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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 21 2006, 06:44 AM (1,189 Views) | |
| CLos | Feb 21 2006, 11:07 AM Post #16 |
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Dwight obvious wont be the floor general. Kobe, Rasheed, and Artest know their roles though. Francis doesnt. He wants to do this and that but cant. Play him at SG against the best in the league like Kobe, Ray Allen, or even Michael Redd. We will see how good of a SG he is then. |
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| Black and Blue | Feb 21 2006, 11:11 AM Post #17 |
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Rasheed and Kobe dont seem like the type to refuse to enter a game, miss practice for a birthday party, and tank when they are in because they are afraid of a trade. Artest is a crackhead, so he is another story. NBA The Life, are you Steve Francis? Lets lay all our cards on the table here Just kidding, bud
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| NBA: The Life | Feb 21 2006, 11:14 AM Post #18 |
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your missing the point. I mean I could say that about all the other terrible SG's like Darius Miles, DeShawn Stevenson, and even Jalen Rose *cough* got messed up by Kobe *cough* We will see how good of a SG they are then. Give him a chance and see how it goes by the end of the year since we ain't going anywhere.
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| NBA: The Life | Feb 21 2006, 11:16 AM Post #19 |
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Well I give credit where credit is due. If I did good for a long time and then messed uo once and everyone doesn't want anything to do with me I would be pissed. About missing practice for a B-Day party I think it was Shaq who missed one for lunch or dinner or something like that :hey: |
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| Pitbullz EP | Feb 21 2006, 12:02 PM Post #20 |
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Yeah Darius Mile's 18ppg 6rpg and 1.35bpg is awful. <_< |
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| NBA: The Life | Feb 21 2006, 12:44 PM Post #21 |
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Thats a low PPG for a SG, but you also missed the point as well , slickkid was saying Francis if moved to SG would do terrible agains't the top SG's, when almost all other SG's such as D. Miles, J. Rose, and etc. are a mere shadow compared to Allen, McGrady, A.I., and Kobe. So my point was that Francis would be a good SG just not All-Star SG material.
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| NBA: The Life | Feb 21 2006, 12:45 PM Post #22 |
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But then again Miles PPG isn't that low since he also plays SF so yeah thats pretty decent. |
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| MAGICMANEVAN | Feb 21 2006, 01:03 PM Post #23 |
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he is a SG! hes just listed as PG. he gets some assists and rebounds but his whole game is a SG. hes not a good passer like SG, but a big dribbler and shot-jacker-upper like crawford is. and hes a SG. steve is just short so hes classified as a PG but really his game is as a SG. youve been watching a SG everytime you watch the magic. make no mistake there. |
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| NBA: The Life | Feb 21 2006, 01:04 PM Post #24 |
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I'm noticing something. McGrady said the same thing thats happening now is why he left. The Magic would start to lose games and then they would just point the finger rather than improve. They would just blame him when something went wrong, and when he placed the team on his shoulders and won they wouldn't give him a damn thing of thanks. Its the same with Francis IMO. We got him to turn things around but it isn't going so hot so rather than improve we are pointing the finger and saying shoo. So thats another potential 2nd time All-Star gone. |
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| Pitbullz EP | Feb 21 2006, 01:24 PM Post #25 |
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Because he can't defend. All those great SG's and you want to put an undersized SG that cant SHOOT or defend in the open court let alone in the paint at that spot. Not to mention on a team that plays poor defense as it is. You do know that basketball involves actually stopping the other guy from scoring right. we need a defensive minded player on the wing to stop all those great shooting guards from putting up 40 points on us We have enough scoring, it's about time that we play some hard nosed defense. Those are respectable numbers, Players dont have to put up Tracy like numbers to be good. I think your focusing too much on how many points they score oer game and assesing they're game using just that.. To say a player sucks b/c he's not putting up 30+ ppg isn't logical |
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| NBA: The Life | Feb 21 2006, 02:13 PM Post #26 |
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You missed it again :S , I was saying those stats suck COMPARED to the other SG's from slickkids PoV. Francis can play D, he gets steals and maybe a block if he's lucky, he stays with them. If a SG is gonna score 40 on us he is already a high scoring SG. I mean its not like DeShawn is so much better than Steve. If you watched Steve play you should know that he can shoot. ITS JUST THIS SEASON that he is doing so terrible. What SG can really defend the paint? Like none. Darius Miles is originally a SF its just that sometimes they put him as SG. With the comment of undersized you can look at Iverson= 6 foot, or Larry Hughes = 6-5. Francis is right between at 6-3. He has good D, infact he has way better than than half the PG's and DeShawns D. Travis Diener has 0 defense, Keyon plays D but not that good, and DeShawn can hold people down but he just gets broke or hit on picks. Jameer is the only one that has better D I think than Stevie and he is injured. BAM HERE IT IS! IT starts here! |
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| NBA: The Life | Feb 21 2006, 02:19 PM Post #27 |
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Also the point of a Shooting Guard is to score hence SG. I read the creation of Basketball and SG's are prone to shoot the ball, so scoring should always be good. While 18 PPG is good, its nowhere near Kobe's, T-Macs, Vince Carters, Ray Allens, LeBron James', Allen Iversons', Paul Pierces', etc. the mere 18 PPG is shadowed by theirs. Darius isn't a SG he multitasks with Blocks, and Rebounds while the others score and steal. |
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| Pitbullz EP | Feb 21 2006, 02:21 PM Post #28 |
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You missed it again :S , I was saying those stats suck COMPARED to the other SG's from slickkids PoV. Francis can play D, he gets steals and maybe a block if he's lucky. If a SG is gonna score 40 on us he is already a high scoring SG. I mean its not like DeShawn is so much better than Steve. If you watched Steve play you should know that he is doing so terrible. Like none. Darius Miles is originally a SF its just that sometimes they put him as SG. With the comment of undersized you can look at Iverson= 6 foot, or Larry Hughes = 6-5. Francis is right between at 6-3. He has good D, infact he has way better than than half the PG's and DeShawns D. Travis Diener has 0 defense, Keyon plays D but not that good, and DeShawn can hold people down but he just gets broke or hit on picks. I think than Stevie and he is injured. [/QUOTE] Are you serious? You can't be serious right?
Let's see a CAREER 33% 3pt shooter....awsome :|
One that is tall enough to challenge the guy that's posting him up. See this is how it works, when a guy is 6'6, 6'7 he's able to shoot over a guy that's freakin 6'3. Especially one that is know to the rest of the universe as a mediocore defensive player. I'm not talking about a SG guarding a PF here, use common sense. AGAINST OTHER SG'S :O
How often was AI guarding Kobe? and what position is he playing now? Larry huges isn't undersized AND he's a defensive player. <_< Francis is undersized and he plays no D. bad combination.
This is funnier than steve being a good defender. |
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| NBA: The Life | Feb 21 2006, 02:29 PM Post #29 |
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http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_francis/index.html Yeah the stats don't lie. He gets atleast 1.5 SPG its just this season like I said a million times before where he is reaching alot of lows. He can play D and he can shoot and if you say no then you haven't seen Francis in Houston or his first year in Orlando. I mean if your talking about this season then I can say MJ licked big n*ts with his career low year with his low stats and can't play D. Francis is just in a slump, he will undoubtedly bounce back and be his normal self if not better as he is reaching the age where most reach their prime. |
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| Pitbullz EP | Feb 21 2006, 02:48 PM Post #30 |
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http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_francis/index.html
the amount of steals you avg doesnt make you a good defender. Staying in front of your man, keeping the ball out of the best players hands , and stopping him from scoring are signs of a good defender. Someone else can slap the ball away, but it's who picks it up that gets a steal. Not the guy who knocks it out of the offensive players hands. Dude, 33% from 3pt land is awful, especially for a guy that doesn't take many three's. |
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your missing the point. I mean I could say that about all the other terrible SG's like Darius Miles, DeShawn Stevenson, and even Jalen Rose *cough* got messed up by Kobe *cough* We will see how good of a SG they are then. Give him a chance and see how it goes by the end of the year since we ain't going anywhere.
, slickkid was saying Francis if moved to SG would do terrible agains't the top SG's, when almost all other SG's such as D. Miles, J. Rose, and etc. are a mere shadow compared to Allen, McGrady, A.I., and Kobe. So my point was that Francis would be a good SG just not All-Star SG material.


3:32 PM Jul 11