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| The vent about the Magic thread; What can't you stand about the Magic? | |
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| Black and Blue | Mar 22 2005, 01:35 AM Post #1 |
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X0 All right, you guys have all been awesome with your assessments of how inexcusable this most recent loss to the Bobcats was. We were up by 16, and they had a 10 game losing streak coming in (so I hear). It was one of the worst losses to take as a Magic fan in a while, and that is saying something. It is obvious we all need a bit of time to vent after this loss, and maybe future ones too, so I thought I would just create a little harmless thread to just get hear what you guys can't stand about the Magic this year. We obviously love our Magic, and know them better than anyone, but they can break our hearts sometimes. Okay, without further ado: the list of things I personally can't stand about the Magic this season: 1) We took VERY long to fire a coach everyone, including Weisbrod, knew was pretty much unfit to be a coach. Our attempts to try to 'wait it out until the end of the season' didnt even come to fluition. Davis is another post in himself, so I'll let this encompass all his stuff. 2) We can't seem to blow out teams. Sure we did it a few times, including recent games against the Nets and Knicks, but we are a team that gets a lead and immediately lets our guard down. All of our games appear to me to be 12 point losses or 2 point wins. 3) We don't go into games with easy teams mentally prepared. Every fan on this board seems to have complained at some point about us beating a great team one night and losing to, well, the Bobcats the next. 4) Our attempts to give starter's minutes to role players has resulted in extremely streaky play. Turk, Cato, Stevenson, and at times Nelson have proved to us that they are meant to be situational players who are meant to be benched when cold and used when hot. Turk seemed to be hot a lot when I saw him on my second favorite team, the Kings, but that's because I forgot Adelman would leave him on the bench when he started off 1-9. 5) We appear to be having an identity crisis. One day we are trying to make a push for a good spot in the playoffs, the next we are dumping players in a rebuilding mode for next year's payroll. I have a feeling the latter is the more important in Weisbrod's mind overall, but the fact is that we had an amazingly good team at the year's start that could have very well contended in the east. 6) We can NOT stop teams running against us. When it rains it pours in Orlando, meaning a spot of momentum for the opposing team very quickly turns into a 14-2 run against us. I thought Davis' firing would help this, but tonight proved me very, very wrong. 7) Too many of our players are irritatingly immature. This is understandable from the rookies to a certain extent, but amazingly our vets seem to be doing the bulk of the childish crap. Shooting sex lotion at reporters, punting balls, firing at one another in post game interviews, and kicking photographers are the way things get done around here. Allen Iverson would improve the maturity of this team, which is sadly not a joke. 8 ) Steve Francis is a baby who has dragged the team down several times this season. I know he is a fan favorite, but like I said this is a personal list. He has mouthed off about his teammates and the team extensively from before he even got here to the present. He had that missed practice incident on his birthday that killed the will of the Magic momentarily. He is currenly suspended. He is once again a league leader in technical fouls that add up to a lot of free points for the opponents. He whined in one of the most pathetic displays in nba history following the trade of Cuttino Mobley. Notice I didn't say anything about turnovers or ball hogging, just the stuff he CAN control but chooses NOT to. 9) Our bench sucks. We have to face it guys. It is rough to be on the board during a Magic game because all you read is "Get Howard back in there!" and "Get Hill back in!". Part of this is obiviously Davis being stupid, but regardless we wouldn't say it if our team was deeper and could give our starters more help. 10) Finishing out quarters is impossible to these guys. Once again, a sign of immaturity. The Magic see there is only 2 minutes left until the half, until the end of the third, until the game is over, and they relax. I would count how many games we had 10 point leads with 2 minutes left before halftime that ended up being up 1 or down 1 by the half, but I dont think there is a number that high (infinity plus one?). Anyways, there is my list. Can't wait to hear what you guys have on yours. |
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| gomagic33 | Mar 22 2005, 01:53 AM Post #2 |
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11) 3rd Qtr mental lapses I don't know what the heck the coaching staff and the players are doing during halftime. Whatever, it is, they should think of making a change on their halftime preparations so as not to lose their focus. 12) Postgame interviews . Please stop telling us fans what we already know. It's annoying when its obvious even to casual fans what "we are doing wrong". Why not change it to something constructive like "We will do drills in practice to correct this/that until they all drop dead." 13)Francis dribbles too much and forces too many shots . When you have a teamate way ahead of you in the fastbreak, for God's sake, give him the ball. This is the NBA and not streetball. Style points or passes is of lesser important than getting the ball to your teamates and not getting a turnover that swings the momentum of the game to the opposing team. 14) That we don't develop players the right way and keep them. How many players have we lost (and that played great somewhere else)? I've lost count already. |
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| Black and Blue | Mar 22 2005, 02:00 AM Post #3 |
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Number 12 and 13 are hilarious and TOTALLY true, lol! |
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| MagicMadness | Mar 22 2005, 02:19 AM Post #4 |
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You guys are right on with most of your comments, and the ones that stick out the most to me are the ones that involve management. Here is my take on why the franchise has given up on so many young players over the years: As most of us here know, before last season the Magic were enjoying eleven straight seasons of .500 or better basketball. But, ever since the Hardaway trade, the team had been producing near .500 seasons over and over, stuck in the mediocracy of being not bad enough for the lottery, but not good enough to make a splash in the playoffs. Because of this, management has constantly been trying to make that "one or two extra moves" that will turn the club around - hence the trading of young talent. If we were a very bad ball club, we'd see more of the young players still with us today, in an attempt to rebuild. Kind of the way the Bulls are just now starting to become a decent team, using a lot of the young talent that they've accumulated over the years from the draft. I know my post was a bit off-topic, but it was something that I had been thinking about earlier in the day... |
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| MagicMadness | Mar 22 2005, 02:35 AM Post #5 |
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15) The lack of fan support in Orlando. The Orlando Magic are the city's only professional sports team, and a "product" that has helped put the city on the map. Sure we've got Disney and all the theme parks, but do citizens of our fair city not want a sports team to call their own? I'm sick of people voting not to use tourist money - which cannot, I repeat cannot, be used to fix roads, help schools, etc. - on helping to build our only link to professional sports a new arena. Not only does a new arena benefit community moral, but it brings in more tourist money, bigger concerts, and better arena events. I'm also sick of hearing people say "I was a fan when Shaq and Penny were here, but when they left I quit caring so much". f**k you, casual fan, and f**k you for not being there when the team is down on its luck. Which takes me to my next part...we need the casual fan. I can be pissed off at them all I want for not caring, but that's just it - we need to win to get these lazy fair weathered fans buzzing about the team again. We need a new arena so these people say "wow this place looks cool, I'll go because I care about the place my team plays in more than the team itself." Sadly, this is the truth. I just don't want to see the Magic ever leave... |
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| roysterdude | Mar 22 2005, 11:01 AM Post #6 |
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16) Some players looking for their own shot first. Like Francis, Jameer is prone to do it too, as well as Hedo, and now Stevenson, Hill is the only one who is a consistent scorer (with the highest FG%) you can't blame him for looking for his shot. 17) The lack of good and consistent 3 point shooters. Pat Garrity has not done much this year, Hedo and Jameer are too inconsistent. 18)Where is the D in Defense? Is this team going to ever be able to play solid defense? I have my doubts. Let's get solid defensive players next year, this year we already know what the current players can do. |
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| Black and Blue | Mar 22 2005, 11:18 AM Post #7 |
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Roysterdude, really true ones. MagicMadness, I love the cursing! It's awesome to see a moderator with passion! 19) Our team gets in funks and stays in funks When the going gets tough, our team doesn't get going. We prefer to slide for a while,because our team morale practically has to dig itself out of a grave whenever we suffer a loss. |
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| melbournemagic | Mar 22 2005, 01:13 PM Post #8 |
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Think about a bunch of third graders that get a substitute teacher (talking about Davis) or some kid that get a new stepfather. They don't really know this guy, they see how much they can get away with without being punished. If they see the new guy is a pushover they loose respect for him. What we have now is a result of that. Its a total lack of DISIPLINE. |
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| MAGICMANEVAN | Mar 22 2005, 01:51 PM Post #9 |
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you know there is so much in common with last year. bad defense, streaky offense. losses to bad teams. and more s**t. but i thought that stuff would clear up from last year since we got a ton of new players. but this stuff is still happening, and it proves that it is the magagment, gm, and coaches that are not doing what they need to do to make this team a great one. |
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| c4ac5 | Mar 23 2005, 07:24 PM Post #10 |
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as far as not developing talent that was mostly past coaches/and especially gabriel the former gm,he was absolutely horrible at drafting players.but if this organization keeps howard/nelson/turkoglu they should be fine as long as they find some good role players to go around them.Hill will be around a couple more years.If francis doesn't play good down the stretch u can kiss his A*S goodbye,i can almost give you an 110% guarantee on this topic after seeing how weisbrod dealt with mcgrady. |
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