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Scale effect painting; Is there a general rule of thumb?
Topic Started: Sep 19 2012, 06:53 PM (1,075 Views)
Drewe
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peebeep
Sep 19 2012, 10:49 PM
I don't buy the whole scale effect thing and over the years have seen some beautifully painted models, except that the colours looked washed out and lifeless.
Which neatly illustrates how subjective it is, because I've often seen smaller models done with paints straight from the pot that look dark and lifeless! I think the washed out and lifeless effect will be due to poor choices in lightening colours. A lot of colours will react badly to adding white- dark greens and browns especially.

Interesting that, as ever, this subject quickly expands to two pages and appears to be quite polarised, albeit in a relatively benign manner on here!

I'm in the "likes to lighten" camp for the majority of the time (especially with darker schemes to avoid a black hole of a model) but couldn't care less about the pseudo-science of it, it's just about how I want it to look compared to my mental image.
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Mike W
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Drewe
Sep 20 2012, 10:15 AM
but couldn't care less about the pseudo-science of it, it's just about how I want it to look compared to my mental image.
...and that is the sound of the nail being hit on the head for me.
Exactly how I feel about it. :like:
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peebeep
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Drewe
Sep 20 2012, 10:15 AM
I think the washed out and lifeless effect will be due to poor choices in lightening colours. A lot of colours will react badly to adding white- dark greens and browns especially.

Another nail hit on the head. I think there's a lack of understanding that adding white (or black) can shift the hue of the original colour and that another colour may need to be added to compensate for this.

peebeep
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Mentalguru
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I also agree 100% with what Drewe said.

We can talk about scale colours etc, but if we transfer the debate to weathering- say panel lines, it is soon apparent that personal taste rules here also. A bit of highlighting, a light wash, a few pastels or chips, or what have you, it's all cooking, but like too much chilli, oregano or vinegar, the meal can be ruined by adding too much

I also agree with PB re the shiny decals on a worn finish thing- totally get that.
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desmojen
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Drewe
Sep 20 2012, 10:15 AM

Interesting that, as ever, this subject quickly expands to two pages and appears to be quite polarised, albeit in a relatively benign manner on here!

Yeah, for god's sake someone throw a wobbly. Right, that's it, I'm off! :fool:

Jen.
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peebeep
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desmojen
Sep 20 2012, 11:44 AM
Yeah, for god's sake someone throw a wobbly.
If you insist.

:frantic:

:uxb:

peebeep
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The Hooded Claw
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Walrus
Sep 19 2012, 08:41 PM
How is it in any way ballcocks? I think it is nonsense to try and paint a 1/72 model expecting the colours to appear like they would on the real thing.

However a lot of people, myself included, do so as is our prerogative. But if someone asks how it might be done that is a fair question that should be the issue to be addressed.

Drewe has called it absolutely correctly imho

Doug, it isn't something I have looked into so can't really help.
I have enough problems even getting to the painting stage so am just glad to slap some paint on.
The one thing I would say is that I don't like adding white to lighten colours for modelling

One way to do it would be to have a lighter base colour than the standard colour and build up thin layers.
I've been modelling all subjects for over 30 years and I've never once utilised any of the current fad of modulated, filtered, toned or whatever painting.

Its just a personal preference, mine is to call it bollocks.

Now you know why I build shiny things now a days.

Bright red is bright red no matter how you call it.

THC (off to polish something blue!)
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foxy
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heraldcoupe
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A few years ago, Corgi used one of my cars as the subject of a model. We were presented with an example of the model as a thank you for helping with the research. The model however looks much, much darker than the subject vehicle.
The paint is an exact match to the subject colour,something which I've checked thoroughly, but on a 1/43 replica it just doesn't work.

I'm not a slave to colour in my models, I try to get the overall impression right. That means adjusting colours by eye until I think they look OK, which invariably means lightening them from the technically correct colour. But no-one else has my eyes, nor I theirs....

Cheers,
Bill.
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harrierdoug
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some very interesting view points for me to ponder, sorry if it opened up some old wounds so to speak, the reason I actually asked the question is that I am building a German F-4F phantom in 1/72 and another in 1/144 the only thing is the colours I intend to use on the 1/72 are from the Xtracolor RAL range, but these colours look totally wrong on the smaller kit, far to dark.

As I say thanks for your comments/observations, now can we please put the dummies back in the pram and play together nicely! lol.
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Drewe
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harrierdoug
Sep 20 2012, 06:29 PM

As I say thanks for your comments/observations, now can we please put the dummies back in the pram and play together nicely! lol.
You're joking aren't you?!? This is thread about scale colour man! It cannot be declared closed until it has degenerated into abusive name calling and casual animosities resulting, inevitably, in someone spitting the dummy and announcing "I'm leaving the forum!". Then, and only then can it be deemed to have been a thread about scale colour which has reached it's natural conclusion, you RAL dropping poltroon! :wooo:
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foxy
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I Drewe that conclusion at the start that this might run(paint) for some egon and it has prooved the point.

Well I think time has come to "paint" draw a close to this scale of events and effect an end to the painting jokes.

I have told him upstairs, but his answer is stuff a worm in it,'I tell yur' :D :wooo:
Edited by foxy, Sep 20 2012, 08:50 PM.
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Floyd
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LOL, this has to of been one of the most civil discussions on paint and scale effect I have yet been in, Must admit I have learnt a few tips and tricks from this discussion, now to test them all out.
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desmojen
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Hey! I said I was outa here ages ago. Pfft, no-one ever listens to me *huff*

Jen.
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Mentalguru
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Only REAL modelers scale paint
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foxy
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Hmmmm. :wicked:
Edited by foxy, Sep 21 2012, 09:18 PM.
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MikeC
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foxy
Sep 20 2012, 08:34 PM
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Well I think time has come to "paint" draw a close to this scale of events and effect an end to the painting jokes.
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Perhaps a Mod can airbrush such jokes out ...

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Phreak
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MikeC
Sep 21 2012, 04:54 AM
foxy
Sep 20 2012, 08:34 PM
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Well I think time has come to "paint" draw a close to this scale of events and effect an end to the painting jokes.
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Perhaps a Mod can airbrush such jokes out ...

:wicked:
You're right Mikey, I have not been particularly enamelled by the quality of the puns.
Edited by Phreak, Sep 21 2012, 07:02 PM.
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Phreak
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Scale effect or not.......there is only one way to find out

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