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Magic/Sonics Agree to S&T; Lewis to Magic for future 2nd Rd. Pick
Topic Started: Jul 11 2007, 12:06 AM (2,720 Views)
iceveins333
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and the biggest load of bs for the year goes to rashard lewis

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I would have to say at this point in my career it is not about the money. I’ve been through three contracts with the Seattle Supersonics, so I have money saved up.


yeah sure :no:
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Jul. 11 2007 06:46 PM
Well, with Wallace, we wouldn't have had any cap room next year anyway. But take a look at who will be available next summer:

  • Gilbert Arenas (will likely re-sign)
  • Elton Brand
  • Tim Duncan (will likely re-sign)
  • Shawn Marion
  • Jermaine O'Neal
That's one helluva class. :wow:

Yes we would have had no shot at Arenas or Duncan, unless something huge happens in this upcoming season.

Brand and O'Neal are really good, but wouldn't have been as important to us as signing a player like Lewis

Marion has about an equal skill set to Lewis, but I doubt he'll leave Phoenix unless he's traded.

So again I don't see how would we have been better off by waiting.
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I really expect to see us make another move this offseason. Maybe one that looks "bad" on paper, but will help fulfill a need. We're obviously going to need another big man, but we might not have to trade for one if we think someone like Gorat or Augustine can come in and do when we need them to do. All we have to have out of our PF/C bench is some energy, rebounding, and defense. Basically what Bo Outlaw did for years.

I think we are set at the 1-2-3 positions right now. I think we especially need to give our PG's a chance to shine in the new offense with the new coach. But if it doesn't work out this year for one or both of them, then it is probably time for changes. Also I think Dooling and Redick will be perfect 2 guards in our system because our best scorer is playing the 3.
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I think its imperative for Otis to make another move. The current team has a lot of holes.

PG- Nelson/Arroyo/Diener - we should not jump on offering Nelson more money until he has shown that he can actually be more than decent PG. This trio is very weak defensively.

SG - Redick/Dooling/Bogans - one of our weakest spot. Redick has offense but his defense is still just coming around. Bogans can defend but has limited offense. Dooling maybe the most rounded of the trio but he is not consistent.

SF - Lewis/Turkuglo/Ariza - this is our strongest rotation, no question. But we overpaid to get Lewis, and now Turk is redundant.

PF - Battie/Augustine - we don't even have a real starter on this spot.

C- Howard/Gortat/Kasun - after Dwight, we have a couple of unproven players.

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Jul. 11 2007 07:46 PM
I thought the whole idea of doing the S&T with the Sonics was to unload some of out contracts? Otis did it just to pay more money?!? WTF!

Like most of you guys, I love it that we got Rashard, but man, $120M? I am still in shock and I'm trying to figure out why this S&T was allowed. The salaries won't match. Did I miss something?

It works because the Sonics receive a $9 million trade exception, which allows them to take on a larger contract in another trade and not have to pay it. Say Boston wants to dump Theo Ratliff. The Sonics can offer to take his contract and they won't have to pay him anything. Basically, Seattle is a much more attractive trade partner after making this deal.

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Yes we would have had no shot at Arenas or Duncan, unless something huge happens in this upcoming season.

Brand and O'Neal are really good, but wouldn't have been as important to us as signing a player like Lewis

Marion has about an equal skill set to Lewis, but I doubt he'll leave Phoenix unless he's traded.

So again I don't see how would we have been better off by waiting.


Marion wants to be a star somewhere; he's hinted in interviews that he wouldn't mind leaving Phoenix if it meant being The Man someplace else. We could have provided that for him.

But that's moot now. We're handcuffed to one of the worst sports contracts in history.

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I think its imperative for Otis to make another move. The current team has a lot of holes.

PG- Nelson/Arroyo/Diener - we should not jump on offering Nelson more money until he has shown that he can actually be more than decent PG. This trio is very weak defensively.

SG - Redick/Dooling/Bogans - one of our weakest spot. Redick has offense but his defense is still just coming around. Bogans can defend but has limited offense. Dooling maybe the most rounded of the trio but he is not consistent.

SF - Lewis/Turkuglo/Ariza - this is our strongest rotation, no question. But we overpaid to get Lewis, and now Turk is redundant.

PF - Battie/Augustine - we don't even have a real starter on this spot.

C- Howard/Gortat/Kasun - after Dwight, we have a couple of unproven players.


Diener isn't on the roster next season. He's a restricted free-agent and as far as I know he hasn't signed an offer sheet with anyone. I doubt he returns to the team.

Otis seems to think Ariza can play the two, which means Dooling would shift to backup point-guard duty.
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I'm pretty sure we did that 6th year to knock out the other teams that were trying to steal Lewis in the 11th hour. The contract was pretty bezerk, but sometimes that is a necessary evil. We would have looked worse if he went elsewhere for a better deal in the same offseason as the Donovan saga.

PF and SG are my two big problem spots...less so the SG if Redick can improve and Ariza can make the transition.
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We also have a problem at the PF/C spot. After Dwight and Battie we don't have anyone else. Gortat/Augustine will not be enough. I think after the PG spot this should be the priority.
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Jul. 11 2007 10:06 PM

As opposed to the current situation...probably. I'm torn between excitement and shock right now because I am excited about next season, but in doubt about future cap problems.

I am not against Lewis. He is a very good player and a welcome addition to the team. This isn't about him, it's about the fact that no matter how you slice it and dice it, Otis Smith just signed a non-franchise, second option player to one of the biggest contracts in the NBA. That's what I'm angry about. Our capspace is squeezed dry and unless Otis is making any more moves, the Magic have to hope Lewis takes us deep in the playoffs every year (and hopefully wins a championship), because it will be near impossible to trade him and/or get much additional help. That's what I'm unhappy about.

Again, this is not about Lewis. This is about taking a huge, huge gamble on a player who isn't one of the best players in the league. Billups and Carter's contracts COMBINED don't even add up to Lewis' new contract. Whether or not Lewis enjoys a great career here, the bottom line is that right now, at this moment, he is being grossly overpaid. What is our franchise cornerstone, Dwight Howard, going to now be thinking when his contract negotiations come up?

Thank you, you just saved me a lot of time trying to write down exactly what I feel right now.




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I'm sorry but:

Lewis > Wallace and Darko

At least Lewis put up those numbers with Ray Allen on his team, Wallace was really the only option Charlotte had for years and now they are getting some talent to take the load off.  I wish we could have kept Darko too, but we would have had to pay more than  Magic fans would have liked so basically we were screwed either way.


wow, Lewis > Wallace + Darko ??

Wallace is 3 years younger, a waaaay better defender, better rebounder, even has a marginal advantage in teh assists category and is only 4 ppg behind Lewis in the scoring table. Add Darko to the equation and it's a no brainer!

By adding Lewis we created a terrible hole at the 4, and we have 0 dollars to spend on trying to solve it for the next half decade.
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I just got home from an all-day work marathon, and I'm staggered by the amount we are paying Lewis. I wanted him just as much as the next guy, but that's an awful lot of money. Reading some of your posts, I feel a little better about it, I guess. That's just an amazing amount of money. Whoah.

And I'm quite suprised that we weren't able to get anything back in the sign and trade. That's frustrating.

So how much money do we have left now?
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Jul. 11 2007 11:35 PM
I just got home from an all-day work marathon, and I'm staggered by the amount we are paying Lewis. I wanted him just as much as the next guy, but that's an awful lot of money. Reading some of your posts, I feel a little better about it, I guess. That's just an amazing amount of money. Whoah.

And I'm quite suprised that we weren't able to get anything back in the sign and trade. That's frustrating.

So how much money do we have left now?

$0.00
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iceveins333
Jul. 11 2007 07:46 PM
and the biggest load of bs for the year goes to rashard lewis



yeah sure :no:

In that case, why didn't he sign for the minimum?

lol. :(
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Damn, that is an INCREDIBLE amount of money. I just can't wrap my head around that. And I thought 75 million was pretty high...
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Let's see if this makes it any easier for someone.

Just imagine we're paying Lewis what Howard is getting and vice versa. Make anyone feel any better? :)
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Drafting Marbury + Foyle = Championship. \o/
Howard's money before the extension? Hell yeah!

After the extension?
\me still cries in disbelief.
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Jul. 11 2007 10:40 PM
TheFalcon
Jul. 11 2007 11:35 PM
I just got home from an all-day work marathon, and I'm staggered by the amount we are paying Lewis.  I wanted him just as much as the next guy, but that's an awful lot of money.  Reading some of your posts, I feel a little better about it, I guess.  That's just an amazing amount of money.  Whoah.

And I'm quite suprised that we weren't able to get anything back in the sign and trade.  That's frustrating.

So how much money do we have left now?

$0.00

I think we still have some money left to spend (at least this season). I thought we had about $20M to spend on salaries after the NBA announced the cap to be around $56M.

If we can get rid of some of the contracts (Arroyo, Turk, Garrity and Dooling), we can still make another significant addition to the team.
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