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Steve Francis; Why all the hating?
Topic Started: Feb 21 2006, 06:44 AM (1,187 Views)
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Feb. 22 2006 02:15 AM

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keeping the ball out of the best players hands , and stopping him from scoring are signs of a good defender


Which is impossible considering that if the person your already guarding is undoubtedly going to get the ball and score if he is that good in the first place. Even when the best defenders in the NBA guard Kobe or A.I. they still light up the scorecard with like 30 points. Stopping the scorer from scoring is also pretty hard for another SG since you would need to DT him or block him alot which would be the job of the C or PF.

It's not impossible to keep the ball out of a players hands as much as possible, Your obviously not going to do it all the time. But a good defender makes an effort to do it as much as possible when it counts the most. A player can get a couple of steals a game, b/c the team throws an errant pass, the ball is knocked away, a player dribbles it off his foot. That's doesnt mean the guy that picks the ball up is a good defender.


And even when I did watch Steve when he was in Houston he was a bad shooter. A CAREER avg. is what he avg's for his CAREER.
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Feb. 22 2006 09:21 AM
it's 32% from the arc.

He tied his career high 21 ppg LAST YEAR, this year it's 16 ppg

This is the 05-06 season you moron. Your fighting a losing battle.

NBA:The Life is a dork. He accused me of looking at the 05-06 stats


THIS IS THE 05-06 SEASON


ROOKIE!!!!! :haha:
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Feb. 21 2006 03:26 PM
ok tony. name the teams, players, date and time when that happened.

Just for good measure:

Indiana Pacers vs. LA Lakers
Fred Jones (2 steals) vs. Kobe Bryant (45 points)
January 9th, 2006

Seattle Supersonics vs. Philadelphia 76ers
Luke Ridnour (3 steals) vs. Allen Iverson (41 points)
January 9th, 2006

Millwakee Bucks vs. Houston Rockets
Michael Redd (2 steals) vs. Tracey McGrady (41 points)
or
Bobby Simmons (2 steals) vs. Tracey McGrady (41 points)
January 23rd, 2006
not sure who was guarding T-Mac that night, but it doesn't matter.

Boston Celtics vs. Cleveland Cavaliers
Lebron James (2 steals) vs. Paul Pierce (50 points)
February 16th, 2006

Pheonix Suns vs. Cleveland Cavaliers
Boris Diaw (2 steals) vs. Lebron James (46 points)
January 15th, 2006

New Orleans Hornets vs. Washington Wizards
Speedy Claxton (2 steals) vs. Gilbert Arenas (43 points)
February 13th, 2006

Golden State Warriors vs. Washington Wizards
Baron Davis (3 steals) vs. Gilbert Arenas (45 points)
February 9th, 2006

Detroit Pistons vs. Milwaukee Bucks
Rip Hamilton (4 steals) vs. Michael Redd (41 points)
January 25th, 2006

Toronto Raptors vs. Sacramento Kings
Mike James (3 steals) vs. Mike Bibby (42 points)
January 29th, 2006

*******************I saved the best for last*******************

Orlando Magic vs. Sacramento Kings
Jameer Nelson (3 steals) vs. Mike Bibby (42 points)
January 16th, 2006




It's happened at least 10 times this years so far. I have no intention of going any further back.
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steals dont equal a good defender. it indicates the player has a nose for the ball. its been said here many times. ;)
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Feb. 22 2006 10:09 AM
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Feb. 22 2006 09:21 AM
it's 32% from the arc.

He tied his career high 21 ppg LAST YEAR, this year it's 16 ppg

This is the 05-06 season you moron. Your fighting a losing battle.

NBA:The Life is a dork. He accused me of looking at the 05-06 stats


THIS IS THE 05-06 SEASON


ROOKIE!!!!! :haha:

OMFG your the moron. He is in a slump, I'm looking at his 04-05 stats because he was still in ORL at that time and he MADE a career high APG, and higher FT%. Your just missing everything I'm saying. Just because he does bad one year doesn't mean he should be in trade talks. Every player in the NBA has a year including Kobe where they reach lows. Should they be traded when they have had REALLY good results the past years and just get bad stats this year? fu*k no. Kobe went from like 30 PPG to 24 PPG and they kept him and he did better than ever the year before. I'm saying stop looking at his stats this year because I KNOW THEY SUCK. Look at his stats before. He has proven himself time and again he shouldn't be traded. But he has to NY so its pointless to argue now. And Btw 34% as a career 3pt % is good idiot.

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It's not impossible to keep the ball out of a players hands as much as possible, Your obviously not going to do it all the time. But a good defender makes an effort to do it as much as possible when it counts the most. A player can get a couple of steals a game, b/c the team throws an errant pass, the ball is knocked away, a player dribbles it off his foot. That's doesnt mean the guy that picks the ball up is a good defender.


And even when I did watch Steve when he was in Houston he was a bad shooter. A CAREER avg. is what he avg's for his CAREER.


Stevie in houston was an All-Star and he was an excellent shooter. He may have jacked them up but he produced results. This year is another story *ahem* slump as I mentioned like 80 times.

Did I ever say only steals makes a good defender? NO! Look at what I said before you post. Yes it is impossible to keep the ball out of the best players hands since every game that person always gets the ball like Shaq or D-Wade. Makes an effort makes a good defender? No thats all wrong, if thats true then like I've said before Mario Kasun is an All-Star defender. Producing results (missed shots on opposing side, steals, hand in his face, blocks, etc. ) makes a good defender.

EDIT: watch it buddy, this is a magic forum, dont try to come over here and start talking like this. calm down.
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Feb. 22 2006 02:32 PM
steals dont equal a good defender. it indicates the player has a nose for the ball. its been said here many times. ;)

I know, I just took it as a personal challenge to find as many as I could. It was fun but educational.

I think the best way to look at defense is the FG%. That would show if shots were being contested, if the defender didn't have too much distance between himself and the shooter and that a hand was in the shooter's face.

When someone scores 40+ points on Rip Hamilton, it shows there is more to the equation.
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Feb. 22 2006 02:44 PM
I know, I just took it as a personal challenge to find as many as I could. It was fun but educational.

oh thats cool. its nothing against you. but it is cool to see all the times "good defenders" get shown up. especially when its a magic player.
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Feb. 22 2006 02:41 PM
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Feb. 22 2006 10:09 AM
Hill2Howard
Feb. 22 2006 09:21 AM
it's 32% from the arc.

He tied his career high 21 ppg LAST YEAR, this year it's 16 ppg

This is the 05-06 season you moron. Your fighting a losing battle.

NBA:The Life is a dork. He accused me of looking at the 05-06 stats


THIS IS THE 05-06 SEASON


ROOKIE!!!!! :haha:

OMFG your the moron. He is in a slump, I'm looking at his 04-05 stats because he was still in ORL at that time and he MADE a career high APG, and higher FT%. Your just missing everything I'm saying. Just because he does bad one year doesn't mean he should be in trade talks. Every player in the NBA has a year including Kobe where they reach lows. Should they be traded when they have had REALLY good results the past years and just get bad stats this year? fu*k no. Kobe went from like 30 PPG to 24 PPG and they kept him and he did better than ever the year before. I'm saying stop looking at his stats this year because I KNOW THEY SUCK. Look at his stats before. He has proven himself time and again he shouldn't be traded. But he has to NY so its pointless to argue now. And Btw 34% as a career 3pt % is good idiot.

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It's not impossible to keep the ball out of a players hands as much as possible, Your obviously not going to do it all the time. But a good defender makes an effort to do it as much as possible when it counts the most. A player can get a couple of steals a game, b/c the team throws an errant pass, the ball is knocked away, a player dribbles it off his foot. That's doesnt mean the guy that picks the ball up is a good defender.


And even when I did watch Steve when he was in Houston he was a bad shooter. A CAREER avg. is what he avg's for his CAREER.


Stevie in houston was an All-Star and he was an excellent shooter. He may have jacked them up but he produced results. This year is another story *ahem* slump as I mentioned like 80 times.

Did I ever say only steals makes a good defender? NO! Look at what I said before you post. Yes it is impossible to keep the ball out of the best players hands since every game that person always gets the ball like Shaq or D-Wade. Makes an effort makes a good defender? No thats all wrong, if thats true then like I've said before Mario Kasun is an All-Star defender. Producing results (missed shots on opposing side, steals, hand in his face, blocks, etc. ) makes a good defender.

EDIT: watch it buddy, dont talk like that. this is a magic forum. calm down.

Well now he can slump in NY. Where he'll still shoot bad.

Why are you looking at LAST YEARS stats anyway, you're brain is equal to ground processed turkey, It doesn't matter he's gone anyway.
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Feb. 22 2006 02:32 PM
steals dont equal a good defender. it indicates the player has a nose for the ball. its been said here many times. ;)

He posted that to prove the rookie wrong. NBA: The Life said just steals make a player good defensivley. :no:
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This is funny. You go to insults because you can't keep up. I'm not gonna even explain why I'm looking at his previous stats because your a pretty slow person. I also said he is in NY now so its pointless to have this arguement. What was it again? OH Yeah!

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you're brain is equal to ground processed turkey


And its your not you're, learn your english foo
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oh, cool. :lol:

but JonBoy418, where do you get all your stats and info? ive been noticing that you are very informed and seem to know alot.
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Feb. 22 2006 02:49 PM
He posted that to prove the rookie wrong. NBA: The Life said just steals make a player good defensivley. :no:

once again I didn't say steals solely make a good defender. If you were paying attention and reading you'd know that.
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Here's what I said.

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Anyway my opinion of a good defender is staying infront of your man, stealing the ball, harassing the ball handler, and getting a hand in his face is a good defender
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Here's another one I said

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Producing results (missed shots on opposing side, steals, hand in his face, blocks, etc. ) makes a good defender.


Where in there do you see " a good defender only steals "? nowhere.....good job heres a cookie
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Feb. 22 2006 02:52 PM
oh, cool. :lol:

but JonBoy418, where do you get all your stats and info? ive been noticing that you are very informed and seem to know alot.

I have a couple of good websites I look up.
The salary one from hoopshype.com helps a lot with financial info. But mostly it's just taking the time and knowing where to look.

I've just always learned that before you write, get all the information first because you never know when your words can be used against you.
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