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Darko won't play for Magic as long as Smith is GM; I guess so much for Darko..
Topic Started: Jul 3 2007, 08:29 PM (1,234 Views)
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Jul. 5 2007 10:22 AM
I agree. Big men earn a LOT in the NBA but 10 million is just stupid. We can and will do better with a cheaper, more experienced option.

It's a must at this point. :yes:
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Bye bye Busto...
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Hi Guys!

I never was a big Fan of Darko, but I thaught he`s cleverer and has great potantial.

But his character - not calling STV back or can be reached - and his way to handle this along with his Agent shows that he's just a guy which couldn't hold his ffet on the earth. He 's going crazy.

So Darko go away far away I hope to never see you again in Magic-Jersey.

Bye Bye Darko - I don`t miss you

Bye

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1.  LeBron has Larry Hughes.  You may laugh, but adding Hughes helped them reach the finals.  Dwyane Wade has Shaq.  No need to laugh there....Shaq is still a star and can be dominant at times.  2 stars can do it, and seems to be the magic number in the East.  The Pistons have/had an assortment of players.  They are the only real "team" in recent history to represent the East.


I really disagree about Larry Hughes he is been a big disappointment in cleveland and had did nothing in the playoffs. It was leborn doing everything for that team that got them to the finals. Other then a great team defense his supporting cast was awful. I may agree on Wade and Shaq because of the attention shaq gets but this does not take away from the fact that Wade basically did every thing for that team in the finals. But it also did not hurt him that he had a great supporting cast hitting shots. At this point i do not see Dwight being able to do what Duncan, Leborn, Wade, T-mac, kobe does for their team, he is atleast 2 to 3 years form that.


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2.  Dwight is very close to superstardom, on the INTERIOR.  All he needs to work on is free-throws and turnovers.


Howard needs improvement in many other ways, he is not a near finish product. When people say he needs a post game he really does. Dwight still can't do anything outside of 5 feet of the basket, he is not as big as shaq so he needs to add more to his offense game. He also needs to get used to double teams and passing it out. Also add needs to improve his free throws and turnovers and I still think he is 2 to 3 years away from becoming a KG type.

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3.  A "boatful" of All-Stars has nothing to do with going deep into the playoffs.  See:Detroit Pistons.  Cleveland Cavaliers.


When i said boat full of allstars i was referring to the pistons who had 4 in Billups, Hamiton, Wallace, and Wallac. And Prince could also be a future allstar. And i also said one superstar which is Wade and Leborn, this is what i have seen in recent years.

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4.  Either Darko has an ego or Cornstein is making it seem like he does.  His output hasn't merited any sort of increased involvement in the offense as of yet.  He's been nothing more than depth in the frontcourt, with the occasional flash of double-digit point output.  He can't put the ball on the floor, is a shaky rebounder, and is hit-or-miss from midrange.  His best asset is his interior defense.

If all he does is want to play alongside Dwight, the mouth should not have been running yet.  If he wants to be here, patience should be a part of the plan.  Adding Rashard Lewis bolsters an offense that was borderline pathetic at times last season.  Darko's presence would be nice just from the standpoint of depth on the front line.

Darko's speaking up (or Cornstein's, as I've said, we don't really know who is behind this rant) only makes sense if he wanted out of Orlando all along.  He hasn't shown the interior toughness or desire that Battie shows night in and night out, which is why he's on the bench.  As for not "getting to play his game", he's been an integral part of the 2nd team....a few steps up from basically being "towel boy" for Detroit.  He gets plenty of touches when in the game, but never seems aggressive enough to do anything about it.  When he does, it's as often a missed shot/turnover as it is a successful scoring play.


All the talk being done right now is by his agent and his agent is doing what a agent does best trying to get his quenit the best contract.

I disgree darko has shown flashes all season long, what has hurt darko is that he has been up and down the whole season. I think he shot more jumpers the year he got traded here then last season, he barely put the ball on the floor last season until the playoffs which he did quite nicely but i do agree his rebounding was shaky when he started but was great on the bench. The problem is that people seem to forget this is his first full year of actually playing time and he is still young and will keep on improving, a young men will go threw his up and downs.

If Darko was some type of player who had no potienal and was just a role player i don't think Oits would be trying to do a sign and trade with seattle just to keep him. If that was the fact, way not just go after a player like Mikey Morre to play beside Dwight or just let Battie Start. I think the thought of Darko being a good player is still there but a wing was more important do to the fact they areadly have dwight.

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Darko or Lewis?  Lewis every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.  He's a proven player.  Darko has a high ceiling...I'm just not sure he's got the mentality to reach it.  He's soft.  His passive play on the floor stunts an offense.  Defensively, I think he's an above-average player and doesn't allow himself to get down if things don't go his way.  Offensively, he's never shown that he has confidence in his own shot or abilities.


No doubt that It would be Lewis over Darko at this current moment. But i think that Darko celling is to good to pass up. With this Dwight that is 2 or 3 years away from becoming something great in my opinion and Lewis, this magic team won't do anything until Dwight becomes that great player. And with Both Dwight and Lewis making max money it will make it almost impossible to keep or young guys or get few agents. If Dwight is stilling improving and so is Darko, Ariza, and Nelson I would rather keep that team then give it all up for Lewis.

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Let me be clear:  I want Darko to be here.  I'd love for him to cut ties with Cornstein and be a part of this franchise for years to come.  But not because I think he's the next Dirk Nowitzki or because I think he'll mature into a double-double guy.  I want him here because I think he will be what he is now for the rest of his career:  A good interior defender with the potential to have an offensive outburst every now and again.  This team shouldn't be built around a Darko Milicic.  Nor should any team.  And Darko needs to understand that more than anyone else.


I too do not think that Darko will be some kind of Dirk but i also think he will be better then a role player. I would also like to bring in Lewis but if he breaks up Darko, Dwight, Ariza, and Nelson he is not worth it.


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BTW, not looking for a fight.   :happy:


Not looking for one, :@ , lol
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Dang, you guys can type! ;)
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I'm sorry, but I disagree with just about your whole post.  In the Eastern conference, you can win with just about anything.  There is no magic formula.  However, history would seem to suggest that the more "superstars," or "allstars," or whatever that you have on your team, the better off you are.  Looking at the last few years, the Cavs have one, and they got to the NBA finals.  The Heat have two, and they won the NBA championship.  The Pistons have/had four, and they've been dominant the last 6 years, went to the finals twice, and won the NBA championship once.

I think adding Lewis, another all-star caliber player, only pushes us one step closer that level.  Sure, losing Darko hurts.  He was a valuable player and a good contributer, but can we survive without his 8 points and 5 boards a game?  I think so.


The pattern i said before is that you need a team full allstars ala the pistons or a superstar who does everything for his team ala Wade and leborn. And Miami had two superstars in Including Shaq.

At his point the magic don't have even one superstar, dwight has not even reached that point. Unless Dwight and Lewis Blow up i don't see how this team goes far.


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Darko has openly stated, more than once, that he wants to play on a team where the offense is centered around him.  Generally, a team's offense is centered around their best player.  Either Darko isn't aware of this, or he thinks he is the best player.  I'm going with the latter.  Throught his career, he has continually had a whiny attitude about playing time, touches, and coaching.  He went through the same things many young players do, but for some reason he felt entitled to more.  Not to mention his outrageously high salary demands this offseason.  I hope for his sake that he gets what he's looking for, but it doesn't look like it so far.


Darko has also said that he would like to play with Dwight. I think that Darko knows that this team is Dwight's teams if doesn't he is dumb which i don't think he is. All Darko wants is to do is have more of an impact on the team if that means more touches and playing time i will agree because last year i think he was servely underused.

If i was drafted number 2 behind Lebron and then got benched for 4 years heck yea i would be whining for playing time and touches too. But i think the contract damands is all his agent.

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We all know that Darko has a good offensive game, but the reason he was behind Battie and had fewer minutes was because he is still very rough.  He fails to do the little things, which Battie never falters on.  When was the last time Battie didn't box somebody out on a rebound?  When was the lst time Battie didn't hustle down the court?  When was the last time you saw Battie let his frustrations with the refs hurt his game?  Battie was the veteran presence in that offense.  He pulled aside the young guys when they were out of line, he maintained his cool under pressure, and he was a very positive influence on Dwight.  Darko has a good offensive game, and he's a good shot blocker, but the intangibles that Battie brought to the table were also very valuable.  Instead of adopting the JJ Redick attitude of "I'm going to practice and get better, learn from my experiences, and I'll be ready whenever they need me," Darko picked up his own attitude of "I'm better than this and I deserve more touches."  There is a big difference.


Darko is young and is still he improving, he will learn. Battie is a vet he already knows these things and is better severed on the bench.

And I like how people make it out to be that Darko is lazy when he plays basketball year around, lol. Right now he is in Serbia training with his team for the World championships then he will come back to the nba for training camp, I don't even think that Dirk plays for his German team. He did the same exact thing last year.

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I've seen Darko and Dwight play in the paint together too, and last year, that got us 40 wins and a sweep from the first round. At some point, we need to add firepower from the wing. We could have kept Darko this year, and finished with a similar record, and we'd be in the same predicament next offseason. In order to succeed in the NBA, you have to be well rounded. Teams that are stacked with guards (Denver), and teams that are stacked with low post players don't regularly win championships. By aquiring Lewis and losing Howard, we are making a move towards becoming less one-dimensional. The Pistons beat us in the playoffs by focusing all of their attention on Dwight and Darko. What happened? They shut them down and our wing players aren't good enough to pick up the slack.


I don't think that the magic will have the same recored if they kept the same core. This team is young with Darko, Dwight, Ariza, and Nelson, as they improves the team improves. If we didn't get Lewis i would be happy with a Sasha and Peirtus offseason to go along with Darko. Even thou they do not bring the scoring Lewis bring they are good young perimemter players.

And Denver is not a team filled with all guards their bigs are pretty good to, lol. They got Camby (the DPOY), nene (a good post player and rebounder), Evans (a very good rebounder), Najera (a junk yard dog), and Martain (if healthy is really good). If you put these guys next to Iverson and Melo they will be a contender in the west.

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As far as keeping our young players, I'm not sure it would have made a ton of difference. We signed Lewis to around 15 million. Darko is asking somewhere between 10-12. So, by choosing Lewis over Darko, its a 3-5 million dollar risk in the future. Hopefully, that's not enough to break up the core.

Ideally, it would be nice to save cap room to keep the core together, but you can't do that at the expense of being successful. What's the use of keeping the core together if the core is only going to be mediocre? Hopefully, by adding Lewis, we have added to our core, and we now have a 5-6 year window to make a push for a championship.


As of right now nobody could give darko more then the mle, if the magic get a sign and trade deal done with Seattle Darko will get 8 not the 10 million he is seeking.

I said this this before and i will say it again as these young guys improve, so will the team. You are going on the assume that our young guys in Ariza, Darko, Dwight (21 going on 22) and nelson i think is 25 will stop growing, stop improving there for stay mediocre which i disagree with.

I would like lewis on this team because he is a good fit but if we can not keep our core together i do not think he is worth.

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Oh yea, I'm not looking for a fight either


I am not looking for one either :@, lol.


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