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Lewis agrees to sign with Magic
Topic Started: Jul 2 2007, 11:51 PM (2,177 Views)
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Jul. 3 2007 09:39 AM
HELL FUKKING YEAH!!!!! You guys need to stop crying about Darko. s**t, more then half the time he was out there he looked lost, SHARD IS A PERRENIAL ALL-STAR!!

Not necessarily. He only has one all-star appearance in 9 seasons.

Still a great signing, but like others are saying, sucks that we have to pay him as if he were a top billing star. There's no guarantee that he'll improve his numbers next season considering he just got a nice new fat contract. I'm excited, but I'm still hesitant as well.
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Jul. 3 2007 10:23 AM
Maybe I'm missing something, but why does this deal have to be a sign-and-trade with the Sonics? Lewis is an UNRESTRICTED free agent. He can come to us without the Sonics getting anything in return.

If we can get Seattle to agree with a sign and trade that would be great for us. We can sign Rashard outright and Seattle get nothing in return. I think Seattle probably would want some compensation, therefore we could give them Turk,Garrity, and another player for Lewis. This way it is possible to resign Darko too.
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I don't think the News is false because I heard this on Channel 6 in the Orlando and surrounding areas last night & they reported Lewis argreed to sign with Orlano in Princple for 5 years $15 Million Nice Pay Day if you can get it :lol:
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Yeah, s&t means we might be able to retain Darko. I have a feeling Otis is trying to work on this right now.
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Jul. 3 2007 03:41 PM
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Jul. 3 2007 10:35 AM
Yes, we can just sign him. But that'd mean that we only have +/- 3 millions to spend in another player and we'd lose Darko in exchange of a big, terrific, absolutely monstrous ZERO.
Lewis is a SF, and unless SVG wants to play small ball, he won't be playing PF. He's just not that good. And by having Lewis at the SF position we'd have Lewis+Turk+Ariza at the 3 and nobody besides Battie and the almighty Garrity at the 4. And with under 3 millions to spend I doubt we can find another 7 footer, 22yo, skilled guy.

But we can match any offer made to Darko. Sure it will put us over the cap, but if we really want to keep Darko, we can. I think we should trade Turk now anyway for another big man.

Nope, not really. To sign Rashard to the amount the papers are saying it'll be we'll have to renounce to the rights for Darko.
In other words, to sign Rashard means that Darko is now an unrestricted free agent and the maximum we could offer him (just like any other free agent after signing Lewis) is 3 millions (and that's if we also renounce the rights for Kasun and Diener alongside Darko).

And also, why do people think that Seattle will want to have a sign and trade with us? It makes absolutelu no sense for them. Why would they want our junk (apart from Darko and Hedo, all we have to offer is pure junk in the league) and that way lose the salary cap relief they got now?
They lost Rashard? Ok, but they just won a ton of capspace in a team full of youngsters that can become a big player in the free agency next year. Why would they want to sign guys like Arroyo or Turk? They don't need them.

Also, 15 millions/year to Rashard... ffs, is he that good? I don't think so. I wanted us to sign him, but never to those numbers.

I hope I'm wrongm but I have a terrible feeling about this.
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Seattle recieved Theo Ratliff as part of the Boston Trade. He is in the final year of his contract $11 mill. Somebody like Garrity who is in the last year of his contract will be enticing to them, his contract is $3MILL. That would be $14 mill in cap space or relief. I think Dooling and Arroyo is in the last year of their contracts as well.
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And btw, the trade that made fans fall in love with Otis looks dumber and dumber everytime we make a move now.
We just traded Cato's expiring contract and the #15 pick for Arroyo and a year and a half of Darko.
Wow... I'd honestly rather have that 15th pick back.
It's not like we traded for capspace either... Letting Hill and Cato contract expire would have made us have 4.5 more millions of capscape than we have now (Arroyo's contract only ends up next year).

We'd still could sign Lewis and we'd have the bonus of a 4 millions + a first round pick.

wow, just wow...
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That may be true Zuppa, but on the other hand if we didn't have Darko and Arroyo the chances are great that we wouldn't have made the postseason. If we are a worse team, suddenly we are competing with the Bobcats for Rashard's services and might have not been the top destination for coaches this year. Having Darko made us appear to be a team on the rise instead of one stuck in neutral.

Ultimately the 'what ifs' are pretty flawed and we have to deal with the cards we are dealt. We don't even know how that #15 pick will turn out (the guy could be a bust, in which case I would take Cato for Arroyo straight up).
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Good points, B&B.
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Oh guys, check this out. From the Houston Chronicle:

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"Orlando can only sign Lewis to a five-year contract, while Seattle could sign Lewis to a six-year deal. Dutt said the Magic and Seattle are in discussions about a sign-and-trade deal that would give Lewis that sixth-year, help Orlando clear some salary and give Seattle something in return."


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4939905.html

Told you Otis had something up his sleeve. We ain't done with the shopping.
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Jul. 3 2007 11:12 AM
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Jul. 3 2007 10:35 AM
Yes, we can just sign him. But that'd mean that we only have +/- 3 millions to spend in another player and we'd lose Darko in exchange of a big, terrific, absolutely monstrous ZERO.
Lewis is a SF, and unless SVG wants to play small ball, he won't be playing PF. He's just not that good. And by having Lewis at the SF position we'd have Lewis+Turk+Ariza at the 3 and nobody besides Battie and the almighty Garrity at the 4. And with under 3 millions to spend I doubt we can find another 7 footer, 22yo, skilled guy.

But we can match any offer made to Darko. Sure it will put us over the cap, but if we really want to keep Darko, we can. I think we should trade Turk now anyway for another big man.

Nope, not really. To sign Rashard to the amount the papers are saying it'll be we'll have to renounce to the rights for Darko.
In other words, to sign Rashard means that Darko is now an unrestricted free agent and the maximum we could offer him (just like any other free agent after signing Lewis) is 3 millions (and that's if we also renounce the rights for Kasun and Diener alongside Darko).

And also, why do people think that Seattle will want to have a sign and trade with us? It makes absolutelu no sense for them. Why would they want our junk (apart from Darko and Hedo, all we have to offer is pure junk in the league) and that way lose the salary cap relief they got now?
They lost Rashard? Ok, but they just won a ton of capspace in a team full of youngsters that can become a big player in the free agency next year. Why would they want to sign guys like Arroyo or Turk? They don't need them.

Also, 15 millions/year to Rashard... ffs, is he that good? I don't think so. I wanted us to sign him, but never to those numbers.

I hope I'm wrongm but I have a terrible feeling about this.

I guess the new CBA changed the rules that I understood. I thought that you can resign any of YOUR free agents to any price (up to the max obviously) even if it puts you over the cap. Did they change that rule? Or do the Magic just not want to go too far over the cap?
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Jul. 3 2007 05:07 PM
That may be true Zuppa, but on the other hand if we didn't have Darko and Arroyo the chances are great that we wouldn't have made the postseason. If we are a worse team, suddenly we are competing with the Bobcats for Rashard's services and might have not been the top destination for coaches this year. Having Darko made us appear to be a team on the rise instead of one stuck in neutral.

Ultimately the 'what ifs' are pretty flawed and we have to deal with the cards we are dealt. We don't even know how that #15 pick will turn out (the guy could be a bust, in which case I would take Cato for Arroyo straight up).

I see your point, but I disagree :P
For starters, if not having Arroyo and Darko meant we would have been a worse team this year, then we wouldn't be talking about a 15th pick but about a lottery one.
The capspace would be there anyway, so to sign Rashard here would be as easy as it was now. We wouldn't be fighting with the Bobkitties because they were never in the fight for Rashard anyway (from what reports say)... and a team with Howard+a lottery pick+ capspace this year would have been as appealing to coaches as the one we have now (Howard+Rashard+a first round sweep in the Eastern conference).

If Seattle is dumb enough (IMO) to do a S&T, then it's all good. If not, I'm not pleased with this move (or at least, with the numbers involved).
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Jul. 3 2007 05:58 PM
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Jul. 3 2007 11:12 AM
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Jul. 3 2007 03:41 PM
zuppafly
Jul. 3 2007 10:35 AM
Yes, we can just sign him. But that'd mean that we only have +/- 3 millions to spend in another player and we'd lose Darko in exchange of a big, terrific, absolutely monstrous ZERO.
Lewis is a SF, and unless SVG wants to play small ball, he won't be playing PF. He's just not that good. And by having Lewis at the SF position we'd have Lewis+Turk+Ariza at the 3 and nobody besides Battie and the almighty Garrity at the 4. And with under 3 millions to spend I doubt we can find another 7 footer, 22yo, skilled guy.

But we can match any offer made to Darko. Sure it will put us over the cap, but if we really want to keep Darko, we can. I think we should trade Turk now anyway for another big man.

Nope, not really. To sign Rashard to the amount the papers are saying it'll be we'll have to renounce to the rights for Darko.
In other words, to sign Rashard means that Darko is now an unrestricted free agent and the maximum we could offer him (just like any other free agent after signing Lewis) is 3 millions (and that's if we also renounce the rights for Kasun and Diener alongside Darko).

And also, why do people think that Seattle will want to have a sign and trade with us? It makes absolutelu no sense for them. Why would they want our junk (apart from Darko and Hedo, all we have to offer is pure junk in the league) and that way lose the salary cap relief they got now?
They lost Rashard? Ok, but they just won a ton of capspace in a team full of youngsters that can become a big player in the free agency next year. Why would they want to sign guys like Arroyo or Turk? They don't need them.

Also, 15 millions/year to Rashard... ffs, is he that good? I don't think so. I wanted us to sign him, but never to those numbers.

I hope I'm wrongm but I have a terrible feeling about this.

I guess the new CBA changed the rules that I understood. I thought that you can resign any of YOUR free agents to any price (up to the max obviously) even if it puts you over the cap. Did they change that rule? Or do the Magic just not want to go too far over the cap?

AFAIK, we had to renounce the rights have Darko as restricted to give that amount of money to Rashard. I'm not a "cap specialist", lol, but what I understood from it was that we could match any offer for Darko if we were under the cap and not signing anyone.
Lets imagine that we signed Darko for 8 millions/year. That would leave only a few (6 to 8 ) millions left and we couldn't sign Lewis. On the other hand, if we sign Lewis before Darko, we lose the rights to have him restricted.
At least that's what everyone is saying in other places, but I wish you were right and that we'd still be able to match any offer for Darko.
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Jul. 3 2007 01:07 PM
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That may be true Zuppa, but on the other hand if we didn't have Darko and Arroyo the chances are great that we wouldn't have made the postseason. If we are a worse team, suddenly we are competing with the Bobcats for Rashard's services and might have not been the top destination for coaches this year. Having Darko made us appear to be a team on the rise instead of one stuck in neutral.

Ultimately the 'what ifs' are pretty flawed and we have to deal with the cards we are dealt. We don't even know how that #15 pick will turn out (the guy could be a bust, in which case I would take Cato for Arroyo straight up).

I see your point, but I disagree :P
For starters, if not having Arroyo and Darko meant we would have been a worse team this year, then we wouldn't be talking about a 15th pick but about a lottery one.
The capspace would be there anyway, so to sign Rashard here would be as easy as it was now. We wouldn't be fighting with the Bobkitties because they were never in the fight for Rashard anyway (from what reports say)... and a team with Howard+a lottery pick+ capspace this year would have been as appealing to coaches as the one we have now (Howard+Rashard+a first round sweep in the Eastern conference).

If Seattle is dumb enough (IMO) to do a S&T, then it's all good. If not, I'm not pleased with this move (or at least, with the numbers involved).

Haha all good my man. We could go back and forth all day and instead I will just say we do agree on one thing: Let's get a S&T to get some other pieces and celebrate like animals once that's achieved.
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Hell yeah! :D
A S&T being confirmed (I guess we'll only know it by July 11th) would make us all happy.
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