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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 25 2011, 07:57 PM (5,314 Views) | |
| cookie | Apr 25 2011, 07:57 PM Post #1 |
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Hello All! Ok so for my first serious project I'm building the Tamiya Challenger 1 mk 3, I'm going straight out of the box with this one with a few small things added on at the end. I'm going to be building and painting her as the Gulf War model, I've also gone for the Dragon Desert Rats infantry which may form part of a diorama at a later date.   I've built a few tanks in the past but this is my first serious effort, its also going to be my first use of an airbrush to paint it. Ive got myself the revell starter airbrush kit and will be spraying it with revell aqua colours. Ok enough chit chat lets get building! Started with the wheels, I've made a few chips to the tyres.   Got the lower hull put together next, I'll attach the wheels after painting.   Next the upper hull, again I've left off the tools which I'll paint then attach.    Extra armour plates, side skirts etc...    Lastly on to the turret, Ive only left off the GPMG on this, Ive gone with the mesh basket on the side rather than the tool box which I intend to put a camo net in... Ive made a practice one out of bandage, PVA glue and tea leaves any advice on this would be greatly appreciated!!   I was going to start painting tonight but for some reason my new airbrush has packed up already!! blooming thing! |
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| fatfingers | Apr 26 2011, 03:22 PM Post #2 |
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Aye up cookie. Nice start. Will follow this one with interest. Built this kit many years ago and made a right pigs ear of it! From what I remember it was a lovely kit and went together nice and easy. Still have the Chally 2 in the stash to build, but the desert camo puts me off. Might just have to go with green! Looking forward to seeing more, especially the Desert Rat figures. Regards, Steve |
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| foxy | Apr 26 2011, 04:45 PM Post #3 |
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Hi cooke mate. Not built an armoured/softskin after 1945 kit yet, will follow this also with interest. Those Dragon D/R Infantry look good and if there up to Dragons usual standard they will be top notch. Great start there  |
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| snipersmudge | Apr 26 2011, 06:46 PM Post #4 |
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great work, the bandage,pva and tea leaves is one of my favourite methods for camo nets
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| cookie | Apr 26 2011, 08:01 PM Post #5 |
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Thanks all, ok time for a quick update. got a new airbrush today and a tin of tamiya grey primer so the house has smelled a bit today! I'm still trying to figure out how to use the airbrush properly its currently very blotchy and drippy, think i'm not getting the right mixture of paint to thinner or just using the wrong paint all together... so on to a few photos of the newly primed Challenger...       I've now stuck on most of the rest of the little bits, Ive decided to paint them on the tank, just need to give them a quick cote of primer and then onto the first coats. You'll have to excuse my ignorance but I'm used to painting with a brush and not even bothering with a primer etc... but I've seen the light.... ok so a few questions if anyone can help...1) whats the best paint for airbrushing? I have a mixture of Tamiya, Revell enamel, Revell Aqua Colour and Humbrol enamels any of those any good??? 2) I keep reading that people use a layer of Klear to seal the paint.. as in Klear the floor polish?? I got myself some Humbrol Clearfix is that the same stuff??? 3) for my next project I want to make the Challenger 2 from Tamiya and am looking at Photo Etched parts and metal barrel and working tracks, are they worth it? if so are they uber fiddely? And lastly I got a bit carried away with the figures last night, I have a really bad habit of wanting to paint everything in one go not really allowing the paint time to dry, so he needs some neatening up but here is my first figure...  Any comments and advice is always appreciated! I'll have more soon! |
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| cookie | Apr 26 2011, 08:08 PM Post #6 |
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Hey Steve! On the Chally 2, Its going to be my next project too, If you do decide to go desert let me know and I'll dig out my photos from Iraq, I'm sure I took quite a few pics of the Challys bombing about, If I remember correctly they were also largely still green. I've got quite a few reference photos of current armour kicking about. Cookie. |
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| snipersmudge | Apr 27 2011, 05:09 AM Post #7 |
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very quick work on the chally and the figure looks rather nice as to your questions here are my answers, Paint wise it is a matter of personal choice. My advise is to use and old scrap model and practice spraying various paints onto this first until you are comfortable using the airbrush. Personally I use Tamiya, Gunze and Vallejo acrylics. I find with the Tamiya and Gunze paints that thinning them to the consistency of milk works well. Yes you are correct it is Klear floor polish that we spray on. This is used to seal the paint ready for decals/ weathering and I spray it on in a couple of thin coats. You can use the new formula klear which works just as well. Don't know about the humbrol clearfix though never used it As for your next project of a challenger 2 the only thing I would recommend is the Tamiya etched set which gives you the mesh for the rear deck grills. The kit barrel is fine and as the real thing has extended side armour plus skirts you would not see much of the replacement tracks so for me the kit ones are fine. The kit is a joy to build. hope that helps you Pete |
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| seanrgb | Apr 27 2011, 02:20 PM Post #8 |
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Good stuff so far
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| foxy | Apr 27 2011, 05:21 PM Post #9 |
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I like the figure of the Infantry, but mind the join line's of the mold. As for spraying, you might try to use 40-60 to start with now you have the base coat on for the first three coats of sand I take it, Tamiya needs to be watered down with Tamiya thinners, 'some use water' you can use water but recommend the first. Try some different pressures, say 20 to start for overall spraying and for fiddly bits I use 10 and under, thats my preference, but as sniper say's try it on some older kit or plastic first. Great looking so far
Edited by foxy, Apr 28 2011, 01:14 PM.
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| cookie | Apr 27 2011, 09:22 PM Post #10 |
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Thanks all! I'm starting to come to the conclusion that its the airbrush itself that is the problem and not paint mixture, I'd only bought myself a basic starter set, i mean very basic, its air can fed rather than compressor, even when I have the paint consistency right it still is spraying the ocasional paint blob out! I think I may have to go for a decent compressor /airbrush combo. also its far too wide spray, was setting it up to do some preshading, got the consistency right and started to practice on the chieftan shell that has become my new practice model, I think I need an airbrush with finer attachments and get me some better paints for spraying. Are enamels worth using at all or are acrylics best? Also do you reckon its possible to paint the preshading by brush or would that look a bit pants? I'm thinking it'd probably be too thick? Also I'm wondering which way to go with the paint job, my two options are paint a base coat of nato green then salt chip sand colour over the top since most likely all the challengers were over painted, or just paint her sand colour and do the weathering back to bare metal / rust etc.... I'll have a think! First effort on the cam net, wierdly the flash brings out unpainted bits that cant be seen by the naked eye, also it makes it look a bit light than it actually is. this fits neatly in the side cage on the turret.  Thanks for your help and suggestions! More tommorow! |
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| snipersmudge | Apr 28 2011, 07:35 AM Post #11 |
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I would defiantly recommend getting a decent airbrush and compressor. Yes you can add the pre shading with a brush no problem as the main colour will cover up most of it and you are really only looking for a hint of the pre shade to show through. As for what is best acrylics or enamels it's really down to personal choice. I only ever use acrylics basically because they dry quicker, are less toxic and cleaning airbrushes etc. is much easier. As for the painting and how to achieve the wear seen on challys during the gulf war I would say green then salt chip would be the way to go or as I did on my chally 2 spray the base colour then using a combination of fine brush and sponge add the green on areas of wear. Below are a couple of pictures of my model to illustrate the method.   hope that helps you out Pete |
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| foxy | Apr 28 2011, 08:28 AM Post #12 |
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Two beasts for the price of one, nice ilustration Hope to see more of this Cookie mate. 
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| cookie | Apr 28 2011, 10:33 AM Post #13 |
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Hey all, So I got fed up of playing around with the airbrush and decided I'd have a little experiment, so I thinned down some dark grey acrylic paint and used it as a wash over the tank, I then wiped it mostly off so it acted as preshading, as you can see its worked quite nicely at getting into the recesses and has worked when the first coat of desert has gone on. I have to admit I've cheated on that as well, its out of a can, humbrol acrylic desert yellow. so the first coat has gone on nicely and ive got myself some clearcote to seal it on,   I think it worked particually well on the front armour    on to the first coat I messed up slightly here and oversprayed it, wiped it of and resprayed it which has left it looking a little brush painted  I'm liking how the preshading has really made the grills stand out here     It seems kind of funny to spray a model grey then back to the original colour, whilst uploading the pictures I nearly put on one of the bare plastic! also got the Tamiya Modern U.S. equpment set to add some stowage, most of it is not right for this model but the tarpaulin and sleeping mats will add a bit of life to her. I tried making one out of plastacine as practice before making out of milliput but it didnt look right. more soon! |
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| foxy | Apr 28 2011, 01:11 PM Post #14 |
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That grey looks good Cookie mate. Nice idea |
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| cookie | Apr 28 2011, 02:45 PM Post #15 |
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So I've been motoring on today, in between tidying up the house! Once the base coat had dried I gave her a quick airbrush of mattcote varnish, and a couple of hours later once that had dried the first wash, a very light coat of citadel greyphone sepia wash with the excess being wiped off any open surefaces I also neatened up anywhere the spray had missed. Next onto the start of the detail painting, painting the road wheels was as emotional as usual! after 3 I was annoyed, after 6 standards started to slip and after 12 I was a broken man!   Ive painted the detail all shiney and new and will weather it to death! the metal parts on shovels and picks are normally painted nato green so ill paint that over the top leaving usual wear and tear showing through witha bit of rust.   Even the GPMG is painted silver for now, it will go its correct black colour later.  here is the extra stowage that will be stuck on her for now, I may add some more, I need to make a tarp cover for the stowage bin at the front.  next - paint the tracks, finish the detail and begin the weathering! also getting a little concerned by the photos... they seem to be showing areas that look unpainted but when I look at them they are... confused 
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| fatfingers | Apr 30 2011, 08:21 PM Post #16 |
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Aye up cookie, Thanks for the offer of the Chally 2 photo's. Would be very happy to take you up on them! Your model is coming along very nicely. I know what you mean about the road wheels, I often loose the will to live after i've painted one! Got my self a cheap circle template from WH Smiths. Spray them all black and then find the approriate size hole in the template and spray the colour. Simples! Saves a lot of heartache I can tell you  As for the photo's, the camera never lies! Was once told by a fellow modeller to look at your 'finished' piece in a mirror and you will see lots of bits that the paint has missed!  Believe me it works!!Looking forward to seeing more. Regards, Steve |
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| seanrgb | Apr 30 2011, 08:26 PM Post #17 |
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Brilliant stuff so far on your build looking forward to seeing some more
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| cookie | May 1 2011, 03:38 PM Post #18 |
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Hey all! Thanks for all your help and comments. So I wanted some inspiration and some better ideas of what certain things were and what colour they were so I took the missus off for a romantic day at the Bovington tank museum! Which was very helpful when making a Challenger 1 as there appear to be several of them about. got myself some excellent reference photos and some ideas for future projects!Ok here is where we are at. Got alot of the detail painting sorted out, fire extinguishers, mud flaps etc and gave a few bits a highlight.. (with the wrong type of yellow)  Painted the rubber strips on the back of the tank, some of these were painted over on the real challengers some not, the ones that had been painted were often chipped and showed the black rubber through a lot, gave a quick blacken to the exhausts. more bad highlighting, painted the tools.  Painted the tools on the turret, ammo boxes, GPMG, Barrel, antenna bases, smoke discharger covers etc and cam net in the side bin.  More of the turret, used black thread around the D10 wire spool then super glued it.  Painted the straps and rachettes on the fuel drums, tracks and tools.  bit of rusting to the tools on the front armour.  Once this was all done I gave it a final wash using Greyphone sepia citadel wash, all over and sorted out decals, glossing varnishing the areas they would go on. I then used humbrol decal fix to help put them on. once all this had dried i gave it a quick airbrush of matt varnish and glued on the little crystals that will I am using for the lights. Final brown wash over it all, painted the rubber strips over to look chipped etc.      So that is where I am at today, whilst I wait for the varnish to dry properly Im just working out my next step in weathering it, drybrush it to a slightly lighter sand colour in places, and add some weathering and chips to paint work, some dust and sand, add some antennas, and do the last few details.         need to do something about the yellow highlighting as well.... Steve - I see what you mean about the camera never lies, I'm starting to find it painful to look at some of the photos, to the naked eye it looks ok, in photos it looks like a 5 year old painted it!! Any advice on the best way to weather this or any tips would appreciated! Cookie |
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| copey | May 2 2011, 07:03 AM Post #19 |
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It looks alright, You could try airbrushing tamiya smoke around hatches and panel lines Mark |
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| foxy | May 2 2011, 11:29 AM Post #20 |
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Hi Cookie mate. Looking good, I do the same with photo's, must check them before hand to see the problems, but its a good way of finding faults and problems. Then taking some more for showing .I am visiting Bovington on May the 21st for the IPMS AGM and go there regular each year and as you now know its a great place for pictures of vehicles you want to make, 'mind you', you have to be carefull on the paint job sometimes  .Great to see you visited and have some pictures for reference from the Museum.
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