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| Magic/Sonics Agree to S&T; Lewis to Magic for future 2nd Rd. Pick | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 11 2007, 12:06 AM (2,719 Views) | |
| Shareef | Jul 12 2007, 01:17 AM Post #91 |
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Zuppafly I have to agree with everything you have said so far, lol. By doing this move it will make it very diffuclt to improve each every year unless we are a lottery team. I love Lewis but he won't win us anything in the the east, the man is not even a superstar. Lewis is on the level as Jefferson, Marion, C. Butler and Wallace and he is getting paid twice as much as those guys (this is freaking Shaq and KG money we are talking about). This is so bad in my opinion unless Dwight becomes some type of KG/Duncan player next year i don't know how this team improved. People could say that a future super star and a good player could lead this team in the east but when a team like NJ and Was can't i don't know how much hope there is for the magic. God, I can't belive the magic did this. LOL at Lewis> Wallace and Darko? Lewis could only score and is a decent rebounder but even thou wallace is just a slasher he could rebound and play d and add darko just puts it over the edge. The magic got worst on D by losing Hill and Darko and will lose alot int he future. Unless Lewis becomes some kind of T-mac or Kobe there is no way he lives up to this deal. I love Oits but i got to question what he is doing |
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| Shareef | Jul 12 2007, 01:22 AM Post #92 |
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Unless something happens in the near this team does not look really good. |
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| gomagic33 | Jul 12 2007, 02:00 AM Post #93 |
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Otis said he like the team now. I wonder which team he is looking at. He also seems to have fallen in love with Jameer for some reason. Why would we want to commit to Jameer this early after a so-so season. |
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| Ben Q Rock | Jul 12 2007, 02:02 AM Post #94 |
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He also said "I like our team" at the trading deadline after we had lost 15 of 20 (or something like that.) Has anyone checked his glasses to make sure they aren't rose-tinted?
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| MAGICMANEVAN | Jul 12 2007, 02:04 AM Post #95 |
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Otis just gets man crushes on certain guys and will do anything for them. The first guy who comes to my mind is Pat, because we all know its a miracle hes lasted this long.
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| gomagic33 | Jul 12 2007, 02:22 AM Post #96 |
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Are you implying something about Otis manhood MME? j/k.Seriously though, unless he signs another FA or pulls a trade the team is flawed. |
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| TheFalcon | Jul 12 2007, 08:34 AM Post #97 |
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Well, we're in it for the long haul now. The Howard/Lewis experiment has officially begun, and there's nothing to do but sit back and watch. Honestly, the size of that contract makes me vomit, BUT our team doesn't look that bad to me. Let's make some assumptions. First, I'll assume that JJ improves over the next few years to become a marginal SG (whether as a starter or backup). Second, I'll assume that Ariza develops in the next few years into at least half the player we all think he can be. Third, I'll assume that Jameer and Carlos return to previous form and become "winnable" point guards. And lastly, I'll assume we pick up another serviceable big man or two in the next two offseasons. I know that's a lot of assumptions, but none of them really seem unreasonable. Given those assumptions, our team looks pretty darn good a year or two from now. I think we can get by with our current SG situation. JJ is tearing up the summer league, and we all know that Dooling can fill in nicely as well. The position is a little less critical since we have commited to scoring primarily from the SF and C positions. We desperately need some more big man help, but I think that can get done. Besides the fact that this contract has handcuffed us for the next six years, Otis made an all-or-nothing move. If we can get a championship out of this in the next 5 or 6 years, he'll be a hero. If not, he'll have ruined 6 years of Magic basketball. Everybody cross your fingers. |
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| The Archduke | Jul 12 2007, 09:12 AM Post #98 |
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Wow. Pessimism reigns supreme. Let's face facts: We're all a little surprised more didn't come out of this deal. But let's also face another fact: We'd all have whined if Otis did nothing in free agency. This is a guy who had Orlando as his top choice. We don't know if Gerald Wallace would have come here, and by God, we would have screamed until we were Magic blue in the face if we overpayed a guy like Wallace, who's padded his stats on a bad team that has lacked other scoring options. Also, we don't know what kind of player Dwight will eventually develop into. I don't see him in a KG/Duncan mold, I've always kind of seen him as a David Robinson type player that gets his points in and around the paint. What I do know is having a consistent scorer take up the slack will give Dwight the ability to move more freely without double teams bogging him down. New Jersey has age issues. Washington was bupkes without Gilbert Arenas. Is Lewis > Wallace and Darko? It's not laughable, if you ask me, but it's pretty darn close. Both Wallace and Darko are enigmas. Sure, Wallace can play well, but like I've said before, how good will his numbers be in a place where he isn't the only decent scorer? Defensively is he really an upgrade over other 2s like Dooling and, after a position switch, Ariza? Darko is more mysterious. Will he ever develop a better offensive variety, or are you going to be stuck with missed baby hooks and a hot-and-cold midrange jumper? Will he ever be a consistent rebounder? Sure, his defense was nice...but does that really push him over the edge and make the combination of he and Wallace BETTER than Shard? Maybe, maybe not. I can deal with losing Hill, because I fully expected him to walk. You can call it lack of loyalty...I personally call it getting away from a place that has been a curse. His constant injuries in Orlando can't make this an actual welcome place for him. He wanted a change of scenery and a hope that maybe he'd have better luck elsewhere. Losing Darko hurts, only because of the sudden lack of depth at the 4/5. Pull your finger away from the panic button. You might just be raising a false alarm. |
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| MAGICMANEVAN | Jul 12 2007, 10:10 AM Post #99 |
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http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...336/1063/sports
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/Rashard_Lewi...231440-800.html
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| dxwwf3 | Jul 12 2007, 10:57 AM Post #100 |
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That first line is the understatement of the decade. Everything you said was spot on. |
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| dxwwf3 | Jul 12 2007, 11:01 AM Post #101 |
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The Denton article that Evan just mentioned answers the question perfectly: Q. Did the Magic overpay for Lewis by giving him a six-year, $118.5 million contract? A. Yes and no. Overpaying is the nature of the beast in free agency. Chicago had to overpay to get Ben Wallace out of Detroit last summer and Cleveland did the same with Larry Hughes two years ago. Giving a one-time All-Star $118.5 million could certainly be seen as overpaying, but if the Magic didn't do it some other team would have made Lewis a rich, rich man. Even after he came to an agreement with Orlando last week, several teams continued to call his camp and try to woo him away. Lewis' agent, Tony Dutt, said teams even called Wednesday morning as Lewis was about to sign his contract with the Magic. Their offense was an inconsistent mess most of last season and the Magic desperately needed a scorer who could get them buckets in tough situations. Legitimate go-to scorers are hard to come by in the NBA and Lewis averaged at least 20 points three consecutive seasons. So if you had to overpay, Lewis was the right player to do it with. |
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| The Archduke | Jul 12 2007, 11:05 AM Post #102 |
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Do you think another team wouldn't have given Shard his $$$? We all know we kind of held Seattle and any other team in a position since we could afford to give him a max deal over five years. But if everything had fallen through, I have little doubt that Shard would be getting his cheddar somewhere else, whether it be Portland, Houston, or even Cleveland. |
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| Ben Q Rock | Jul 12 2007, 06:12 PM Post #103 |
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Otis Smith says in this story the Sonics wanted Jameer Nelson, J.J. Redick, Trevor Ariza, and two first-round draft picks in exchange for Rashard Lewis. ![]() Making that deal would have allowed us to keep Darko Milicic, and thus have a starting frontcourt of Dwight Howard, Milicic, and Lewis, but it also would have meant our starting backcourt would be Keyon Dooling and Carlos Arroyo. ![]() I think we made the right move. |
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| The Archduke | Jul 12 2007, 06:31 PM Post #104 |
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That's pretty amazing. Could you imagine the blasting the Magic FO would have taken if they would have made THAT deal????? |
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| Ben Q Rock | Jul 12 2007, 06:37 PM Post #105 |
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Yeah, we would have been blasted for that. Honestly, we get blasted for everything we do, because we're the Magic. I don't think it's fair. ![]() But if they made that trade, the Sonics would have been able to field a team of entirely small forwards: Durant, Green, Ariza, Wilkens, and Gelabale.
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The first guy who comes to my mind is Pat, because we all know its a miracle hes lasted this long.




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