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Will Magic be play off team next season?
Topic Started: Jul 31 2007, 01:20 AM (1,309 Views)
The Archduke
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Aug. 9 2007 07:15 AM
The magic will end up with the 8 seed or the 9th I don't see how they could do better, other then Orlando magic Forums this is the same feeling on most websites.
The magic are basically the same team from last year for the simple fact that the Lewis deal has been offset by the lost of Darko and Hill.

Not trying to be rude Brutalfacts but you just listted the negtives of every team that made the playoffs infront of the magic just to make Orlando look better, lol. But let me list the postives.

NJ: The team was set back by injures to many key players last season and still managed to make the playoffs. With good health to their big 3, NK, and newly signed Jamal magorie i don't see how they don't make the playoffs.

Miami: As with NJ, miami had injuries to both star players and still managed to make the playoffs. With an healthy Wade and a shaq, who still at his age needs to be doubled on a nightly basics, i don't see how this team does not make the playoff with out major injuries.

Was: Washington hits me as a team that will make the playoffs every year but will never get past the 2nd round. If they don't find more piece to put around their 3 of Caron, Jamison, and Areans this tend will cont. But as long as they have Agent 0 and the 2 others they will always be in the playoffs. And a player to watch next season is their eurpean center they picked up in the draft to seasons ago, played pretty good in the summer league lets see if that conts during the season.

Cleveland: Cleveland will make the playoffs because Lebron will carry them there. When he is on the floor he has the fire and passion like a Kobe or MJ, something I wish Dwight had more of. The only way they don't make the playoffs is if Lebron goes down.

Tor: Tor seems to me like a team that really over achevied last season. They do have some great young talent but i still think they are a few years away, this is the team i think the Magic will be fighting for the eight seed.

Now lets talk about the magic. They made a great move to get lewis but made an awful move of overpaying him, making it nealy impossible to improve this year and even in the future. I loved getting lewis but paying a guy who could do little else but score is crazy. What makes it worst is that the magic lost 2 good defenders and potenial starters in Hill and Darko and gained lewis who is said to be a non factor on D. And with the lost of both Darko and Hill this leaves 2 holes in the starting lineup and little to no big men deapth

The only Good thing that happend during the magic offseason was Stan Van Gandy. A very good coach for a very young team but could he fill the missing pieces is the question.

But at the end of the season this is how I see the standings:

1.Boston
2.Chicago
3.Washington
4.Detroit
5.Cleveland
6.Miami
7.NJ
8.Tor
9.Orlando

New Jersey: Getting old, and with that age comes more susceptibility to injury. Really and truthfully VC isn't going to be enough to make this team a true contender. Adding Jamaal Magloire is a significant step down from Mikki Moore. As most said about him on here, he is good for just having an experienced big, but you cannot rely on him to make tremendous contributions.

Miami: Shaq is getting old as well, and injuries go with the territory. Wade needs to bounce back big from last year's disappointments. This team did nothing to upgrade at PG, and Mo Williams schooled them to get his bank from the Bucks. They should be better than last year, but they aren't going to be anything incredible.

Washington should be solid, but they'll still be up in the air. They have to show they can win the significant games or they'll just be paper tigers.

Cleveland is proof that you don't need a team to win in the East. LeBron is a great player, no doubt, but outside of him you have a lot of inconsistency. I wouldn't be stunned to see the Cavs miss the playoffs. They didn't upgrade very much, and they're a one-trick pony.

Toronto has to prove they aren't a fluke. Chris Bosh is a great player, too, but it has to come together. I think they slip significantly, but still make the postseason.

The Magic are in a precarious situation. They upgraded offensively and had to give up something defensively. However, neither Grant Hill nor Darko Milicic's combined games are as good as Shard's. Clearly we need some unknowns to step up and play good ball at the 4 or 5 off of the bench, and Augustine and Gortat will have some growing pains. Still, I think the upgrades offensively will be enough to put this team over the top and put them in the middle of the pack.
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Aug. 11 2007 06:33 PM
Did Darko do enough to "offset" this team upon departure? I dont think Darko and HIll leaving has hindered us. Considering that Shard avg more PPG than both those guys put together, and is expected to score more as our main offensive weapon unless Dwight blows up of course. We may miss Darko a little but it's not going to keep us from being a playoff team.

It is much more then the scoring, I have no doubt in my mind that Lewis will match Hill and darko points per game output from last season. What off sets the trade is everything else. Lewis is pretty much a weak defender, rebounder, passer and anything else that doesn't have to do with scoring. This is were Darko and Hill were good at and were Lewis can't match.

Even though Hill was not a great defender he was solid, played alittle point forward thru out the season, created for others and so on. Darko was always a solid post defender, guarded the best big men on the other team so Dwight didn't have to, and was among the best in blocked shoots. Lewis is not known for any these things listed for Grant or Darko and doubt he will every be. I hope i am wrong but there is no way Lewis him self could makeup for these things.




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Aug. 11 2007 07:24 PM
New Jersey: Getting old, and with that age comes more susceptibility to injury. Really and truthfully VC isn't going to be enough to make this team a true contender. Adding Jamaal Magloire is a significant step down from Mikki Moore. As most said about him on here, he is good for just having an experienced big, but you cannot rely on him to make tremendous contributions.

Miami: Shaq is getting old as well, and injuries go with the territory. Wade needs to bounce back big from last year's disappointments. This team did nothing to upgrade at PG, and Mo Williams schooled them to get his bank from the Bucks. They should be better than last year, but they aren't going to be anything incredible.

Washington should be solid, but they'll still be up in the air. They have to show they can win the significant games or they'll just be paper tigers.

Cleveland is proof that you don't need a team to win in the East. LeBron is a great player, no doubt, but outside of him you have a lot of inconsistency. I wouldn't be stunned to see the Cavs miss the playoffs. They didn't upgrade very much, and they're a one-trick pony.

Toronto has to prove they aren't a fluke. Chris Bosh is a great player, too, but it has to come together. I think they slip significantly, but still make the postseason.

The Magic are in a precarious situation. They upgraded offensively and had to give up something defensively. However, neither Grant Hill nor Darko Milicic's combined games are as good as Shard's. Clearly we need some unknowns to step up and play good ball at the 4 or 5 off of the bench, and Augustine and Gortat will have some growing pains. Still, I think the upgrades offensively will be enough to put this team over the top and put them in the middle of the pack.

I Seriously I don't know how Orlando will be better then any of thoes teams maybe expect tor which may have been a fluke.

If NJ's big 3 plus maggs and NK stays remotely healthy they will make the playoffs. And Maggs is better then Moore lol, they basically put up the same stats last season and maggs played off the bench and didn't even have the luxuary to play beside jason kidd like moore did.

If wasington's big 3 stays healthy they will make the playoffs.

If Wade and shaq stay healthy they will make the playoffs, better yet if shaq stays healthy for half a season they will make the playoffs.

There is no way that cleveland does not make the playoffs, when was the last time that a team that made the finals the year before didn't make the playoffs. The only why they do not make the playoffs is if Lebron goes down.

The only way i see Orlando making the playoffs is if Tor is a fluke or another team is completely unhealthy. In my opinion i don't see Orlando as a top teir team in the east, not now anyways. But i would not be shocked if teams such as Alt, Mil, Char, or even New York surpass orlando in the standings. Not saying they will but i wouldn't be shocked.

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Aug. 12 2007 05:07 AM
It is much more then the scoring, I have no doubt in my mind that Lewis will match Hill and darko points per game output from last season. What off sets the trade is everything else. Lewis is pretty much a weak defender, rebounder, passer and anything else that doesn't have to do with scoring. This is were Darko and Hill were good at and were Lewis can't match.

Even though Hill was not a great defender he was solid, played alittle point forward thru out the season, created for others and so on. Darko was always a solid post defender, guarded the best big men on the other team so Dwight didn't have to, and was among the best in blocked shoots. Lewis is not known for any these things listed for Grant or Darko and doubt he will every be. I hope i am wrong but there is no way Lewis him self could makeup for these things.

Darko 8ppg 4 rpg

Hill 14ppg 2 apg 3 rpg

Didn't lewis avg 6 or 7 rebounds per game? What am I missing?
not the best playmaker but is that why we brought him here? Everyone screamed for a scorer, now we have one, and now it's not enough. What do you supposed the Magic could've done? Waited until next year? Regardless if Otis signed this guy or not it would've been a bad move he's going to get criticized be everyone. I think this move puts us in the middle of the pack. 4th or 5th

This is ridiculous, Lewis is going to do more than he did playing behind Ray his numbers will be fine, and the loss of Darko milicic is not going to be the reason we dont make the playoffs.
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Aug. 12 2007 05:02 PM
Darko 8ppg 4 rpg

Hill 14ppg 2 apg 3 rpg

Didn't lewis avg 6 or 7 rebounds per game? What am I missing?
not the best playmaker but is that why we brought him here? Everyone screamed for a scorer, now we have one, and now it's not enough. What do you supposed the Magic could've done? Waited until next year? Regardless if Otis signed this guy or not it would've been a bad move he's going to get criticized be everyone. I think this move puts us in the middle of the pack. 4th or 5th

This is ridiculous, Lewis is going to do more than he did playing behind Ray his numbers will be fine, and the loss of Darko milicic is not going to be the reason we dont make the playoffs.

Lets fix this a little, lol:

Lewis Numbers from last season:

P: 22.4 Ast: 2.4 Reb: 6.6 Stl: 1.1 Blks:0 0.6

Grant Hill Numbers

P: 14.4 Ast: 2.1 Reb: 3.6 Stl: .9 Blks: .4

Darko Numbers

P: 8.4 Ast: 1.1 Reb: 5.5 Stl: .3 Blks: 1.8

Darko's and Hill's number combine

Points: 22. 8 Ast 3.2 Rebs 9.1 stl 1.2 and blks 2.2

It could be me but these numbers look like a wash and thats how everybody see its expect magic fans. And lets not forget that the magic have little to no big man depth to add to this problem.

I for one wanted lewis here and will never deny it but it would not have been at the cost of 118 million, Darko, and the improvment of the team now and in the future. Unless Lewis breakouts as a superstar I do not see a Lewis and Dwight led team going far in the future.

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i think that price that we paid for Lewis is too high.
i don't mind $$$$, they are not mine.

my problem is that we let Darko walk, without even trying to sign him. phone call would have been nice.

and is Foyle better than Darko? I don't think so.
Darko is playing for Serbia now, and he is playing well.
Check his stats against Greece ( just ask USA team what was the score when they played against Greece )
http://live.basketfrance.com/match.php?id=6&t=STR
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18 points on 18 shots isn't so great. :/
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8/18 FG is not impressive for a PF/C. Not even for a wing player.
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that is .444 FG%

Rasheed Wallace has .449 FG% against Magic in first round

i wish i could see Darko and Howard playing together with better coach than Hill. Darko was not used properly, he is not primarily post player that Brown and Hill wanted him to be.

my point is, Darko is better than any big men that will try to replace him on magic roster
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Aug. 12 2007 06:21 AM
The Archduke
Aug. 11 2007 07:24 PM
New Jersey:  Getting old, and with that age comes more susceptibility to injury.  Really and truthfully VC isn't going to be enough to make this team a true contender.  Adding Jamaal Magloire is a significant step down from Mikki Moore.  As most said about him on here, he is good for just having an experienced big, but you cannot rely on him to make tremendous contributions.

Miami:  Shaq is getting old as well, and injuries go with the territory.  Wade needs to bounce back big from last year's disappointments.  This team did nothing to upgrade at PG, and Mo Williams schooled them to get his bank from the Bucks.  They should be better than last year, but they aren't going to be anything incredible.

Washington should be solid, but they'll still be up in the air.  They have to show they can win the significant games or they'll just be paper tigers.

Cleveland is proof that you don't need a team to win in the East.  LeBron is a great player, no doubt, but outside of him you have a lot of inconsistency.  I wouldn't be stunned to see the Cavs miss the playoffs.  They didn't upgrade very much, and they're a one-trick pony.

Toronto has to prove they aren't a fluke.  Chris Bosh is a great player, too, but it has to come together.  I think they slip significantly, but still make the postseason.

The Magic are in a precarious situation.  They upgraded offensively and had to give up something defensively.  However, neither Grant Hill nor Darko Milicic's combined games are as good as Shard's.  Clearly we need some unknowns to step up and play good ball at the 4 or 5 off of the bench, and Augustine and Gortat will have some growing pains.  Still, I think the upgrades offensively will be enough to put this team over the top and put them in the middle of the pack.

I Seriously I don't know how Orlando will be better then any of thoes teams maybe expect tor which may have been a fluke.

If NJ's big 3 plus maggs and NK stays remotely healthy they will make the playoffs. And Maggs is better then Moore lol, they basically put up the same stats last season and maggs played off the bench and didn't even have the luxuary to play beside jason kidd like moore did.

If wasington's big 3 stays healthy they will make the playoffs.

If Wade and shaq stay healthy they will make the playoffs, better yet if shaq stays healthy for half a season they will make the playoffs.

There is no way that cleveland does not make the playoffs, when was the last time that a team that made the finals the year before didn't make the playoffs. The only why they do not make the playoffs is if Lebron goes down.

The only way i see Orlando making the playoffs is if Tor is a fluke or another team is completely unhealthy. In my opinion i don't see Orlando as a top teir team in the east, not now anyways. But i would not be shocked if teams such as Alt, Mil, Char, or even New York surpass orlando in the standings. Not saying they will but i wouldn't be shocked.

Maggs is as good as Moore? Then why, praytell, was no one knocking down his door the way that teams were in trying to snatch up Moore? Magloire is a significant step down, mainly due to his age. Besides him, everyone on that team is starting to get old.

Look, I'm not even going to bother typing about the other teams...but Cleveland is the team that we have to look at the most closely. They are MEDIOCRE AT BEST without LBJ. In the East, depth isn't an issue. In the Finals, it is.

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Aug. 15 2007 01:48 AM
that is .444 FG%

Rasheed Wallace has .449 FG% against Magic in first round

i wish i could see Darko and Howard playing together with better coach than Hill. Darko was not used properly, he is not primarily post player that Brown and Hill wanted him to be.

my point is, Darko is better than any big men that will try to replace him on magic roster

Shooting .444 isn't bad, but only averaging one point per shot attempt is. It's inefficient. Were you impressed Zach Randolph scored 42 points against Memphis last season? You shouldn't have been; he needed 40 shots to do so. Consider that for every shot you take, your team loses a possession unless someone manages to get an offensive rebound. So he scored 42 points, but cost his team 40 possessions in the process. Not good at all.
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Aug. 15 2007 12:48 AM
that is .444 FG%

Rasheed Wallace has .449 FG% against Magic in first round

i wish i could see Darko and Howard playing together with better coach than Hill. Darko was not used properly, he is not primarily post player that Brown and Hill wanted him to be.

my point is, Darko is better than any big men that will try to replace him on magic roster

While I agree that Darko is most likely better than his eventual replacement, comparing his .444 FG% to Rasheed's first round average doesn't make him any better.

.444 ties the worst season average by Andrew DeClercq, my least favorite Magic player and arguably one of the stiffest bigmen to ever play the game. .444 is certainly nothing to be proud of, espescially when you're over 7 feet tall.

I know it's insignificant, I just felt like sharing.
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Aug. 15 2007 10:10 AM
Maggs is as good as Moore? Then why, praytell, was no one knocking down his door the way that teams were in trying to snatch up Moore? Magloire is a significant step down, mainly due to his age. Besides him, everyone on that team is starting to get old.

Look, I'm not even going to bother typing about the other teams...but Cleveland is the team that we have to look at the most closely. They are MEDIOCRE AT BEST without LBJ. In the East, depth isn't an issue. In the Finals, it is.

Your argument is based on fit, many of the teams going after Moore were run and gun teams such as the bulls were a guy such as Malgoire would not fit in. I am telling you right now that Moore will go back to his old status as scub in sactown. Moore's sucess is do to the fact he was playing next to a guy like kidd who could make anybody look good, moore was basically a nobody before nj. Magloire has always been a 11 pts and 10-9 rebs player when ever he has started. I don't see 1 decent year by Moore evidence that he is better then what ever Magloire has done.

And the fact about Cleveland is that they are playing with lebron and as long as he is healthy they are title contenders and playoffs locks each and every year. But if they what to be champions one day they need one of their young guys, other then lebron, to step up and become an allstar or cleveland needs to go out get one. If not cleveland will only be known as a team that could challenge but not get it done.

And gilepile, I agree with falcon and the rock thoes are just awful numbers for Darko, especialy when he is a big men. When somebody misses more shots then he makes that tends to be a bad thing. Some guards could get away with it but not many.
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SI Is SOOOO off Base :(
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Ok gilepile tell me what you all seem to think was so special about Darko who wound up in a Grillies Uni eventally.I think if he had great talent he would have showed it to Orlando during his time there.So why should Orlando have resigned him??

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