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Warriors @ Magic Thread; 12/22, 7 PM, Amway Arena
Topic Started: Dec 22 2006, 12:39 AM (1,391 Views)
Brutalfacts
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Dec. 22 2006 09:49 PM
Brutalfacts
Dec. 22 2006 09:46 PM
too bad he couldn't score 118 points...cause he did nothing to help anyone on the floor score.  Don't care about his points, he killed us...ball didn't move, Davis raped him on D....you want a high scoring PG that makes nobody better??  If so you don't want a championship.

Brutal

We're far from any kind of championship anyways. Hopefully Diener can continue to improve and we can move Arroyo. Unfortunately Arroyo is a PR dream and sells many tickets. But if Jameer and Travis were splitting the duties, we would get the best of both worlds.

I say right now...move Jameer...send him to Philly or something. His act is wearing thin here.

I am pissed....this was winnable....and we did everything we could to insure Golden State wins the game. Grant Hill played a great game, Ariza, while letting rebounds slip away still played 38 strong minutes. Howard did what he could, really played within himself EXCEPT on the offensive boards.

Really no excuse for this....

Brutal
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Minus the bad calls again (this is getting too consistently obvious at how horrible officiating is) and the numerous lucky shots/breaks/rebounds we still should've pulled it out. :(

Pietrus and Biedrins got hurt and we couldn't pounce. :(

I love B-Hill, but when you're facing a zone defense the entire game and don't have a 3-point shooter in crunch time of the 4th quarter, there's some serious problems.
They were daring us to take a 3 or a long jumper when Diener went out of the game and we just drove to the hole.
Granted we got to the line, when you can't make free throws, it's pretty useless. :(
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What a sad game... We had that win...

But im loving what i see from Ariza. This dude needs to keep starting. Please B-hill, bring Turkey off the bench (when he comes back)!
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give the jameer bashing a rest brutal. if you think we lost this game because of jameer then you are even more biased than i thought. our offense wasnt a problem at all tonight and we had ball movement while all of our point guards were playing. you make it seem like jameer was hogging the ball and completely stopped the ball movement.

our problem was defense. our BIG MEN couldnt get rebounds when we needed to at the end of the game. i dont see how thats jameers fault. and yes, he did get beat by baron davis, but so did your "gem," travis diener. even ariza couldnt guard davis. so how is that only jameers fault? wow. you are so biased. open your eyes.

this game is blamed on the lack of transition defense and defensive rebounding at key points in the game. i guess brutal doesnt believe in the idea of winning and losing as a team. he blames one or two players (usually jameer and redick) for the entire teams loss. that makes sense. btw, nice lights out shooting by diener tonight. very impressive. you dont see anyone else on this board crying like a little baby and asking for diener to be traded. have some patience. my goodness.

on a lighter note. i think ariza should start when turk gets back. turk really hasnt done anything this season and ariza has been playing very well. maybe turks shooting could improve if he comes off the bench instead. its worth a try, because hes been in a serious funk all season.
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I say right now...move Jameer...send him to Philly or something. His act is wearing thin here.


:haha: :lol: :wow: :D :haha: :wow: :lol: :D :haha:
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Defense, Baron Davis, and Rebounds killed this team in the 2nd half. Davis is a Star players. He is a Magic killer. He has been for the last 5 years. So what if Davis couldn't be stopped. He is a star player who gets his points. The key was you had to stop the players around him. Dunleavy, Peirtrus, Ellis, Barnes all had a great game. You can't just blame Jameer for Baron Davis, when the who game those 4 players lit up the Magic. The bench played awful. Basically the team that lost.

Great game for Jameer, Dwight, Ariza, and Grant.
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3 point shooting. If you can do it, you can beat us. If we could do it, we would win games like this.
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Brutalfacts
Dec. 22 2006 09:57 PM
I say right now...move Jameer...send him to Philly or something. His act is wearing thin here.

:wow:

Jameer's "act" is anything but wearing thin here. He played well tonight and is one of our best players. I dont know what guy you are looking at on the court, but Jameer must be the one you arent seeing. Arroyo sure hasnt been better, and it looks as if Diener is still behind those two on the depth charts...

It sure will be tough to move any of our PGs because all three do something great for the team and the fans would kill if any were traded.
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Baron Davis killed us!! He is having a good season.

Looking at the box score Dwight had the most minutes played but had one of the least number of shots taken. He should be having way more shots.

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Dec. 23 2006 05:28 AM
Baron Davis killed us!! He is having a good season.

Looking at the box score Dwight had the most minutes played but had one of the least number of shots taken. He should be having way more shots.

You know...I understand that I am thought of as a Jameer basher, and that points are seen as the #1 most important stat by most of this board, but that one sentance above pretty much sums up my displeasure with out point guard situation. And its not getting any better.

But you say....Brutal....give it a rest you evil Jameer basher......and I am sure whatshisname who posts I never read had a good time with the Brutal bashing (which does not bother me because even the children need a hobby), but to me it boils down to this....

Jameer, bless his heart, is better suited (game and mentality) to being an off guard. He does not posess the skills and size to be an NBA off guard. He is not a point guard. When is the last time he had say 8 assists, when is the last double diget assist night? Do you get tired of watching the same ineffective play over and over? I do.

Jameer does not find the open people, often puts the ball in players hands in disadvantaged positions on the court, or just piddles on the parameter as the shot clock melts away. Do you think (and I realize these are the best in the business) Steve Nash or Jason Kidd would not find a way to get the ball into our line-ups hands on scoring positions? How about Andre Miller, or Kirk Heinrich, or Sam Cassell? It can be done, but Jameer looks to be making no progress to at least becoming half-way proficient in running an offense. And don't get me started on the defense.

At best, he is a back up PG in this league, the Magic's problem is they have a roster full of at best back-up PG's. Yes, I was pissed last night watching the Warrior back court beat the daylights out of the Magic backcourt, all I am saying is that as fans you have the right to demand MORE and BETTER from your team. If your happy with .500 and a bottom tier playoff position than Jameer is just peachy in your eyes. I am not happy with that kind of team. The parts are here to make a decent run this year, and in sports opprotunities should be taken advantage of, there are no guarantees that the "future" will turn out as planned.

Brutal

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But you say....Brutal....give it a rest you evil Jameer basher......and I am sure whatshisname who posts I never read had a good time with the Brutal bashing (which does not bother me because even the children need a hobby), but to me it boils down to this....


lol. you dont read my posts, yet you respond to them. :haha: i guess if we want to be a top level team, we should have diener start at pg or trade for andre miller or eric snow! :lol: give it a rest brutal. we are a young team and we are 17-11 and one of the best teams in the east. i know thats not saying much, but we are much improved since last year. your problem is lack of patience. you want a quick fix with everything. i really cant express how happy i am that we have a person who actually knows bball (otis smith) as our gm and not you. :haha:
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dxwwf3
Dec. 23 2006 12:40 AM
3 point shooting. If you can do it, you can beat us. If we could do it, we would win games like this.

Been reading what everyone think the problem was for us during this game, and this is the only one that I would say is right on the money. Sure, Baron Davis tore us up for 38. The Magic had 3 20 point scorers. Free Throws weren't the problem as we made the same amount as they did and had the same number of attempts. Rebounds weren't a problem either as we had 46 to their 37 and we had more offensive rebounds as well.

Our problem lies in the fact that they had 9 3-pointers and we only had 2. That's the only difference at the end of the game as we both had about 40 FG's that we made and the same percentage. They shot 24 3's, we only shot 10. That's the difference ladies and gentlemen. That is the difference.

Craig
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Dec. 23 2006 11:47 AM
Been reading what everyone think the problem was for us during this game, and this is the only one that I would say is right on the money. Sure, Baron Davis tore us up for 38. The Magic had 3 20 point scorers. Free Throws weren't the problem as we made the same amount as they did and had the same number of attempts. Rebounds weren't a problem either as we had 46 to their 37 and we had more offensive rebounds as well.

Our problem lies in the fact that they had 9 3-pointers and we only had 2. That's the only difference at the end of the game as we both had about 40 FG's that we made and the same percentage. They shot 24 3's, we only shot 10. That's the difference ladies and gentlemen. That is the difference.

Craig

My, that is simplistic....

One it should have never come to that...

Two...failure to control Davis is what resulted in the open looks....

Geez

Brutal

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seriously. come on, craig. you should know that its always better to over complicate things like brutal does. make basketball seem like rocket science. it makes you look smarter, unless people know better and see right through it. (hint for you, brutal) lol.
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Brutalfacts
Dec. 23 2006 05:01 PM
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Dec. 23 2006 11:47 AM
Been reading what everyone think the problem was for us during this game, and this is the only one that I would say is right on the money. Sure, Baron Davis tore us up for 38. The Magic had 3 20 point scorers. Free Throws weren't the problem as we made the same amount as they did and had the same number of attempts. Rebounds weren't a problem either as we had 46 to their 37 and we had more offensive rebounds as well.

Our problem lies in the fact that they had 9 3-pointers and we only had 2. That's the only difference at the end of the game as we both had about 40 FG's that we made and the same percentage. They shot 24 3's, we only shot 10. That's the difference ladies and gentlemen. That is the difference.

Craig

My, that is simplistic....

One it should have never come to that...

Two...failure to control Davis is what resulted in the open looks....

Geez

Brutal

Let me make it real simple to you. From behind the arc...

21 points for the Warriors. 6 for the Magic. Stop trying to put the blame elsewhere because the blame is all right there.

Craig
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