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Who should the Magic start at SG?
Topic Started: Jul 26 2007, 11:03 AM (1,357 Views)
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I picked Reddick, we need him to spread the floor. We need to lead the attack and be aggressive. If JJ does his job, that eliminate alot of doubleteams for Dwight and Rashard, and allows Jameer to play his game.
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Aug. 3 2007 12:47 PM
I picked Reddick, we need him to spread the floor. We need to lead the attack and be aggressive. If JJ does his job, that eliminate alot of doubleteams for Dwight and Rashard, and allows Jameer to play his game.

Key word is "IF" JJ does his job, it all circles around back to earning the starting spot in training camp. I hope he's successful and I hope he becomes the player we all want him to be. But I just dont agree with anyone that thinks we should just hand him the job. He hasn't earned it yet, no matter what he did in the off season.
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Aug. 1 2007 07:48 PM
This one is easy...Trevor Ariza.....you all are crazy

It really should be Ariza. He has more upside then anybody else expect Dwight, Plays D and slashes to complent Lewis, before the injury was putting great numbers, and if the magic plan to ran he is the man. Seriously the magic will need some Defense in the starting lineup. A lineup of Nelson, Redick, and Lewis on the perimeter will not be great for D. And I don't see how a starting lineup of Nelson, Redick, Lewis, Howard and maybe even Turk could work they all need the ball to be effective, you need a guy to do the dirty work.

And seriously I don't understand all this hype for Redick, he is nothing but a good 3 point shooter. I think he would be better off the bench were he could really contribute.
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Aug. 9 2007 07:39 AM
It really should be Ariza. He has more upside then anybody else expect Dwight, Plays D and slashes to complent Lewis, before the injury was putting great numbers, and if the magic plan to ran he is the man. Seriously the magic will need some Defense in the starting lineup. A lineup of Nelson, Redick, and Lewis on the perimeter will not be great for D. And I don't see how a starting lineup of Nelson, Redick, Lewis, Howard and maybe even Turk could work they all need the ball to be effective, you need a guy to do the dirty work.

And seriously I don't understand all this hype for Redick, he is nothing but a good 3 point shooter. I think he would be better off the bench were he could really contribute.

Turk rebounds, can find the open man, spread the floor and slashes, and posts up. You guys act like his defense was god awful. he;s not the best defender ever but at this point he brings more to the table at the postition.
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Well we dont know who will start yet... but its really good to have an arguement like this because it just goes to show how many options we really have for the 2 and 3 spots.
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Aug. 9 2007 11:01 PM
Turk rebounds, can find the open man, spread the floor and slashes, and posts up. You guys act like his defense was god awful. he;s not the best defender ever but at this point he brings more to the table at the postition.

With a lineup that would include Nelson, Redick or Turk, Lewis, and Dwight, Ariza would by far be the best choice. Not trying to say Turk was the worst defender on the team but Ariza was among the best last season. He was also one of the best rebounders avg 4 off the bench, matching Turks rebounding stats who was a starter. Ariza's slashing abitly is one of the best things he brings on the court, i would even say better then that of Turks.

True, Turk does spread the floor and does postup from time to time. But with a lineup that would include Nelson, Redick, Lewis, and Dwight; we would have 3 players in Nelson, Redick, and Lewis who could spead the floor and 2 players in Lewis and Dwight that could post up, so does are not needs. With that lineup we would need defense on the perimemter and Ariza is just that.

I will also add that Turks has been up and down for most of last season and would be better off as an 6th man. And Ariza has shown great improvement from the time he has been traded there and think that he should get a shot to start.
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Aug. 10 2007 03:55 PM
With a lineup that would include Nelson, Redick or Turk, Lewis, and Dwight, Ariza would by far be the best choice. Not trying to say Turk was the worst defender on the team but Ariza was among the best last season. He was also one of the best rebounders avg 4 off the bench, matching Turks rebounding stats who was a starter. Ariza's slashing abitly is one of the best things he brings on the court, i would even say better then that of Turks.

True, Turk does spread the floor and does postup from time to time. But with a lineup that would include Nelson, Redick, Lewis, and Dwight; we would have 3 players in Nelson, Redick, and Lewis who could spead the floor and 2 players in Lewis and Dwight that could post up, so does are not needs. With that lineup we would need defense on the perimemter and Ariza is just that.

I will also add that Turks has been up and down for most of last season and would be better off as an 6th man. And Ariza has shown great improvement from the time he has been traded there and think that he should get a shot to start.

Ariza doesnt scare anyone on the offensive end. His 4 rebounds a game doesn't really make him a rebounder. Turk still brings more to the table, and you have to start the best player at the position. It's still turk right now. Ariza was one of the best defenders on THIS TEAM because there's only 2 defenders on this team. I could see him starting at the 3 if they move Shard to the 4 and dwight to the 5 spot with Jameer and Turk starting. I just don't see Ariza really scaring anyone on the offensive end. You cripple our ability to consistantly score from 4 positions when you start a guy with limited offensive game. I dont think he played good enough defense to make up for that. He isnt a stopper. Just a better defender than Turk.
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Aug. 11 2007 06:25 PM

Ariza doesnt scare anyone on the offensive end.  His 4 rebounds a game doesn't really make him a rebounder. Turk still brings more to the table, and you have to start the best player at the position. It's still turk right now. Ariza was one of the best defenders on THIS TEAM because there's only 2 defenders on this team. I could see him starting at the 3 if they move Shard to the 4 and dwight to the 5 spot with Jameer and Turk starting. I just don't see Ariza really scaring anyone on the offensive end.  You cripple our ability to consistantly score from 4 positions when you start a guy with limited offensive game. I dont think he played good enough defense to make up for that. He isnt a stopper. Just a better defender than Turk.

Really I hate this logic that we need a starting lineup fool of scorers. Every starting lineup needs at least one or two scarpers. Like or not but Ariza is a very good slasher and defender its not becasue we only had 2 defenders that made him look that good. And the only reason i brought up the 4 rebounds per game is because he match turks rebounding off the bench, just think about if he started started.

And really there are no real stoppers in this league because stars players no matter what will always get there points. There are only irraters, guys that will make it tough for star players to get their points.

And the Spurs won last years title with Manu playing alot off the bench, so your logic these not really work out. I have always seen Hedo as a 6th man and he is to up and down be anything more but what really matters is not who starts the game but who finishes it.
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Best lineup in my eyes at the moment:
C: D-Flight
PF: Hedo
SF: 'Shard
SG: JJ
PG: Jameer

We can win 50 games with this SL. :yes:
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Aug. 12 2007 05:49 AM
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Aug. 11 2007 06:25 PM

Ariza doesnt scare anyone on the offensive end.  His 4 rebounds a game doesn't really make him a rebounder. Turk still brings more to the table, and you have to start the best player at the position. It's still turk right now. Ariza was one of the best defenders on THIS TEAM because there's only 2 defenders on this team. I could see him starting at the 3 if they move Shard to the 4 and dwight to the 5 spot with Jameer and Turk starting. I just don't see Ariza really scaring anyone on the offensive end.  You cripple our ability to consistantly score from 4 positions when you start a guy with limited offensive game. I dont think he played good enough defense to make up for that. He isnt a stopper. Just a better defender than Turk.

Really I hate this logic that we need a starting lineup fool of scorers. Every starting lineup needs at least one or two scarpers. Like or not but Ariza is a very good slasher and defender its not becasue we only had 2 defenders that made him look that good. And the only reason i brought up the 4 rebounds per game is because he match turks rebounding off the bench, just think about if he started started.

And really there are no real stoppers in this league because stars players no matter what will always get there points. There are only irraters, guys that will make it tough for star players to get their points.

And the Spurs won last years title with Manu playing alot off the bench, so your logic these not really work out. I have always seen Hedo as a 6th man and he is to up and down be anything more but what really matters is not who starts the game but who finishes it.

What doesnt makes sense is that you think Orlando may miss or barely make the playoffs, but you want to start a less skilled player offensively when our biggest weakneess was offense to close out games. We were one of the top teams defensvely. Individually we didnt have the greatest defensive players, but we played good team defense.

Irritating players? what is he a diaper rash. We are in deep Sh*t if we're depending on Ariza's irritation skills to get us through the playoffs. He's not going to start b/c he's irritating I can pretty much guarantee that. Until I'm proven wrong by Redick or Ariza, Turk is best suited to start at the 2.
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Aug. 12 2007 04:52 PM
What doesnt makes sense is that you think Orlando may miss or barely make the playoffs, but you want to start a less skilled player offensively when our biggest weakneess was offense to close out games. We were one of the top teams defensvely. Individually we didnt have the greatest defensive players, but we played good team defense.

Irritating players? what is he a diaper rash. We are in deep Sh*t if we're depending on Ariza's irritation skills to get us through the playoffs. He's not going to start b/c he's irritating I can pretty much guarantee that. Until I'm proven wrong by Redick or Ariza, Turk is best suited to start at the 2.

Yea the magic were one of the best Def teams LAST YEAR but with the lost of a good defender in Darko and Hill and the addition of a below avg Def in Lewis i doubt that will be the same next year. And as much as i hate Coach Hill he was a great teacher on Defense But I don't know about offense, lol.

LOL at diaper rash, but there is no real stopers in this leauge. NO one could stop a star player in this leauge on an everyday basics. And I can't understand your love for turk he is freaking bipolar everybody wanted the guy traded or as a 6th man. Other then his injuries and his bad play in the playoffs Ariza had himself a great season and deserves his chances to start.
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Aug. 12 2007 07:04 PM
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Aug. 12 2007 04:52 PM
What doesnt makes sense is that you think Orlando may miss or barely make the playoffs, but you want to start a less skilled player offensively when our biggest weakneess was offense to close out games. We were one of the top teams defensvely. Individually we didnt have the greatest defensive players, but we played good team defense.

Irritating players? what is he a diaper rash. We are in deep Sh*t if we're depending on Ariza's irritation skills to get us through the playoffs. He's not going to start b/c he's irritating I can pretty much guarantee that. Until I'm proven wrong by Redick or Ariza, Turk is best suited to start at the 2.

Yea the magic were one of the best Def teams LAST YEAR but with the lost of a good defender in Darko and Hill and the addition of a below avg Def in Lewis i doubt that will be the same next year. And as much as i hate Coach Hill he was a great teacher on Defense But I don't know about offense, lol.

LOL at diaper rash, but there is no real stopers in this leauge. NO one could stop a star player in this leauge on an everyday basics. And I can't understand your love for turk he is freaking bipolar everybody wanted the guy traded or as a 6th man. Other then his injuries and his bad play in the playoffs Ariza had himself a great season and deserves his chances to start.

It's not a love for Turk, It's obvious that he has more skills and best suited to play the 2. Ariza r Jj or Bogans or whoever has to prove himself in training camp under the new coach. Darko wasn't the anchor of our defense last year. TEAM DEFENSE means they played good defense AS A TEAM not b/c of one particular player.
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Aug. 12 2007 11:37 PM
It's not a love for Turk, It's obvious that he has more skills and best suited to play the 2. Ariza r Jj or Bogans or whoever has to prove himself in training camp under the new coach. Darko wasn't the anchor of our defense last year. TEAM DEFENSE means they played good defense AS A TEAM not b/c of one particular player.

Of course Darko AND Hill did not anchor the defense but when you replace them with Lewis who is sub par on D I expect team D to take a hit.

Ariza would be great in the starting lineup for the simple reason he covers the incapiblities of Lewis. Ariza: slasher, Lewis; jump shooter; Ariza: Good Defender, Lewis: Sub Par so on and so on. If not Ariza, my next choice would be Dooling.
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Jul. 26 2007 06:51 PM
But I still think Hedo does more than any of those two on the court. He avgs the same numbers as our starting PG. 14 4rb and 4ast why would we not start him next to Lewis at 6,10. Everyone talks about how Dwight can stop a guy driving to the hole so we really don't have to worry about perimeter defense.

Perimeter defense was horrible the 2nd half of the season. That was one of biggest problems last year, and we even saw that in the playoffs with Rip Hamilton and Chauncey Billups tearing the Magic to shreds.

Then Dwight is going have to gaurd the best player in the paint now. Also, him being in the middle of the lane because of shot blocking. Teams will go after him. He will get into foul trouble very quickly.

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Aug. 12 2007 10:29 AM
Best lineup in my eyes at the moment:
C: D-Flight
PF: Hedo
SF: 'Shard
SG: JJ
PG: Jameer

We can win 50 games with this SL. :yes:

Yeah right. Id love to see Hedo try to guard Tim Duncan or KG. :lol:
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