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Iwata vs Harder & Steenbeck; Choices, choices......
Topic Started: Mar 31 2010, 10:59 PM (13,066 Views)
desmojen
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"I love it like I've never loved any other airbrush" :lol:

Class, I love drewetube, bring it back John!

He's right as well Rich, you know how much I use mine and I strip it to that extent maybe every other month or so. The majority of the time it gets blown through to clear paint and then I leave a bit of cleaner in it until its used again.

Jen.
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heraldcoupe
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Agreed that doesn't look much different to the H&S regarding stripdown, except for removal of the nozzle. I usually drop the nozzle out of my Infinity so the needle can come out the front at the end of a session. This is following some problematic paint (Vallejo white) which gunged everything up, and managed to drag a load of contaminated paint back through the trigger when I took the needle out through the back........

Cheers,
Bill.
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peebeep
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You can remove the needle from the front on the Iwatas if you wish, some people do so habitually in order to avoid paint getting into the rear part of the works. Loosen the nut on the needle chuck, then remove the cap from the front end. Retract the needle sufficiently so that it is clear from the nozzle, then remove the nozzle. The nozzle is an interference fit with the airbrush body and may need to be gripped quite firmly (but carefully) in order to remove it. Once it's free you can then remove the needle from the front. It takes less time to carry out this operation than it did for me to type this post.

peebeep
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Phreak
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Sooooooo ....I'm doing my Iwata homework and need some techno help please :

What's the difference betweeb the HP and Revolution series ?

What's the difference between the HP-C+ and the HP-CS?

Thanks in anticipation.
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peebeep
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Suggest you check out the relevant pages on the Medea website Rich. The HP series has the handle cut out that allows you to release the needle chuck without dismantling. Also it permits you to pre-set the needle or give it a tweak which can be helpful in clearing temporary blockages, although if you're tweaking it frequently it usually means the nozzle needs cleaning.

Revolutions are the entry level series, but by all accounts very good tools.

peebeep
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MikeC
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peebeep
Apr 2 2010, 03:55 PM
You can remove the needle from the front on the Iwatas if you wish, some people do so habitually in order to avoid paint getting into the rear part of the works. Loosen the nut on the needle chuck, then remove the cap from the front end. Retract the needle sufficiently so that it is clear from the nozzle, then remove the nozzle. The nozzle is an interference fit with the airbrush body and may need to be gripped quite firmly (but carefully) in order to remove it. Once it's free you can then remove the needle from the front. It takes less time to carry out this operation than it did for me to type this post.

peebeep

Paul says "some people do so habitually" and I'm one of them: I do exactly what's described. It not only avoids paint in the rear part of the brush, but when you put the needle back from the front there's a greatly reduced risk of damaging the point.
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Phreak
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peebeep
Apr 4 2010, 11:27 PM
Suggest you check out the relevant pages on the Medea website Rich. The HP series has the handle cut out that allows you to release the needle chuck without dismantling. Also it permits you to pre-set the needle or give it a tweak which can be helpful in clearing temporary blockages, although if you're tweaking it frequently it usually means the nozzle needs cleaning.

Revolutions are the entry level series, but by all accounts very good tools.

peebeep

Cheers Pablo, I'll check that out.
HP-CS looking good at the moment.
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peebeep
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Phreak
Apr 5 2010, 10:16 AM
HP-CS looking good at the moment.

That's wot I've got and I'm very happy with it, although if I were to buy another one I'd get a BS (small cup) as I've never filled the cup anywhere near to capacity on my CS.

peebeep
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General Melchett
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Must say I like the H and S Infinity that I got a few months back, the 2 in 1 kit that includes 2 nozzle/needle sets and 2 sized paint cups....it's so easy to strip down and clean ..and no tiny Iwata nozzle to lose..(speaking from bitter experience :wacko: !). I managed to drop the H and S onto a concrete floor the other day whilst cleaning it and bend the screw thread on the end of the nozzle chuck...got in touch with Ian at Everything Airbrush and for the princely sum of £7 plus P and P, had a new part the following day.
Having said that I still like my Micron and HP-C , both great brushes .....I guess at the end of the day it's horses for courses really.

Andy
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Phreak
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Thanks chaps....my brain hurts!
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little-cars
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Hi,

Still having fun I see.

Drop me a PM if I can help.

Paul
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osher
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I tried an H&S, and it's certainly a good machine, easy to clean, etc. My old Iwata HP-C is excellent though, and it's good enough. I am tempted by the H&S though... Just to add something different into the fray, try a Rich AB-200. It's very similar to an Iwata HP-C, but, slightly smaller, and, it combats the one thing that puts many off the HP-C, namely, the weight. Spraying was beautiful, and, the shape of the bowl makes cleaning far far easier than with an Iwata or Badger. Then there's the cost... I paid £30 for mine on ebay (new), but the usual RRP is £55, or around half the HP-C.
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Mike R
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Well I am an official reconvert back to Iwata. I am just not happy with the shoddy performance of the Infinity. I cannot ever get a good spray line out of it and it seems like I am always replacing seals. The whole set up is just far too inconsistent. I gave it two years of use and I think that is plenty of time to be fair to it.

I am about to order a Micron from our own Paul Brickles and will not look back. I had Iwatas forever before and switched to the Infinity at the time as it seemed the "thing to do". I woulodnt waste my money on another H&S airbrush at this point.
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Floyd
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To resurrect a very old and dead thread, but what did you go for in the end? Since it would of been nearly 2 years of owning the new brush, how did it turn out? I am too tempted by both aforementioned airbrush's my only concern with the Itwata is that it does not come with a larger needle, don't get me wrong 0.3mm is ace, and perfect for 1/72, but can you pick up say a 0.6mm nozzle and needle for the large spraying session?


As an afterthought what is the availability of both of these brush's in the states, including spares and what not, I would assume the H&S being German spares and what not would run higher $ over the pond?
Edited by Floyd, Sep 6 2012, 12:32 PM.
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Modeller
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I understand H&S are freely available in the USA from...

http://germanairbrush.com/dealers.html
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peebeep
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I've got 0.35 and 0.5 needles/nozzles for my Iwata Eclipse, but the brush was only supplied with a 0.35. Check with Paul @ Little Cars, he will tell you what needles are available for any given airbrush.

peebeep
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desmojen
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You can get bigger needles for most Iwatas, but you generally need the nozzles, and sometimes the air cap as well. It is quite rare to need anything bigger than 0.3 though, even for bigger jobs.

I am fortunate enough to have two brushes, and to be honest I think this is a better solution than fiddling about changing needles (at least in Iwatas). My 0.5 brush is the Revolution CR, which is an inexpensive brush that performs far beyond what you'd expect given the numbers. The main advantage it has over my 0.3 brush (HP-CH) is that it will spray Alclads and Klear properly, something the 0.3 seems to struggle with a bit.

Jen.
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Drichc
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No contest really Floyd.

I did lots of searching and at the time and a former friend recommended the H&S Infinity. What a beautiful airbrush. Sprayed fantastically for a few months then gradually started to degrade, clogging all the time...... Replaced seals yada yada yada....., all to no avail.

Two years ago I went for a couple of Iwata's (Nige bullied me :adolf: ). NIGHT and DAY. I actually use the Revolution more than the Micron (well neither at the moment, but that's another story). They are more fiddly to clean than the Infinity, but I didn't buy it to clean it, I got it to spray with! Boy do they deliver, in spades.

Don't get me wrong the H&S is nice, but the Iwata's for ME just work. Hmmmmm, come to think of it maybe it should be iWata :wooo: .

If however you want to go the H&S route I have a virtually brand new Infinity with oodles of spares, cups, etc that I could be persuaded to part with at a reasonable price!

Cue Jen and, "I told you so" :D

richc
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Drewe
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Nice to see this one restored! In the intervening time I was bought the H&S Infinity 2-in-1 as a present from my now ex-girlfriend. I used it for a while, but in the end went back to my Iwatas very happily. It just didn't FEEL as nice to use as the Iwata's do. There seems to be much less trigger travel compared to the Iwata, which made it harder to maintain a fine line when freehanding, and it seemed more prone to paint build up on the tip, which can be disastrous if you're finelining! It sprayed larger areas very nicely and the finish was good, and I think it even seemed to cope with the awful Euro-acrylics better than the Iwata's do. But as I steer clear of them for the most part and stick to Japanese prooducts for most of my airbrushing the Iwata is king of the roost.

I just looked at my Drewetube Iwata strip down video and am tempted, with what I know now compared to then in terms of making videos, to remake it and include what I referred to as the "armourers strip" of the brush including trigger and air assemblies. . . any interest?
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cop
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I'm a turn coat. I have to so fully retract my support for the H&S 2 in 1 for the following reasons.

1/ The chrome finish on the body of the brush and the paint wore away. Never had that before on any of my airbrushes. Even an eBay cheapo special!

2/ After about 18 months of medium use it was like Mikes. No matter what I replaced on it, it never performed as well as I wanted. Paint build ups, splattering, clogging etc.

I feared it was an isolated case with my brush, but alas this wasn't the case after speaking to other people. But Sean bought mine from me and he thought it was great. Maybe my expectations were to high.

I now have two Iwata's, a Revolution HP-C and the top of the range Micron CM-C. Both have seen a lot of use and are as good today as the day I bought them. The revolution is great for large areas, as well as medium detail work.

The Micron is just unbelievable. I have never used an airbrush like it. It's like using a pencil, when applying fine lines. Super smooth trigger action and a flawless finish. It oozes quality. But like everything else in this world, quality does come at a cost. Let's just say the Micron isn't cheap.

So to sum up:-

H&S = wankety poo.
Iwata = dogs gonads.

But that's just my opinion and like ass holes everybody has one.

Nige

Who is struggling with an emergency build for SMW. Typical eh! In the emergency services but don't have anything suitable lol.
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