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Topic Started: Apr 28 2007, 10:33 PM (4,375 Views)
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I agree with zuppafly but a coaching change does need to take place. How about trying to get Billy Donovan I mean he did take the FL Gators to 2 NCAA Titles that's more than B. Hill has done! I'd say Billups over Carter but either guy can score but Chancy can do more things than Vince like Assts and Reb & Score ,VC mostly scores only.
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I am intrigued by Billy Donovan. I would take him rather than see the return of Brian Hill.
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I totally agree!!!
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May. 12 2007 11:03 PM
I am intrigued by Billy Donovan. I would take him rather than see the return of Brian Hill.

No doubt about it.
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Apr. 29 2007 01:06 PM
I Know all of you are going to kill me when I say this, but the answer for the point guard is right on our bench "Arroyo". Right now the problem is that Brian Hill style does not favor Arroyo (half court game). Arroyo good years in Utah was because of a fast pace game like. Everytime I watch Deron play it reminds me of Arroyo in Utah. Arroyo shooting ability in Utah was great, because beleive it or not Jerry let him play his game. That's why Arroyo earned a 4 year 16 million contract. Maybe by the end of FIBA basketball tournament all of you may have a different view of Arroyo.

I also understand that this team is built around Howard, but obviously it didn't go very far in the playoff. Howard in my opinion is going to be a turnover machine for the rest of his career, so having said that you have to speed up your game.

What y'all think.

And Sloan started to see Arroyo started to shoot more than pass. Then they went for Deron Williams, who is a pass first PG and a shoot last PG. If he was so good, who wouldn't be on his 3rd team already. He is probably out of here when the Magic get a chance to get rid of him.

Deron Williams is bigger, stronger, and has a way, way better basketball IQ than Arroyo does. He won't take stupid shots like arroyo always does. That's why the Magic wanted to trade Jameer Nelson and their Draft pick 2 years ago for him. would have worked out well for us.

Come on now, Dwight Howard was in the playoffs for the 1st time in his career. And we weren't going anywhere with them turning the ball over, and missing FT's. So they weren't going far anyways.

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May. 12 2007 11:32 PM
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Apr. 29 2007 01:06 PM
I Know all of you are going to kill me when I say this, but the answer for the point guard is right on our bench "Arroyo".  Right now the problem is that Brian Hill style does not favor Arroyo (half court game).  Arroyo good years in Utah was because of a fast pace game like.  Everytime I watch Deron play it reminds me of Arroyo in Utah.  Arroyo shooting ability in Utah was great, because beleive it or not Jerry let him play his game.  That's why Arroyo earned a 4 year 16 million contract. Maybe by the end of FIBA basketball tournament all of you may have a different view of Arroyo. 

I also understand that this team is built around Howard, but obviously it didn't go very far in the playoff.  Howard in my opinion is going to be a turnover machine for the rest of his career, so having said that you have to speed up your game.

What y'all think.

And Sloan started to see Arroyo started to shoot more than pass. Then they went for Deron Williams, who is a pass first PG and a shoot last PG. If he was so good, who wouldn't be on his 3rd team already. He is probably out of here when the Magic get a chance to get rid of him.

Deron Williams is bigger, stronger, and has a way, way better basketball IQ than Arroyo does. He won't take stupid shots like arroyo always does. That's why the Magic wanted to trade Jameer Nelson and their Draft pick 2 years ago for him. would have worked out well for us.

Come on now, Dwight Howard was in the playoffs for the 1st time in his career. And we weren't going anywhere with them turning the ball over, and missing FT's. So they weren't going far anyways.

Arroyo thrives in a running offense, and although Arroyo is not as good a PG as Deron Williams is, nor does anyone claim he is. he did play on a team and for a coach that ran a half court game like Brian Hill does. You want to make him seem as bad as you possibly can b/c your pissed off that he has so many fans. To say that he isnt a pass first PG is just straight up dumb. and based on pure emotion. THere are enough smart fans in here that know better I hope. His whole career he was a pass first guard. Even these very same fans on this board where happy to get a "pass first" pg. I think Keeping it real got it wrong too. Sloan didn't let him play his style. That was the problem. I really dont think Arroyo takes alot of bad shots, I dont think he's a good shooter, but I think he takes shots when he's open, and he's proven that he can play and is an effective PG coming off the bench. It makes no sense to compare him to a starting PG who is clearly a more complete player and is going to be a good player in this league.

Arroyo is the only PG on this team that can actually control the offense. Jameer is more a problem for us than Arroyo is, Carlos just isn't a guy that is going to make or break a team. He just comes in does his thing, sits down. You get what you can from him. However, when your team is banking on a guy (Jameer) to be the "future PG" and he turns out to be so mediocore that even Jameer fans think he's trade bait, then thats a problem. B/c he's your starting PG.

Is carlos's 7ppg 2.3 apg really the problem here, is it his, 1.3 TPG? Or is it the fact that people from his country are proud of him? and he happends to play in a town full of puerto ricans? I'm sorry to offend AGAIN, but I think you have to call people out. Especially when comments are made that not related to basketball, they can't be. There is no way.
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Im sorry but this crap pisses me off. You're so worried about how much better Deron williams than our SECONDED STRING PG!!! WHEN OUR STARTING PG IS A BUMB STIFF...ARE YOU F**king KIDDING ME. You have got to be kidding me.
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You said it all bro, relax. I don't think we should be worrying about how much better Deron Williams is than our PGs, let alone our 2nd string PG as you already stated.
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May. 13 2007 08:39 PM
You want to make him seem as bad as you possibly can b/c your pissed off that he has so many fans.

I agree with a lot of what you said. You and I have squared off many a times over this issue, and I'm not going to beat a dead horse, but criticizing him for being biased is a little ridiculous. Yes, he makes Arroyo sound horrible (which he isn't), but you make him sound great (which he isn't). Personally, I don't think Arroyo is the problem - but I don't think he is the solution either.

Granted, the argument about Deron Williams and Carlos Arroyo is pointless. I think both of our point guards would make excellent back up point guards in the right system (which this is not). I think Jameer had many struggles this year (turnovers, decision making, etc), but there is some validity to the points others have made about Arroyo (there is a reason he cannot find a team in this league, he trouble with shot selection, his attitude has been questioned, etc.) Hopefully we can bring in a solid starter and let these two duke it out for the reserve spot under a new head coach.
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May. 13 2007 11:37 PM
Hopefully we can bring in a solid starter and let these two duke it out for the reserve spot under a new head coach.

Let's hope man. That would be the best thing, because we need a solid PG and head coach.. those are pretty much the most obvious needs for this team. I also think getting a pretty solid scorer wouldn't hurt us, we could use some explosiveness on offense. I don't know though, just gunna have to wait and see if the Magic's front office is thinking the same way as most of the people on this board are.
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May. 13 2007 10:44 PM
Let's hope man. That would be the best thing, because we need a solid PG and head coach.. those are pretty much the most obvious needs for this team. I also think getting a pretty solid scorer wouldn't hurt us, we could use some explosiveness on offense. I don't know though, just gunna have to wait and see if the Magic's front office is thinking the same way as most of the people on this board are.

I agree. I think it should start with a coaching change.

Then whoever we bring in as the new coach should make use of Jameer or Carlos and try to see if he can make it work. I know both of our PG's are better suited as backup PG's, but there is no one really interesting PG on the FA market. Billups is staying in Detroit, Mo Williams will command a big contract, and I am not really sold on Blake.

With our available cap we should (1) sign Darko and (2) find a scorer.

Coaching change is the first order of business though.
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May. 13 2007 11:51 PM
I agree. I think it should start with a coaching change.

Then whoever we bring in as the new coach should make use of Jameer or Carlos and try to see if he can make it work. I know both of our PG's are better suited as backup PG's, but there is no one really interesting PG on the FA market. Billups is staying in Detroit, Mo Williams will command a big contract, and I am not really sold on Blake.

With our available cap we should (1) sign Darko and (2) find a scorer.

Coaching change is the first order of business though.

Yep, that is true. Not many options out there for PG. I think Jameer or Arroyo deserve another shot at the starting role, especially if we get a new head coach in here, as you said. And yeah, Blake really wouldn't be the answer at all.. I'd rather go with Jameer or Arroyo instead of shelling out money to him.

Re-signing Darko is a must, and finding a scorer should be interesting. Any big names available? I'd really love to see us reel in Vince Carter, but I'm not too sure how are chances are with that.
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You summed it up perfectly gomagic...

1) New coach
2) Sign Darko
3) A scorer from the wing

If we can get one of our two point guards to average around 15 pts and 5 asts, and we have a scorer on the wing who can create offense without having to rely on the point guard, plus an extra year of development for Dwight and Darko, we should be doing just fine next year.
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I'm with Falcon and Gomagic on that priorities list. It has become obvious in the wake of the organization's comments that getting Hill replaced is priority #1. Good for the fans :yes:
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Yeah, I think head coach is the #1 priority as well, in my post I wasn't trying to arrange our needs in order. Dunno though, Brian Hill better be gone soon or I have a feeling Magic fans are going to go ape s**t.
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