 2007 11:40 AM
I don't know if the salaries match up with Arroyo and Redick for Shareef, but I would certainly make the trade. We can always sign a PG in free agency with the money that we get from Battie's injury. I'd prefer to trade Redick and maybe Augustine or Outlaw, because I think we need that 3rd PG. It would have been nice to hang on to Diener. If we still had him, I would say make the trade right now.

A trade of JJ and Arroyo for Abdur-Rahim would work out successfully. But I dont think we would really need to trade away those two, to get a sorry big man. We can find one of those on anyteam and give away less, or in FA.
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Hell no. I ain't shipping them both out, especially JJ. I want to see what he can do.
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Carlos and Pat for Kenny Thomas

Carlos and J.J. for Shareef Abdur-Rahim

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Nov. 5 2007 02:38 PM

I wish Carlos and Pat would be able to get us Rahim. :/
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Nov. 5 2007 02:37 PM
Hell no. I ain't shipping them both out, especially JJ. I want to see what he can do.

First of all I Your not going to see much of JJ because of his apparent inability to play defense. I thought the guy developed on the defensive end but he's proven me right that he's a stiff. Just when I thought the guy shut me up. :lol:
However, Teams have to respect his ability to hit the three. The question is are the Magic willing to give that up to fill an obvious need in the rebounding department. I think they should. Magiclive is right, the lack of rebounding is going to catch up with us, and we wont be able to get away with it when we play the better teams in the league.

I think Carlos is trade bait at this point, when you look at what the Magic are moving towards. He's not going to play better defense than Dooling, and Jameer has at least shown that he can score even though he is stanking it up, it's still early.
For what SVG is trying to accomplish Dooling is your man because of his defense. However, your giving up a guy that knows the offense and that can take care of the ball. Dooling really doesnt have spectacular handles or court vision. What do they need more.

As far as the trade, I think we're kinda losing sight of what orlando needs. An ATHLETIC big that CAN rebound and block shots. IMO thats not SAR.
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Udonis Haslem would be perfect for this team.
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Nov. 5 2007 05:34 PM
As far as the trade, I think we're kinda losing sight of what orlando needs. An ATHLETIC big that CAN rebound and block shots. IMO thats not SAR.

It would be nice to have someone like that, but we are not going to trade Arroyo and Redick and get someone like that in return. We just don't have the assets to pull that off. Unless we are willing to give up one of our key players, which I think none of us would do. The ideal player would be someone like you described, but it's tough to be picky when the only guys we are willing to trade are Arroyo, Garrity, and/or Redick.

I really think SAR can be a guy that has a similar career comeback like McDyess, if he is put in the right situation. I think if he comes to a team that is going to actually use him for 25 minutes per game, he can still produce. I think I'm in the minority there, but people thought McDyess' career was over and he is a key part to that Pistons team.

If we were to make a deal, we must look long-term. By that, I mean we can't give up too much just so we can get a big man to help us out right away. We know that Battie will be back next year and that will help us out a lot on the boards. I don't think we need to find the next Tyson Chandler or Marcus Camby. It would be nice to have a player like that, but it's unlikely to get a player like that if we are just trading Arroyo, Redick, and/or Garrity. Let's find a guy that we can get by trading Arroyo, Redick, or Garrity and who can help out on the boards this year and when Battie comes back next year, we will be pretty solid up front.
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Nov. 5 2007 05:54 PM
Udonis Haslem would be perfect for this team.

I never really thought of him, he would be a pretty good fit.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3765/c...FVBUd0jdz6kvLYF
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Nov. 5 2007 05:54 PM
Udonis Haslem would be perfect for this team.

I highly doubt the Heat would give him up. He is one of the few bright spots on the Heat and I don't think Riley would want to give up one of his best big men to his division rival. Especially for Arroyo and Garrity.
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